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RU vs SHU - A Look at the Match-Ups

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So ... a big test is coming up on Friday, SHU. SHU will be the best or 2nd best team RU will have faced this year, and along with Miami, will be a much better gauge of what RU will face in the Big Ten - especially the upper half of the Big Ten.

SHU should be, and will be, favored - and probably by double digits ... appropriately so.

To start, I would say that SHU and Miami are roughly equivalent - it is too early to tell which of those 2 teams is better. I would have said that SHU is the better shooting team, and relied more on 3-point shooting than does Miami. But the stats do not actually bear that out. Each team has taken roughly the same number of 3-pointers (though Miami has 2 fewer games), and shot about the same percentage from 3 ... SHU does have a slightly better overall FG percent. But SHU is even a worse FT shooting team than RU is, and Miami is very good at FT's. What I can say about Miami is that they have many more LONG and ATHLETIC athletes than does SHU ... and they play 8 players 9 or more minutes. On the other hand, SHU has the single best player on any of the 3 teams (if you include RU), in Carrington ... and by a reasonable margin ... BUT really only goes 7 players deep.

This last item could help RU: RU goes 9 deep, plus Doorson, who at 6.8 minutes per game, as RU's 10th player, plays about the same (though a fraction more) than Miami's 9th player and SHU's 8th and 9th players. Whether RU can take advantage of that ... well we will know more on Friday.

Player Match-Ups:

PG: Sanders versus Jones (5th year grad transfer): Slight Edge to Sanders. I have seen 2 SHU games, and I am impressed with Jones - he is very good, in my opinion. He may also be a better shooter than Sanders, and does have a better assist to turnover ration against a better schedule. Still, Sanders is a better defender, in my opinion, more athletic and a better rebounder. Sanders also averages more assists per game.

2G: Johnson (who has started the last 2 games) versus Carrington: Large Edge to Carrington. Johnson has been very good for RU - a great addition. He has a terrific assist to turnover ratio and is a terrific defender ... plus averages over 4 rebounds per game. Carrington is an NBA prospect ... need I even say more? Carrington shoots 50% overall FG, which includes 50% from 3-point range (on over 4 3-point attempts per game). Carrington's one hole might be his 61% FT shooting.

WF: Laurent/Thiam versus Desi Rodriguez: Large Edge to Rodriguez. Thiam can shoot the 3, is fundamentally sound, and uses his 6'9" height well on defense, while Laurent is very athletic. Rodriguez is very athletic, 6'6", does NOT shoot well from 3-point range this year - nor from the FT line ... but knows how to SCORE, and is SHU's 2nd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder. Limiting him will take a great effort by Laurent or Thiam, as starters.

PF: Freeman versus Sanogo: Medium Edge to Freeman. Sanogo is taller, longer and may be able to defend Freeman at times (or more than at times). But he is really just a rebounder and defender - but one who does not block a lot of shots (6 in 9 games). Freeman is RU's best or 2nd best player this year, leading scorer and RU's best rebounder, by far ... who also has 15 blocked shots in 12 games. But Freeman is undersized at PF (listed as taller than he is), has had some trouble finishing around the basket, and can also sometimes be a turnover machine. But he is definitely a much better scorer than Sanogo, and a better offensive and regular rebounder.

C: Gettys versus Delagdo: Medium to Large Edge to Delgado. Yes, Gettys is doing well for RU, and is a true space eater, with high basketball IQ, excellent hands, and good post moves. But Delgado is GOOD, and I mean really good ... in my opinion. The ONLY reason I did not give Delagdo a clear "Large Edge" rating is because though Delgado is really good, he is not the true athletic presence that will really give Gettys problems this year (like Miami did), nor does Delgado have the shooting range some of the Miami post players had that forced Gettys out of his comfort zone defensively. But make no mistake, Delagdo is really much better than Gettys. By the way, that does not mean Gettys does not have a chance to limit Delgado and play him closer to even than some might expect. If that happens a lot of good things could happen for RU in this game.

Bench: This is where it gets interesting:

1st Guard: Williams versus Powell. Edge ... EVEN. So ... Powell is rather good, and a dangerous offensive player. He looks to be a slightly better shooter than Williams. But Williams is 2 years older (Junior to Powell's Frosh status), and a better (and more impactful) rebounder. They play very similar roles for RU and SHU this year: Igniter off the bench, They are similarly sized. Powell takes a higher percentage of his shots from 3-point range (and more of them) than does Williams. Williams has a much better assist to turnover ratio.

1st Forward: Sa versus Nzei. Slight Edge to Sa. Nzei is a very efficient scorer, and seems to only take shots nearer the basket. Sa is rawer offensively, but has 3-point range. Neither can shoot FT's. Both are good rebounders. Both are especially good offensive rebounders (23 offensive to 22 defensive for Nzei, 25 offensive to 29 defensive for Sa). They are similarly poor with their assist to turnover ratios. Sa is a little taller, and plays even taller than that, than does Nzei. Nzei has performed to similar level as Sa against better competition. The reason for the slight edge to Sa? Blocked shots ... Sa is a shot blocker, Nzei is not proven to be one. Sa's slightly better rebounding, and same scoring, in fewer minutes is offset by the better competition Nzei has faced. But Sa seems to be a potentially impact shot blocker, while Nzei does not.

Rest of Bench: RU's Thiam or Laurent, Omoruyi and Doorson versus SHU's ... well ... Gordon, Sofer and Carter (Singh was the 8th man, but announced he was transferring - he averaged 9 minutes per game). Large Edge to RU's Bench. [EDIT: Add Jevon Thomas, PG, to SHU's bench ... maybe change edge to Medium to Large Edge to RU's Bench - see post below.] Thiam and Laurent have each been starters - but only 1 will be a starter now, as it appears Johnson has taken over that slot - Laurent averages 16 minutes per game, Thiam averages 19 minutes per game, though in fairness it appears those minutes are declining, depending on the game match-ups. Omoruyi's minutes seem to be rising, and he now averages 9.6 minutes per game. SHU's other reserve players average no more 6 minutes per game, and seem unlikely to ever play more than 8-10 minutes in any game, barring injury or severe foul trouble. SHU's 8th to 10th players basically provide .. nothing ... nothing except bodies (Carter a front court post body, Gordon a guard body and Sofer a wing body). Thiam or Laurent, Omoruyi and Doorson EACH contribute more than the SHU reserve players combined ... not necessarily in EVERY game, but in many games. The odds would suggest, based on their performance on the court, that at least 2 of those 3 players for RU will contribute more than any of the SHU back 3 players.

Overall, the key for RU to be competitive - not necessarily even win (though maybe) would seem to be the following:

1) Keep Carrington, especially, but secondarily, Rodriguez, from going off on a scoring binge on RU. RU's offense is not likely good enough to withstand either of them lighting it up scoring.

2) Gettys/Doorson/Sa limit Delgado's impact, somehow (either Gettys holding more of his own than expected, or getting Delgado into foul trouble, somehow). If Delgado gets into foul trouble, and Gettys does NOT ... that helps RU a HUGE amount. Easier said than done, though.

3) Hitting at least 33% of RU's 3-point attempts. Since SHU seems very likely to get open 3's against RU (does not every RU opponent do this), RU will have to hit some 3's to limit how much SHU might outscore RU from 3-point range.

4) RU's bench out performing SHU's bench: This is the one clear area where RU might have a real advantage.

5) Freeman finishing around the basket, and outperforming Sanogo. If Sanogo holds his own against Freeman, that is a problem for RU.

6) Sanders having a great floor game ... and a good scoring game - in other words outplaying Jones.

7) Johnson playing under control offensively (no stupid outside shots), and making Carrington owrk on defense.

RU does not need ALL of those above items to be competitive. But they might need all of them to win. I would say the 1st 3 or 4 listed keys are the most important. Item #4 (RU's bench) might be able to offset a failure in Item #5 or #7.
 
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Don't forget SH has another pg available for this game and he may be better than Jones, especially defensively. This one probably has edge at even at pg and also adds another contributor off the bench for SH. Nice analysis as always.
 
I've seen SHU 4 times-----very good defensively and their offense kind of comes and goes.

Like most teams when they don't shoot well they're beatable.

I think the key for RU is getting Delgado in foul trouble and hitting 30-40 % from 3.
 
We've been consistently good on defense, so I expect that to continue against SHU. I don't see a high scoring game. My 3 keys come on offense:
1. Finish around the rim
2. Limit turnovers
3. Make FT's
Against inferior opponents, we've been able to get away with those 3 mistakes. That won't happen the rest of the schedule.
 
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Don't forget SH has another pg available for this game and he may be better than Jones, especially defensively. This one probably has edge at even at pg and also adds another contributor off the bench for SH. Nice analysis as always.

Interesting ... I did not really do a deep enough dive to see that.

So ... Thomas would be added to the "bench" analysis, not the PG analysis. Thomas basically replaces Singh, and does mean SHU has an 8th player who is more than a body ... which means it would be Thomas plus the 2-3 bodies versus Laurent/Thiam, Omoruyi and Doorson. I still like RU's bench better.

By the way ... very interesting that RU and SHU each have a guard from that extraordinarily dysfunctional 2014-2015 Kansas State team ... that both Nigel Johnson and Thomas got out of Dodge. Thomas played more minutes than did Johnson, and was a purer PG ... Johnson was easily the more efficient and better scorer, and looked like the better defender. Also ... Johnson was pretty much the same quality player in league play as he was in OOC ... Thomas' performance as a Sophomore dropped off pretty significantly in league play versus OOC play (much worse FG%, 3 point %, fewer points and assists). I infer that Johnson adapted better to the step up in league play competition than did Thomas.
 
I fear our schedule is going to hurt us here. Similar to Miami game I expect there to be an adjustment time playing a high caliber team.

I can see us getting down early while we try to figure it out.
 
I fear our schedule is going to hurt us here. Similar to Miami game I expect there to be an adjustment time playing a high caliber team.

I can see us getting down early while we try to figure it out.

Yeah ... I have to say I am worried about that also.

That is why keeping Carrington and Rodriguez from lighting it up - or a little luck with SHU starting cold from the outside - would be very important to allow RU to be more, rather than less, competitive.

Maybe this is why Johnson is starting? Though apparently Thiam was very sick, otherwise he might have started. Oddly enough, though Johnson is a better defender than Thiam, maybe Thiam's length could bother Carrington on defense. I dunno ... that is why RU is paying Pikiel the big bucks, eh?
 
Yeah ... I have to say I am worried about that also.

That is why keeping Carrington and Rodriguez from lighting it up - or a little luck with SHU starting cold from the outside - would be very important to allow RU to be more, rather than less, competitive.

Maybe this is why Johnson is starting? Though apparently Thiam was very sick, otherwise he might have started. Oddly enough, though Johnson is a better defender than Thiam, maybe Thiam's length could bother Carrington on defense. I dunno ... that is why RU is paying Pikiel the big bucks, eh?

I am guessing it was Thiam being sick...I think we see sanders, johnson, thiam, sanders, gettys.
 
Tell everyone on the RU team to constantly drive at Delgado. Pump fakes, push drives, draw elbow contact. Anything, and everyone.

That is the only way RU beats Seton Hall.


I am not sure if anyone on this team is capable of stopping Delgado. He needs to be limited somehow. And at the end of the game, if he is in, he needs to be fouled.
 
Very good analysis of both teams.This will be a high emotion event which will put added pressure on Rutgers to match baskets at the early stages of the game.Sanders and Johnson must limit turnovers and score in double figures.Freeman ,Gettys and SA must finish around the basket because Rutgers isn't going to have a big rebounding advantage.Delgado and Carrington give Seton Hall a big advantage with two go to scorers .For Rutgers to stay close it will take a collaborative effort on offense and defense along with Seton Hall having a poor shooting performance.
 
Good analysis. I don't expect a win. But after SHU embarrassed Eddie's team by 30+ points at home at the RAC last year, I think this game at the Rock will be a good barometer of how far RU has come under Pike. If RU losed by 30 at the Rock and it will suggest not much has changed other than the softness of RU's OOC schedule. If RU keeps it close and competitive, that will bode well for conference play.
 
Yeah ... I have to say I am worried about that also.

That is why keeping Carrington and Rodriguez from lighting it up - or a little luck with SHU starting cold from the outside - would be very important to allow RU to be more, rather than less, competitive.

Maybe this is why Johnson is starting? Though apparently Thiam was very sick, otherwise he might have started. Oddly enough, though Johnson is a better defender than Thiam, maybe Thiam's length could bother Carrington on defense. I dunno ... that is why RU is paying Pikiel the big bucks, eh?

Johnson's health may also be an issue. He looked pretty hobbled on that ankle at the end of the Fordham game. If he is not 100% that will really hurt RU's chances.
 
Yeah ... I have to say I am worried about that also.

That is why keeping Carrington and Rodriguez from lighting it up - or a little luck with SHU starting cold from the outside - would be very important to allow RU to be more, rather than less, competitive.

Maybe this is why Johnson is starting? Though apparently Thiam was very sick, otherwise he might have started. Oddly enough, though Johnson is a better defender than Thiam, maybe Thiam's length could bother Carrington on defense. I dunno ... that is why RU is paying Pikiel the big bucks, eh?

I don't think we're going to see Thiam in the starting lineup going forward. Not a knock against the kid. He's going to be a very good player for us, but he's clearly not ready for the big boys. Too often he's invisible, especially on the offensive end. Verses Miami, 23 minutes, 0-2 FG, 1 rebound, 0 pts. I fear another stat line like that vs SHU. We keep hearing he can shoot, and he probably can, but we can't have a shooter that doesn't shoot on the floor.
 
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It's refreshing to read Jelly's bball analysis with some optimism again.

Seems like getting SHU into early foul trouble would go a long way in making this one interesting.
 
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Honestly, if we play normal D, share the basketball, and board we're going to be fine.

This game is much different than the Miami game. Miami plays like us but was more athletic and longer at every position. I've watched nearly every SHU game and players with size at their position were most effective in scoring the basketball. They're not that big and when scorers isolate they're vulnerable. I suspect our offensive posessions will look cleaner than against Miami.

That being said advantage SHU. But this game is more winnable than Miami matchups wise.
 
We've been consistently good on defense, so I expect that to continue against SHU. I don't see a high scoring game. My 3 keys come on offense:
1. Finish around the rim
2. Limit turnovers
3. Make FT's
Against inferior opponents, we've been able to get away with those 3 mistakes. That won't happen the rest of the schedule.
Agree with your keys.
 
I think Delgado is going to eat us alive. I'm not saying we can't win, but we need to be good at the other four spots because I don't think we have any chance at handling him barring foul trouble.
 
I fear our schedule is going to hurt us here. Similar to Miami game I expect there to be an adjustment time playing a high caliber team.

I can see us getting down early while we try to figure it out.

This is the key IMO. Keep Seton Hall at bay early and do not allow them a decent lead from the start. Pressure is on the Hall and we need to avoid giving them an early lead of 10 pts or so.
 
So ... a big test is coming up on Friday, SHU. SHU will be the best or 2nd best team RU will have faced this year, and along with Miami, will be a much better gauge of what RU will face in the Big Ten - especially the upper half of the Big Ten.

SHU should be, and will be, favored - and probably by double digits ... appropriately so.

To start, I would say that SHU and Miami are roughly equivalent - it is too early to tell which of those 2 teams is better. I would have said that SHU is the better shooting team, and relied more on 3-point shooting than does Miami. But the stats do not actually bear that out. Each team has taken roughly the same number of 3-pointers (though Miami has 2 fewer games), and shot about the same percentage from 3 ... SHU does have a slightly better overall FG percent. But SHU is even a worse FT shooting team than RU is, and Miami is very good at FT's. What I can say about Miami is that they have many more LONG and ATHLETIC athletes than does SHU ... and they play 8 players 9 or more minutes. On the other hand, SHU has the single best player on any of the 3 teams (if you include RU), in Carrington ... and by a reasonable margin ... BUT really only goes 7 players deep.

This last item could help RU: RU goes 9 deep, plus Doorson, who at 6.8 minutes per game, as RU's 10th player, plays about the same (though a fraction more) than Miami's 9th player and SHU's 8th and 9th players. Whether RU can take advantage of that ... well we will know more on Friday.

Player Match-Ups:

PG: Sanders versus Jones (5th year grad transfer): Slight Edge to Sanders. I have seen 2 SHU games, and I am impressed with Jones - he is very good, in my opinion. He may also be a better shooter than Sanders, and does have a better assist to turnover ration against a better schedule. Still, Sanders is a better defender, in my opinion, more athletic and a better rebounder. Sanders also averages more assists per game.

2G: Johnson (who has started the last 2 games) versus Carrington: Large Edge to Carrington. Johnson has been very good for RU - a great addition. He has a terrific assist to turnover ratio and is a terrific defender ... plus averages over 4 rebounds per game. Carrington is an NBA prospect ... need I even say more? Carrington shoots 50% overall FG, which includes 50% from 3-point range (on over 4 3-point attempts per game). Carrington's one hole might be his 61% FT shooting.

WF: Laurent/Thiam versus Desi Rodriguez: Large Edge to Rodriguez. Thiam can shoot the 3, is fundamentally sound, and uses his 6'9" height well on defense, while Laurent is very athletic. Rodriguez is very athletic, 6'6", does NOT shoot well from 3-point range this year - nor from the FT line ... but knows how to SCORE, and is SHU's 2nd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder. Limiting him will take a great effort by Laurent or Thiam, as starters.

PF: Freeman versus Sanogo: Medium Edge to Freeman. Sanogo is taller, longer and may be able to defend Freeman at times (or more than at times). But he is really just a rebounder and defender - but one who does not block a lot of shots (6 in 9 games). Freeman is RU's best or 2nd best player this year, leading scorer and RU's best rebounder, by far ... who also has 15 blocked shots in 12 games. But Freeman is undersized at PF (listed as taller than he is), has had some trouble finishing around the basket, and can also sometimes be a turnover machine. But he is definitely a much better scorer than Sanogo, and a better offensive and regular rebounder.

C: Gettys versus Delagdo: Medium to Large Edge to Delgado. Yes, Gettys is doing well for RU, and is a true space eater, with high basketball IQ, excellent hands, and good post moves. But Delgado is GOOD, and I mean really good ... in my opinion. The ONLY reason I did not give Delagdo a clear "Large Edge" rating is because though Delgado is really good, he is not the true athletic presence that will really give Gettys problems this year (like Miami did), nor does Delgado have the shooting range some of the Miami post players had that forced Gettys out of his comfort zone defensively. But make no mistake, Delagdo is really much better than Gettys. By the way, that does not mean Gettys does not have a chance to limit Delgado and play him closer to even than some might expect. If that happens a lot of good things could happen for RU in this game.

Bench: This is where it gets interesting:

1st Guard: Williams versus Powell. Edge ... EVEN. So ... Powell is rather good, and a dangerous offensive player. He looks to be a slightly better shooter than Williams. But Williams is 2 years older (Junior to Powell's Frosh status), and a better (and more impactful) rebounder. They play very similar roles for RU and SHU this year: Igniter off the bench, They are similarly sized. Powell takes a higher percentage of his shots from 3-point range (and more of them) than does Williams. Williams has a much better assist to turnover ratio.

1st Forward: Sa versus Nzei. Slight Edge to Sa. Nzei is a very efficient scorer, and seems to only take shots nearer the basket. Sa is rawer offensively, but has 3-point range. Neither can shoot FT's. Both are good rebounders. Both are especially good offensive rebounders (23 offensive to 22 defensive for Nzei, 25 offensive to 29 defensive for Sa). They are similarly poor with their assist to turnover ratios. Sa is a little taller, and plays even taller than that, than does Nzei. Nzei has performed to similar level as Sa against better competition. The reason for the slight edge to Sa? Blocked shots ... Sa is a shot blocker, Nzei is not proven to be one. Sa's slightly better rebounding, and same scoring, in fewer minutes is offset by the better competition Nzei has faced. But Sa seems to be a potentially impact shot blocker, while Nzei does not.

Rest of Bench: RU's Thiam or Laurent, Omoruyi and Doorson versus SHU's ... well ... Gordon, Sofer and Carter (Singh was the 8th man, but announced he was transferring - he averaged 9 minutes per game). Large Edge to RU's Bench. [EDIT: Add Jevon Thomas, PG, to SHU's bench ... maybe change edge to Medium to Large Edge to RU's Bench - see post below.] Thiam and Laurent have each been starters - but only 1 will be a starter now, as it appears Johnson has taken over that slot - Laurent averages 16 minutes per game, Thiam averages 19 minutes per game, though in fairness it appears those minutes are declining, depending on the game match-ups. Omoruyi's minutes seem to be rising, and he now averages 9.6 minutes per game. SHU's other reserve players average no more 6 minutes per game, and seem unlikely to ever play more than 8-10 minutes in any game, barring injury or severe foul trouble. SHU's 8th to 10th players basically provide .. nothing ... nothing except bodies (Carter a front court post body, Gordon a guard body and Sofer a wing body). Thiam or Laurent, Omoruyi and Doorson EACH contribute more than the SHU reserve players combined ... not necessarily in EVERY game, but in many games. The odds would suggest, based on their performance on the court, that at least 2 of those 3 players for RU will contribute more than any of the SHU back 3 players.

Overall, the key for RU to be competitive - not necessarily even win (though maybe) would seem to be the following:

1) Keep Carrington, especially, but secondarily, Rodriguez, from going off on a scoring binge on RU. RU's offense is not likely good enough to withstand either of them lighting it up scoring.

2) Gettys/Doorson/Sa limit Delgado's impact, somehow (either Gettys holding more of his own than expected, or getting Delgado into foul trouble, somehow). If Delgado gets into foul trouble, and Gettys does NOT ... that helps RU a HUGE amount. Easier said than done, though.

3) Hitting at least 33% of RU's 3-point attempts. Since SHU seems very likely to get open 3's against RU (does not every RU opponent do this), RU will have to hit some 3's to limit how much SHU might outscore RU from 3-point range.

4) RU's bench out performing SHU's bench: This is the one clear area where RU might have a real advantage.

5) Freeman finishing around the basket, and outperforming Sanogo. If Sanogo holds his own against Freeman, that is a problem for RU.

6) Sanders having a great floor game ... and a good scoring game - in other words outplaying Jones.

7) Johnson playing under control offensively (no stupid outside shots), and making Carrington owrk on defense.

RU does not need ALL of those above items to be competitive. But they might need all of them to win. I would say the 1st 3 or 4 listed keys are the most important. Item #4 (RU's bench) might be able to offset a failure in Item #5 or #7.
Pretty fair on the starters. As I don't know your bench, I didn't got that far. But if Mike Williams is playing as well as Myles Powell, he has really improved. Powell is real good, could definitely make noise this year as a starter.

You need to slow it down and be physical inside. If you really give up lots of threes, that could be tough, as Carrington and Powell are very good from three. Desi was good last year but hasn't been good so far. We are not deep in the front court. Nzei is the only real dependable sub (he got a double double last year vs you guys as Sanogo was hurt. But we are deep this year at guard. Gordon can play though his time has been limited. and with Thomas coming back, I expect to se us play three guard and extend the pressure more often.

With your new coach, I am sure we see a different team than the last two games. With these games, if both teams are at least decent, who knows what will happen. As I said the other day, I hope we hold serve. (I will forever believe you missed it with Waters, he was gonna turn the corner.)
 
8) Monitor Laurents minutes. If the coach does not see what he wants out of him early, put in Omoyuri. Omoyuri looks comfortable handling the ball on the break, hits the boards seemingly, and gives great effort. Him and Desi Rod would be a good match up.
 
Coach pretty much has to tell every kid on the team to take drives at Delgado. Again, again, and again.

Him playing 24 minutes is what wins the game.
 
I think Delgado is going to eat us alive. I'm not saying we can't win, but we need to be good at the other four spots because I don't think we have any chance at handling him barring foul trouble.

While you could be correct, I think Carrington is the bigger problem - and the far worse match-up. Sanders and Johnson are each too short to properly defend Carrington. Thiam is taller than Carrington - but realtively inexperienced. Though I think Thiam makes a great effort on defense, he has not had to defend someone of Carrington's caliber, and I have no idea how he would do. Williams is a little more physical, and a bit taller, than Johnson, so he might be able to cover Carrington - but Carrington is so good, in my opinion.

Delgado IS very good, and he might dominate. But at least this year RU has big bodies to throw at him: Gettys and Doorson are strong and tall. Sa is tall and athletic. That is 3 bodies RU can rotate on Delgado - and all can potentially box out and keep Delgado's rebounding at bay - or maybe they can.
 
While you could be correct, I think Carrington is the bigger problem - and the far worse match-up. Sanders and Johnson are each too short to properly defend Carrington. Thiam is taller than Carrington - but realtively inexperienced. Though I think Thiam makes a great effort on defense, he has not had to defend someone of Carrington's caliber, and I have no idea how he would do. Williams is a little more physical, and a bit taller, than Johnson, so he might be able to cover Carrington - but Carrington is so good, in my opinion.

Delgado IS very good, and he might dominate. But at least this year RU has big bodies to throw at him: Gettys and Doorson are strong and tall. Sa is tall and athletic. That is 3 bodies RU can rotate on Delgado - and all can potentially box out and keep Delgado's rebounding at bay - or maybe they can.

Take Delgado out from Seton Hall-they win 2-3 games

Take Carrington out from Seton Hall-they win 5-6 games.

If Carrington tries to take over the game by himself- they will lose. I have seen Seton Hall go street ball mode, and they are a bad team because of it. When they play together-a top 25 team.

Carrington is a great player, and that adjective does not get used often. But still, Delgado runs the show right now. I like either Mike Williams, or Sanders on Carrington.
 
Pretty fair on the starters. As I don't know your bench, I didn't got that far. But if Mike Williams is playing as well as Myles Powell, he has really improved. Powell is real good, could definitely make noise this year as a starter.

You need to slow it down and be physical inside. If you really give up lots of threes, that could be tough, as Carrington and Powell are very good from three. Desi was good last year but hasn't been good so far. We are not deep in the front court. Nzei is the only real dependable sub (he got a double double last year vs you guys as Sanogo was hurt. But we are deep this year at guard. Gordon can play though his time has been limited. and with Thomas coming back, I expect to se us play three guard and extend the pressure more often.

With your new coach, I am sure we see a different team than the last two games. With these games, if both teams are at least decent, who knows what will happen. As I said the other day, I hope we hold serve. (I will forever believe you missed it with Waters, he was gonna turn the corner.)

Williams and Powell are averaging the same points per game, both off the bench. Williams HAS improved a lot. He is shooting 36% from 3, but way better from 2 than that. He is hitting his mid-range shots, and is driving to the basket and scoring on fast breaks. Powell is much more of a spot-up 3 point shooter than Williams at this stage ... but he is only a freshman. Williams is a better defender, stronger, and a better rebounder. Powell looks like a better shooter.

If SHU hits a decent amount of 3's, and for a good percentage, RU will have a real problem: RU just does not have the offensive firepower to outscore a good team who is hitting 3's (or we have not yet seen it this year, against pretty weak competition). And RU has had issues with closing out defending the 3. So RU probably would need SHU to have a slightly off outside shooting night.

If RU can get Delgado off the court with foul trouble, SHU might have a problem, since Gettys is a decent low post offensive threat who is huge ... Delgado has the strength and defensive skills to defend Gettys (and maybe easily, for all I know). But Gettys might just be able to overpower Nzei. Nzei's performance against RU last year is irrelevant ... RU's front court is a totally different beast this season: Freeman, RU's best player - and best front court player by a large margin - was hurt the game before and was unable to play. Lewis was playing on one leg, could not practice, and generally limited to 15-20 minutes per game. DJ Foreman was the only other player over 6'6 on the team - and Laurent was the only player other than Lewis and Foreman who was even taller than 6'4". This year RU has 7'0" 280 pound Gettys, 6'11" 260 pound Doorson, 6'9" Sa, 6'9" Thiam (though he is a guard, or maybe WF), 6.7" (though that is his listed height - he is probably no more than 6'6") Freeman and 2 6'6" WF in Laurent and Omoruyi (and Omoruyi can cover some PF's as he is very physically strong).

In other words: After Freeman was hurt, RU had 1 6'9" center on 1 leg, 1 6'8" PF who was mediocre, 1 6'6" WF forced to play PF and Center and several players at 6'4" or shorter. THIS year RU has 4 players 6'9" or taller and TWO 6'6" players whop generally play WF. It is just a totally different beast up front.
 
Take Delgado out from Seton Hall-they win 2-3 games

Take Carrington out from Seton Hall-they win 5-6 games.

If Carrington tries to take over the game by himself- they will lose. I have seen Seton Hall go street ball mode, and they are a bad team because of it. When they play together-a top 25 team.

Carrington is a great player, and that adjective does not get used often. But still, Delgado runs the show right now. I like either Mike Williams, or Sanders on Carrington.

I think you and I may both be correct.

Your correct thoughts: BY THEMSELVES, Delgado is more important to SHU's success than is Carrington. I can buy into that. Part of that is because SHU has a thin frontcourt, and an enormous drop off to the next best inside player compared to Delagdo: No SHU player can replicate Degado's contributions.

My correct thoughts: RU might have a better chance to corral Delgado, having 3 big bodies to alternate throwing at him: Gettys, Doorson and Sa.

I would also say that it is almost certainly easier for Carrington to play as part of a "playing together" team when Delgado is in the game, and playing well.

My fear is that Carrington and/or Rodriguez just goes off on RU shooting-wise - and they might get the chance, because RU has shown a weakness in closing out defending 3's, while RU has done better with interior defense than perimeter defense. And RU would have a great difficulty creating enough offense to offset a raining down of 3's.
 
I think you and I may both be correct.

Your correct thoughts: BY THEMSELVES, Delgado is more important to SHU's success than is Carrington. I can buy into that. Part of that is because SHU has a thin frontcourt, and an enormous drop off to the next best inside player compared to Delagdo: No SHU player can replicate Degado's contributions.

My correct thoughts: RU might have a better chance to corral Delgado, having 3 big bodies to alternate throwing at him: Gettys, Doorson and Sa.

I would also say that it is almost certainly easier for Carrington to play as part of a "playing together" team when Delgado is in the game, and playing well.

My fear is that Carrington and/or Rodriguez just goes off on RU shooting-wise - and they might get the chance, because RU has shown a weakness in closing out defending 3's, while RU has done better with interior defense than perimeter defense. And RU would have a great difficulty creating enough offense to offset a raining down of 3's.

Definitely. They do have an issue covering the 3. Rodriguez is not a great great shooter, so I would think it'd be more Powell and Carrington.

Its going to be such an interesting game.
 
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8) Monitor Laurents minutes. If the coach does not see what he wants out of him early, put in Omoyuri. Omoyuri looks comfortable handling the ball on the break, hits the boards seemingly, and gives great effort. Him and Desi Rod would be a good match up.

Omoyuri has been great on the boards, with assists, and on defense... but he really needs to reduce the number of fouls and start hitting shots more consistently. When he turns the corner on that - consistently putting the ball in the basket, and establishing better body control, he is going to be really good. Hopefully Friday's the night!
 
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Omoyuri has been great on the boards, with assists, and on defense... but he really needs to reduce the number of fouls and start hitting shots more consistently. When he turns the corner on that - consistently putting the ball in the basket, and establishing better body control, he is going to be really good. Hopefully Friday's the night!

For sure. Still, Laurent is not giving a ton either, but he can hang with the people at this level. He showed willingness to defend, which is big.

I just like Omoyuri showing a willingness on the boards, which I think is huge for the team at the moment. Plus, I liked his awareness on the court.
 
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My concern about this game is that with Rutgers substitution patterns there could be five players on the court at certain times with few offensive threats.
 
Last year's game was like a freshman team vs. a varsity team. It made me leave the RAC swearing never to go to another RU game until Jordan was gone - which I followed through on. Complete humiliation.

We now have a real coach, better players, and Seton Hall is a notch below last year's version. This time, however, the game is on their floor. I expect us to lose by about 15. We've only played one tough team this year but all we can do is win the games that are scheduled - which we have done, except for Miami. I'm not one for moral victories, but if we keep in to single digits, I'd be impressed.
 
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Question to all but would like to hear Jelly's response. In comparing SH to Miami who do you think is the better all aroun team? I will make an assumption that most will feel they are pretty equal. That said after watching the Miami game - if memory serves me - we fell behind fairly quickly and pretty much played them fairly even for more than a half. If we can get off to a good start and keep the defensive pressure up we will not only be in the game but we will have a chance to win
 
Question to all but would like to hear Jelly's response. In comparing SH to Miami who do you think is the better all aroun team? I will make an assumption that most will feel they are pretty equal. That said after watching the Miami game - if memory serves me - we fell behind fairly quickly and pretty much played them fairly even for more than a half. If we can get off to a good start and keep the defensive pressure up we will not only be in the game but we will have a chance to win

I dunno ... they are really different as teams.

Miami hit their 1st 3 3's, early in the game, to start the game, and maybe 4 of thir 1st 5 or 6 3-point attempts. And Miami completely controlled the rebounding early (I do not think RU got a single offensive rebound in the 1st 10 minutes of the game). RU then ratcheted up their effort and defensive pressure, forced some Miami turnovers, started to get offensive rebounds (Sa was key here), and Miami started missing 3's ... and RU clawed back by halftime. But RU hit a huge drought to start the 2nd half, keyed by a combination of Miami's length and quickness on defense, and RU's offensive woes (which included Gettys drawing 2 quick fouls in the 1st half, and a quick foul in the 2nd half - he could not move laterally quick enough against Miami's athletes). Before you could blink, it seemed, RU was down more than 20 points, maybe 8 minutes into the 2nd half.

Carrington and Delgado are really good ... and might be better than anyone Miami has. But Miami has a lot of depth, has quicker guards, and their front court is deep, very athletic, and has great length ...plus several of their tall players can shoot from the outside. SHU does not have great front court depth, nor great shooting from their front court ... but again, they have Delgado and Carrington.

My hunch says RU matches up a little better against SHU, and has a better chance to be competitive against SHU than it did against Miami. But should SHU be hot from 3 (a distinct possibility), RU will have a problem, and the game could get away from the competitiveness I hope for.
 
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I dunno ... they are really different as teams.

Miami hit their 1st 3 3's, early in the game, to start the game, and maybe 4 of thir 1st 5 or 6 3-point attempts. And Miami completely controlled the rebounding early (I do not think RU got a single offensive rebound in the 1st 10 minutes of the game). RU then ratcheted up their effort and defensive pressure, forced some Miami turnovers, started to get offensive rebounds (Sa was key here), and Miami started missing 3's ... and RU clawed back by halftime. But RU hit a huge drought to start the 2nd half, keyed by a combination of Miami's length and quickness on defense, and RU's offensive woes (which included Gettys drawing 2 quick fouls in the 1st half, and a quick foul in the 2nd half - he could not move laterally quick enough against Miami's athletes). Before you could blink, it seemed, RU was down more than 20 points, maybe 8 minutes into the 2nd half.

Carrington and Delgado are really good ... and might be better than anyone Miami has. But Miami has a lot of depth, has quicker guards, and their front court is deep, very athletic, and has great length ...plus several of their tall players can shoot from the outside. SHU does not have great front court depth, nor great shooting from their front court ... but again, they have Delgado and Carrington.

My hunch says RU matches up a little better against SHU, and has a better chance to be competitive against SHU than it did against Miami. But should SHU be hot from 3 (a distinct possibility), RU will have a problem, and the game could get away from the competitiveness I hope for.
Thanx for the reply
 
If I was coaching this game whoever is covering Carrington and Powell would not be allowed to help out on D. They would have to stay with their man and not give up open three point shots. If Desi beats us from 3 so be it, but you can't let the other two do it. Just can't. They are not that big so our interior should be able to guard them without help. Just foul Delgado instead.
 
Ball has been in Powell's hands a lot in last ten minutes of their last two big games ,vs Florida and Iowa. He will take the big shots.
 
When it's close we can play hack a delgado and Diallo might see first real action of the year. (Solely to foul)
 
Ball has been in Powell's hands a lot in last ten minutes of their last two big games ,vs Florida and Iowa. He will take the big shots.
Desi hit the shot vs sc, angel against cal. Those two and Carrington will be first options. Whoever has the best matchup of those three gets the ball imo.
 
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