RU vs SHU - A Look at the Match-Ups
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My concern is if the Hall gets the open 3's and nails them and we go into a scoring drought; we might be behind by too much to come back. We went into that drought against Miami. Seton Hall has better shooters but we better rebound off their misses. This will be a challenging game against a talented team who has played a tougher schedule and they have the home court which tends to get loud. It will be a war zone so our guards have to be focused and ready to deal with the adversity. This is as tough as most any Big 10 game with the exception of maybe Wisconsin who is better than anyone in our league.
So ... Carino's article was mostly fine and reasonable, including his projection.
I do have one MAJOR problem with his article, which is his characterization of the 2 benches. He states SHU has TWO impact bench players while RU has just ONE ... while acknowledging RU plays 10 players while SHU essentially only plays 7. And because of that characterization he gives SHU the bench edge.
That characterization on the 2 benches is ridiculously ignorant and wrong. Carono completely leaves out Sa. Sa has the same ppg, and slightly better rpg, in fewer minutes per game, as does Nzei. How is that not as impact a player as is Nzei? And he basically ignores Thiam (if Laurent and Johnson start) - who is averaging 19 minutes per game, though if not starting probably averages 10 to 12 minutes. And Doorson, who averages 9 to 10 minutes per game. And Omoruyi, who is finding an ever greater role and averages 9 to 10 minutes. It id as if those last 3 AND Sa, do not really count. SHU literally have no subs beyond Powell and Nzei who have show any ability to really contribute more than a body for 2-3 minutes at a time ... though the now availanle PG transfer will help them, essentially replacing the eecently departed Singh.
I think you're comparing Nzei and Sa by circumstance. If Nzei was on Rutgers, he'd be starting and putting up much loftier statistics,and probably leading Rutgers in shots blocked. As it is, he's got to fight for minutes, and is not considered one of Seton Hall's top four offensive options, ever. But he would be there. It's all a matter of context.
He has to fight for minutes, but is getting 20.1/game.... while Sa is getting 18.6. Even if you take away the offensive numbers, Sa has more rebounds, blocks, and assists in less time.
Right, but my point is that Seton Hall has guys who are grabbing those rebounds and blocking those shots, even when Nzei is in.
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That is not really that correct.
SHU has Delgado and Sanago who start. And Nzei off the bench. That is it for SHU post players. When Nzei comes in he subs for either Sanago or Delgado. He does not "lose" chances for rebounds because ONE of Delgado or Sanago is still in the game.
Also, it is not clear to me at all, despite your prior post, that if RU had Nzei that Nzei would be starting ... or getting bundles more points or rebounds. I am pretty sure both Gettys and Freeman would still be starting. Greeman, despite being a little undersized, is way better than Nzei ... otherwise Nzei would be starting over Sanago.
Plus, Sa can shoot the 3 point shot, and drive to the basket. Nzei has no 3 point shot, and i am not sure his offensive game other than that is even better than Sa's offensive game not including Sa's 3's.
Nzei did have a good game last year against RU: double double. But that means nothing. Freeman was hurt. Lewis could only play 20 min per game since he was only playing on 1 leg. Other than Lewis, RU had just Foreman, a 6'6" WF Laurent forced to play PF and a 6'4" 2G forced to play some PF. Hardly much of a test for Nzei.
That is not really that correct.
SHU has Delgado and Sanago who start. And Nzei off the bench. That is it for SHU post players. When Nzei comes in he subs for either Sanago or Delgado. He does not "lose" chances for rebounds because ONE of Delgado or Sanago is still in the game.
Also, it is not clear to me at all, despite your prior post, that if RU had Nzei that Nzei would be starting ... or getting bundles more points or rebounds. I am pretty sure both Gettys and Freeman would still be starting. Greeman, despite being a little undersized, is way better than Nzei ... otherwise Nzei would be starting over Sanago.
Plus, Sa can shoot the 3 point shot, and drive to the basket. Nzei has no 3 point shot, and i am not sure his offensive game other than that is even better than Sa's offensive game not including Sa's 3's.
Nzei did have a good game last year against RU: double double. But that means nothing. Freeman was hurt. Lewis could only play 20 min per game since he was only playing on 1 leg. Other than Lewis, RU had just Foreman, a 6'6" WF Laurent forced to play PF and a 6'4" 2G forced to play some PF. Hardly much of a test for Nzei.
Well, we'll see how they both fare on Friday, I guess. Hard to compare stats at this point in the season, as our SoS is so different.
It doesn't really look like you have much of a shot blocker on the team - at least none that's emerged so far. Nzei leads the team with 0.7/game, along with Sanogo... and Carrington is 3rd with 0.4/game.
Will be interesting to see how well we rebound against you guys, especially on the offensive glass. I have to imagine that part of Pike's strategy will be a lot of early driving at Delgado to try to get him in foul trouble.
Has SHU run into any games where depth has become a concern because a couple of the starters picked up some quick fouls?
I assume this is accurate also, getting Sanders, Nigel and maybe even Laurent to the rim. May see some forced drives and blocked shots trying to get those fouls.
They have nothing off the bench in frontcourt.
I have to think this will be part of the strategy. Hopefully Delgado/Nzei will also get a few over-the back calls, too, with Gettys/Doorson having both size and position on them.
Sanders and Johnson are very fast off the dribble, and will very likely be looking to penetrate and pick up fouls. Even if we aren't hitting from the line, just getting SHU into the bonus in the first half may pay dividends later as starters have to spend time on the bench.
I could see Delgado getting Gettys into early foul trouble.
Delgardo, Carrington and Desi are very good players and they have been through the wars and rigors of the Big East.
It's a steep challenge for RU but St John's was a 14 point dog in Syrapuke last night and they won by over 30 points.
It's why they play the games.
Delgardo, Carrington and Desi are very good players and they have been through the wars and rigors of the Big East.
It's a steep challenge for RU but St John's was a 14 point dog in Syrapuke last night and they won by over 30 points.
It's why they play the games.
--Limiting TOs was my first thought. Sanders cannot throw lazy passes any longer.
--Making our FTs will keep this game under 10 and possibly an RU win, but without them we will lose by 12 or more.
--Freeman making his underneath shots will be huge. I expect SHU to block the right-side baseline to keep him from sneaking in for quick buckets. Sa finishing underneath is going to be critical in this game and conference play.
--Making our 3s.
Good analysis, @jellyman.
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I personally think that our best player to defend Delgado is Sa. Then when delgado goes out for a blow and nzei comes in then you put in gettys and give sa a blow. Make delgado run with sa too and have to cover him outside to tire him out. I think we can have a mix of freeman, eugene and laurent on desi. I would love to see mike and corey switch back and forth on kadeem/powell. Powell can really light it up once he gets going and kadeem plays out of control alot which i could see him doing against corey because corey can really be a nag sometimes on the defensive end of the ball.
This. Our front court concerns me the most. Not just vs SHU, but going forward into the B1G. Can Gettys stay out of foul trouble given his lack of quickness vs more athletic/skilled big men? It certainly was a problem vs. Miami. Freeman at the 4 is undersized, and does not have a back to the basket game. This wouldn't necessarily be a problem, except for the fact that he goes to the post game WAY too much.
The most interesting matchup will be Carrington vs Williams, ex-HS teammates. I expect them to be matched up all of Williams 25 minutes or so that he plays this game.
I expect Seton Hall to go a lot of 3 guards with the recent loss of two forwards.
Williams is a tough defender and knows his game. May just turn out to be the key to the game.
I expect Seton Hall to go a lot of 3 guards with the recent loss of two forwards.
Williams is a tough defender and knows his game. May just turn out to be the key to the game.
