I only said the bold. What are you even talking about?
It's also important to note that each coach before Jordan brought in OK rated classes. I admit overall recruiting is definitely lacking but context never hurts.
Rutgers Approves Construction of Athletic Practice Facility. Cost $115M?
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I only said the bold. What are you even talking about?
It's also important to note that each coach before Jordan brought in OK rated classes. I admit overall recruiting is definitely lacking but context never hurts.
Why the school never calls out them on their shit is beyond me. It's a proven lie and they know it...so call them out on it.
I agree with this. Sportswriters or any media who get facts wrong in Nebraska are immediately called out and made to retract their statements. Most have gone to using "opinion" writing so they can hide behind that. There are media folks everywhere that want to use the shock headlines or skirt the truth to keep clicks and readers.
First of all you wrote the following...
that this message board is not to the place to "advocate for what you think is best for the university" to ACTUALLY achieve your "goal" by way of a material result.
So when I hear people continuing to advocate that the Build campaign has been the most successful campaign in the history of Rutgers Athletics it makes me embarrassed. While this is true for Rutgers standards these results from an overall amount and participation level are piss poor for amy major P5 University, especially one in the situation of joining a new conference and about to get a serious money from doing so. We need facilities now to compete in the future and 99.8% of all alumni don't give a damn. By you and others spouting that its the most successful campaign only makes you feel better, it doesn't change the results and it doesn't make Hobbs feel better. He will have to beg again and again until we get there taking a much longer time than expected.
As far as other recruiting classes, Rice had one highly ranked class. It was highly ranked because it had seven marginal recruits. I hope the math wasn't too complicated. Waters the same thing with his FIGG class. The idiot got Rosario and Ech. but couldn't keep them. Neither proved to be a superstar after their transfer.
Last good recruiting relative to our conference was 30+ years ago.
While it would be nice to have a sparkling new bball arena, there are a number of other sports priorities that also need to be addressed for which a bball practice facility was one.
New Yankee Stadium and Metlife are poster child examples of sterile, bland, brand new stadiums.
Yup. The amenities at Yankee Stadium, and the lack of lines at the bathrooms, are fantastic, but that's about it IMHO.
Met life is designed to keep the fans in their seats watching the game as opposed to other places where they want you to treat it as an amusement park instead of a sporting event.
I personally like Metlife for that reason. I'm there for sports not to sit at a bar and watch the game on a TV in the same building the field is in
I don't know. Is your contact certain?
Yup. On the flip side, Citi Field is fantastic.
Even as a Phils fan, I must say...Citi Field is gorgeous. Classic, old school ballpark feel.
I have no reason to doubt him but I'm not sure, quite honestly the numbers makes sense when you look at them in comparison to what has already been built on campus. And if he is wrong then I want to have some justifcation as to why a single 125,000 square foot facility cost almost $1000 a square foot to build.
That makes me definitely want to go. I understand Citi Field is patterned after Ebbets Field. (I hope I don't have to explain to anyone what Ebbets Field was!) I rather like Citizens Bank Park -- it is certainly nicer than Veteran Stadium -- but there's certainly no classic feel to it.
I've been to Lincoln Financial Field in Philly -- saw the Rutgers-Temple game there some years ago. (I can't remember the year, but in the first half Temple dominated and then Rutgers blew them away in the second half). I thought it had good sight lines and was a pretty good place to watch a football game.
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My goal is to go to PNC Park for the Phils-Pirates series. Outside of San Fran, Pirates ballpark in Pittsburgh is my favorite in all of baseball.
The pimple on the back of my neck is nicer the the old vet :)
Bob Uecker once jokingly said a fan fell off of the 700 level of the Vet. The Phils fans there promptly booed him.
Now that the practice facility is being built, which is absolutely a positive development, I think the #1 priority (by far) should be building a new RAC or at the very least making significant upgrades. We have a better chance to succeed in the near future in men's basketball than football, which was unthinkable a few short years ago. Coach Pikiell needs all the tools he can get for recruiting. Anyone who thinks having an old, substandard arena doesn't harm recruiting is kidding themselves. Imagine a high school basketball player visiting Rutgers and Maryland...which Big Ten school do you think they'll choose?
Either way, I applaud the new practice facility. It's a step in the right direction for sure.
There are hundreds of old substandard arena's on college campuses that nobody wants to touch for historic reasons. I really think the look of the building has nothing to do with the atmosphere they see inside if it. Outside of the classroom,The practice facility is where the kids will spend the vast majority of their time. That is what you need to impress the kids.
It's so interesting to me that the state of Pennsylvania subsidized both PNC Park and Citizens Bank, and PNC park seems much more attractive. Is it true that PNC is nice in part because of its downtown location?
There are a few other sports that need upgrades before we do a new RAC; just my opinion. Also need to start selling out existing facility first.
Think I was once at the 700 level with friends for a day game. It was OK, but one of my friends told me it was simply unendurable for an Eagles game.
Basically in layman's terms, yes...that's precisely why. Original plan was to have CBP just outside of Rittenhouse Square but obviously that did not come to fruition. If it did I believe the Phils would have one of the nicest parks in the majors.
It's hard to think that a Phillies stadium could be in the ultra-expensive area near Rittenhouse Square. I believe the major proposals were for a stadium on the Schukyll River near the University of Pennsylvania (Doug Glanville, while at Penn, wrote a senior thesis on how this could be done) or for one just north of Vine Street, near where the Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News then had its building. But the Phillies decided to play it safe, and go to South Philly within blocks of the old Vet.
Maybe that's where I was confusing it with...possibly just east of UCity across the river from 30th Street, Drexel and Penn. Phils would've had a dynamite park if it was on the Schuykill instead of boring old South Philly.
Yes, that was the Schuykill location I was talking about. It would have been quite an engineering feat, apparently, and would have taken a lot of negotiation with the holders of the rights to the old railroad tracks that are there. And I think a lot of infrastructure would have been needed.
We don't need a new RAC .. the inside of the arena is really cool looking and unique. It has the ability to become very loud in there which is exactly what you want in an arena. It is about to get a new court, so you can't complain about the actual playing surface. Not enough practice space? We are building a brand new practice facility. Other sports use the batting cages too much? Not anymore, they built their own bubble and are out of the RAC. Old locker rooms? The locker rooms were literally just re-done halfway through this past season along with the offices and lounge space. State-of-the-art. The weight room is too old? It's actually gutted right now and being completely re-done to be state-of-the-art. SO, new court, new practice facility, new weight room, new locker room, not to mention new video board, new banner boards, new painted walls on the concourse... all the new rooms/facility spaces are less than 6 months old or not finished yet. So tell me again, why exactly do we "need" a new arena "so badly" ???
Yeah...places like....California. The notion that you "can't imagine" something isn't that hard a sell.
The Mara's wouldn't build a stadium with a retractable roof.
The NFL is on control of the roof on game day, not the home team/owners.
The NFL would close it most of the time while the Mara's know the weather advantage during the playoffs.
The Mara's chose correctly. Domes are for candy asses.
That retractable in Green Bay and New England, Chicago and Philly are doing great or in Cleveland right on the lake
Well, yes and no. California has a very difficult process to get a project approved -- their Environmental Quality Act means that it takes a lot to get a permit. But the political culture there means there are no bribes to pay and no no-show jobs. And although there are unions to deal with in California, they tend to be less uncooperative than here.
Why? If it looks like shit on a rendering, it will look even worse once the money is gone and that monstrosity is there.
I don't believe that is true anymore. The home team makes the decision for all preseason, regular season, wild card playoff and division playoff games. The league controls the roof for conference championship games and super bowls. The Giants were foolish not putting a retractable roof on that stadium. Lost a lot of business they could've had throughout the year.
The rule I linked is still in effect.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...can-open-or-close-roof-of-stadium/#31508101=0
Agreed. But the extended argument that the kind of corruption that is rampant in New Jersey is unique requires only a review of Enron and the California Power Authority or worse yet, the $5M purchase of Gov Gray Davis in 1998/99 in support of SB 400 which effectively cost the State of California $241B .... decades of near catastrophic fiscal burden.
This is such a typical reaction from a Rutgers fan. A great thing met by b*tching and moaning. Pathetic.
Al,
every program in America is unique in their own way. Each has built-in advantages and disadvantages that it has to play the right way.
We are in NEW JERSEY, usa. And with that blessing (I do consider it a blessing), we know this:
bad: Facilities are more expensive to build here than anywhere else
and
good: we are the only d1 program in a state that has the 12th most fertile recruiting ground in America. Most other top states have about 3 programs sharing the talent.
Use your advantages - we have the best recruiting ground in America if cultivated the right way. So the answer to - which came first, the player or the facility? The answer for Rutgers is : the Player.
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I hear you.. but we're on a thread talking about how the University approved over 100 freakin million dollars on athletic facilities spending. Doesn't that deserve your applause ? The athletic department, school and even the state are doing their thing to help.
This is a much more unified effort than we ever give ourselves credit for.
RuinFloida,
you really don't think you can see a cool set-up where we have the sparkling new practice facility along with the classic, old-school game day arena? (the one that has been known to be one of the most difficult places to play in America...)
The most important facilities to have for a basketball player are the practice facilities. Go state of the art with practice and then give the players an old-school building to play games in - thats what basketball players want. They dream of hitting shots in raucous gyms where the bleachers are bouncing.
The RAC can be painted or whatever (even grey for all I care), but the inside should be preserved as much as possible.
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No, I can't. Sorry. The RAC has served its purpose and I will have a lot of fond memories of going to games there (as I'm sure you will, too), but it's time to move on. We're in the Big Ten now.
you're trying to play catch up to programs with a huge head start in the facilities race. The best way for us to dominate the BiG is by making them play OUR game.
Old school court, crazy fans, talented northeast players. Not many of our rivals can provide that. We are the perfect basketball school - a large Big Ten university and a private school name in the most talented part of the country.
I desperately want you to be right about this. Go RU!
Hey Mets fans, see that game tonight? GO FISH!
