Not unique in that. It would be nice if we could be unique in being more judicious but pretty much everyone is a lemming.
Wonder if having to allocate money to paying players may lead to more fiscal responsibility but I won’t hold my breath.
Football Rutgers inks Kirk Ciarrocca to extension through 2027 season
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Wonder if having to allocate money to paying players may lead to more fiscal responsibility but I won’t hold my breath.
If the D play better, it would be 9 wins. I’m not saying it’s justified. But the offense did make a big jump this year and made it more watchable.
after a season that is well below expectations, he gets a $500k raise. Must be nice.
Hobbs extensions of Schiano (who no one else wants) and Pike (who people probably wanted 2-3 years ago) into the 2030s is going to kill the athletic department.
Hobbs is a cancer to RU.
Hobbs extensions of Schiano (who no one else wants) and Pike (who people probably wanted 2-3 years ago) into the 2030s is going to kill the athletic department.
Hobbs is a cancer to RU.
As far as Kirk goes, his slate is fairly clean there. He didn’t recruit GW in the first place and it’s not like Gavin worked out at UK under another coach. Not looking like it mattered who developed him. AK has looked good under Kirk’s leadership.
I think it’s too high, but to be fair it was the defense not the offense that underperformed.
Wow, you people are something else . Best offense in years . Best season ever in our BIG history. Not sure what you want from Rutgers
And it wasn’t exactly the Offense that was the reason for that…now was it?
Did we not see a dramatic overall improvement on that side of the ball?
Some of you people are flat out miserable
Pretty sure our offense was responsible for some of this. We lost to nebby bc of the offense - not the defense. We did not adapt the offense at all after the first 3 weeks of the season. If our offense moved the ball better before the second break, we’d not only put up more points but would have put less stress on the defense.
If you’re ok with the ceiling being making a bowl game, good for you and Captain Kirk. Schiano/kirk are not going to get anything of note accomplished here. And we’re stuck for the next 5 years. But maybe you’ll be able to go to the Dukes mayo bowl at some point. Totally worth it.
I understand thinking $500k is too high. I don’t understand anyone being pissed in general about the raise and extension. Very clear year over year improvements to the offense.
You know your grasping when you have to focus on a game played in a wind storm where the final was 14-7 game in favor of the home team as your example. No team would’ve put up good offensive numbers that day.
By all counts our offense was drastically improved this past season. The data in nearly every statistical category supports this assessment.
I don’t know. Fiscal responsibility?
I believe he was already still under contract for two more years.
And while yes the offense improved, we weren’t a top offense in the country.
Which is what we see now paying for.
OC KC will be a Top 10 assistant in the country and Top 5 OC.
Are we going to be a Top 5 offense?
People complain “Rutgers has no mmmey and is cheap. Stop expecting so much from HC Schiano. He’s still being paid as a mid-tier Big Ten HC.”
Well that goes out the window.
OC KC better be ready to produce great results next yearz
At $1.9 million, Ciarrocca’s salary would be tied for the 10th-highest salary among college football assistant coaches and third-highest among offensive coordinators last season, per USA Today’s database.
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Rutgers football: Key assistant coach among highest-paid in country after latest extension
Rutgers is made one of its key assistants one of the highest paid in the sport.
No one is arguing that the offense wasn’t improved over the prior year. Kind of hard to be worse when the prior year we were 10th from dead last in total offense, right?
I don’t think the level of offense warrants a $2mm OC.
The highest paid OC this past year was chip Kelley at $2.0mm.
The original contract for 1.5 baked in assuming we get significant improvement. We had a middle of the pack offense this year (great relative to our abysmal 23). Does that mean we pay the guy like he’s chip friggin Kelly?
The level of acceptance for mediocracy here is astounding. Chris Ash really did a number on us. I’ll chalk up the acceptance for paying top dollar for a middle of the pack offense as Ash-holm syndrome.
But I'm sure the defense was responsible for the Illinois, Kansas State, and UCLA games. See, it goes both ways, more so the defense underperformed this year.
It depends on what a school wants in a HC. He's well respected, he can coach, he's reliable, he's not a wild card. He's a stable choice with connections.
I said it before in another post: It's about context. Sometimes you have to overpay to retain someone who has shown the ability to improve the team. Your success is usually built around continuity. There is always someone out there willing to overpay for what he did with your program. If you don't make it difficult for another school to pay for his services, there is a chance you are hitting the reset button every year. Also, if you're in the big boy league you have to start acting like it. Can't be cheap when it suits you.
I agree with this in principle. I would argue though 1.5 for an OC that has turned us into an average offense is not being cheap - very far from it.
Does that go both ways?
If OC KC wants a big boy salary he needs to produce big boy results.
2024 PPG: 28.3 (#55)
2025 should be around 37ppg? Maybe more?
That would only be Top 5 which is still low for a Top 3 OC salary.
spot on plus greg wants him to be here to work with surace for a few years after Athan leaves . need that continuity as well and perhaps surace and his father were looking for assurances that kirk would be here 😉
Maybe he’s maxing out the talent he is given and not many OC’s would do better with this talent? So we are paying for those results
From April 2024
$1.85 million: Andy Ludwig, Utah
$1.75 million: Garrett Riley, Clemson
$1.65 million: Charlie Weis, Jr., Ole Miss
$1.6 million: Andy Kotelnicki, Penn State
$1.5 million: Kirby Moore, Missouri; Bobby Petrino, Arkansas
$1.4 million: Mike Bobo, Georgia; Kirk Ciarrocca, Rutgers: $1.4 million; Marcus Satterfield, Nebraska; Will Stein, Oregon: $1.4 million
$1.3 million: Nick Sheridan, Alabama
$1.325 million: Kyle Flood, Texas
$1.25 million: Alex Atkins, Florida State; Bush Hamdan, Kentucky; Phil Longo, Wisconsin
$1.1 million: Tim Lester, Iowa; Chip Lindsey, North Carolina; Brian Lindgren, Michigan State; Seth Littrell, Oklahoma*
$1 million: Rob Sale, Florida*
$950,000: Kirk Campbell, Michigan; Josh Gattis, Maryland; Cortez Hankton, LSU*; Graham Harrell, Purdue; Joe Sloan*, LSU
$900,000: Kasey Dunn, Oklahoma State; Joe Jon Finley, Oklahoma*
$875,000: Tyler Bowen, Virginia Tech; Des Kitchings, Virginia
$850,000: Robert Anae, NC State; Zach Kittley, Texas Tech
$825,000: Barry Lunney, Jr., Illinois
$800,000: Jeff Grimes, Kansas; Derrick Nix, Auburn; Mike Shanahan, Indiana; Pat Shurmur, Colorado; Glenn Thomas, Nebraska*
$750,000: Kevin Barbay, Houston; Buster Faulkner, Georgia Tech
$745,000: Ben Arbuckle, Washington State
$725,000: Ryan Gunderson, Oregon State
$700,000: Brian Brohm, Louisville; Brad Glenn, Cincinnati
$600,000: Greg Harbaugh, Jr., Minnesota*; Matt Simon, Minnesota*
$550,000: Eric Bieniemy, UCLA; Mike Bloesch, Cal; Russ Callaway, Florida*
The highest paid offensive coordinators in college football: 2024 edition
We update our survey of assistant coaching salaries across major college football each spring, because each spring it requires updating.- Zach Barnett
- Apr 5, 2024
$1.85 million: Andy Ludwig, Utah
$1.75 million: Garrett Riley, Clemson
$1.65 million: Charlie Weis, Jr., Ole Miss
$1.6 million: Andy Kotelnicki, Penn State
$1.5 million: Kirby Moore, Missouri; Bobby Petrino, Arkansas
$1.4 million: Mike Bobo, Georgia; Kirk Ciarrocca, Rutgers: $1.4 million; Marcus Satterfield, Nebraska; Will Stein, Oregon: $1.4 million
$1.3 million: Nick Sheridan, Alabama
$1.325 million: Kyle Flood, Texas
$1.25 million: Alex Atkins, Florida State; Bush Hamdan, Kentucky; Phil Longo, Wisconsin
$1.1 million: Tim Lester, Iowa; Chip Lindsey, North Carolina; Brian Lindgren, Michigan State; Seth Littrell, Oklahoma*
$1 million: Rob Sale, Florida*
$950,000: Kirk Campbell, Michigan; Josh Gattis, Maryland; Cortez Hankton, LSU*; Graham Harrell, Purdue; Joe Sloan*, LSU
$900,000: Kasey Dunn, Oklahoma State; Joe Jon Finley, Oklahoma*
$875,000: Tyler Bowen, Virginia Tech; Des Kitchings, Virginia
$850,000: Robert Anae, NC State; Zach Kittley, Texas Tech
$825,000: Barry Lunney, Jr., Illinois
$800,000: Jeff Grimes, Kansas; Derrick Nix, Auburn; Mike Shanahan, Indiana; Pat Shurmur, Colorado; Glenn Thomas, Nebraska*
$750,000: Kevin Barbay, Houston; Buster Faulkner, Georgia Tech
$745,000: Ben Arbuckle, Washington State
$725,000: Ryan Gunderson, Oregon State
$700,000: Brian Brohm, Louisville; Brad Glenn, Cincinnati
$600,000: Greg Harbaugh, Jr., Minnesota*; Matt Simon, Minnesota*
$550,000: Eric Bieniemy, UCLA; Mike Bloesch, Cal; Russ Callaway, Florida*
I think most people look at it hard numbers and think that's the answer to how successful or unsuccessful the offense was in 2024. Add context and how other schools poach coaches the same way they poach players and you may see things a different. Other schools may not have a high opinion of Rutgers but they see a huge improvement from one year to the next, it catches their eyes. Just because your opinion of the OC (scarlet glasses) may differ greatly from the outside world, doesn't mean everyone should have that same mindset. I speak with friends in the coaching field and they hold the staff in high regards. To see this type of improvement leaves a great impression. The OC has some suitors out there more so than what is publicly known.
RU offense was best after KM went out and RU had to go more than 3 pages into playbook
2 mil for Siamese mesh and handful of sideline passes isn't top shelf for me
RU Offense in 2024 :
Total Offense = 71st
Pass Offense = 92nd
Run Offense = 45th
Red Zone Conversion = 68th
2 mil for Siamese mesh and handful of sideline passes isn't top shelf for me
RU Offense in 2024 :
Total Offense = 71st
Pass Offense = 92nd
Run Offense = 45th
Red Zone Conversion = 68th
Those stats jump off the page to me. Kirk was being rewarded with his previous contract to keep him interested and develop the offense. In my opinion he was still growing into that salary. There was no need to increase his pay and extend at this point.
He is solid with his play calls between the 30’s. Okay with with our backs against the goal line and outright horrific in the red zone.
RU grappling with the consequences of a horrific extension for the BB coach decides to solve the issue by extending and overpaying a football coach. RU is so good at bidding against itself.
My opinion - a lot of RUs progress was developing a viable OL.
From what I understand from GS, KC helped hide OL weaknesses (long pass blocking in 23).
But OL coach seems to be glossed over quite a bit
I mean the guy won 2 Super Bowls and had RU OL wearing teams out by 4th last year.
I was surprised to see top B1G teams gassed in 4th last year.
Of course overall run game was key but It wasn't that long ago that Pacheco could barely get over the LOS
I saw that the gov and the other top 11 state execs get 175k each.
KC will be making as much as all of them together pretty much
Those Siamese hand-off meshes don't come cheap
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You nailed it , the key word in all this CONTINUITY. Sciano is busy successfully rebuilding the program, but since this is Rutgers with a disadvantage in resources, its going to take longer than other programs. The next 3 years are crucial in maintaining our upward trajectory and it is the coaches who are rebuilding Rutgers with excellent recruiting skills/potral talent/ and player development. Schiano is our General but he cannot do it alone, he needs his lieutenants. WE lost our excellent DC -(and maybe some of his recruits he was working on)-and this probably spooked Schiano. He needs Caoches he trusts that are willing to work with him and put in the insane hours. He may have had to overpay to keep the OC but thats fine. We cant go back to a new OC every year, that would greatly impede our reconstruction and recruiting. KC did a great job this year with a competent quaterback and next year might be better if we get a decent left tackle. Rutgers is in the shipyard, Ash left us as a tugboat, Schiano and current staff needs to keep building and we need some continuity of staff to do that.
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Exactly right people forget the turnstile at OC here at Rutgers Think it was 11 OCs in 11 seasons . How fun was that and then some of you wonder why we can’t get good QBs here . Well in order to attract and keep a good QB maybe we need a good , proven long term OC . Another year showing Athans improvement and effectiveness under Kirk and hopefully full blown development of our local kid Surace. We need to keep the OC in place . Even if it means paying a little bit.
I think $500 was too high but “well below expectations”?
And while I think Greg has limitations- there is one thing he will do- he will actually keep us relevant. He may not get to the promise land but he took us from a bottom 5 P4 program to a mid B1G program.
That actually secures us athletically.
Greg will build a program capable of being a playoff team.
But , in my opinion,it will take a better game-day HC to get Rutgers there.
Right now , as I see it ,Schiano is the type of HC the RU FB program needs, in a couple of years RU will need a doer
because the" builder" has done all he could do by building the type of program that is capable of being a playoff contender under a good game-day HC.
Rutgers might be overpaying GS & KC with he extensions they received> I look on that as RU willing to pay a bit more than they should for past accomplishments as a way to invest in and for the future of the football program.
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gef usually has some good insight, so that's good to hear, but in the limited spring game time he seemed small and less athletic than expected. The concern was not results, but physicality to play at this level, which hopefully he has.
