Selection Committee and Rutgers news

[RU848789]

I don't think it'll matter much, but I do think it could be a tiebreaker if we're essentially tied in the eyes of the committe with some other team on the bubble. The committee obviously will know how that game was stolen from RU and I think would give us the nod if there's a tie situation. Same thing if we're tied for the last 10 seed for example with some other team - I think this "loss" would get us the nod. But I don't think it gets us in over some team that they think is slightly better than us without factoring in the OSU game.

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Been saying this could help us slightly since the day it happened (at least a tiebreaker and as I said later, perhaps would move us 1-2 spots), as per my post above. Good to see it confirmed. It was always an absolute travesty and has fueled my thinking for months and especially the past few games that all we needed to do was get to 10-10 in the conference and we'd likely get in (possibly in Dayton, but in). I still believe that and this gives me a little bit more comfort in that belief. Hopefully we also get a little credit for the Temple loss being without 2 starters.

Of course, there was always the caveat that getting in would be a lot more likely if there weren't a bunch of bid stealers and we're off to a good start there with CoC and Oral Roberts winning their tourneys (OR ain't gonna lose up 30) and no chance of a theft in the WCC. Sure the bigger conferences all have chance of bid stealers, so we'll have to wait to see on that count. And, of course, beating UM eliminates any chance of us being left out, so that would be a much better way to get in.

 

[RU848789]

wow....

I apologize for my snarky comments for anyone who said it would matter.

Gladly wrong.

You and bac both owe me on this one, lol. It's all good, lol.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Did I say we have no chance with a loss? Please quote if I did.

You said very unlikely we get in with a loss.

Very unlikely we get in with a loss Thursday. Just be aware.

From there to definitively locked in from a bubble win.

 

[mikemarc1]

You said very unlikely we get in with a loss.


From there to definitively locked in from a bubble win.

Ok. But you said I said absolutely no chance. Please stop exaggerating.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Ok. But you said I said absolutely no chance. Please stop exaggerating.

It was like 4 pages ago. Until you requested it, I didn’t go and actually pull your exact quote. Saying “be aware, it’s very unlikely” isn’t that far removed from having no chance. That was my memory of your comment. And I didn’t use the word “absolutely” by the way. Just pointing out that you added it in there for emphasis - not me.

The point is regardless it’s a massive swing in view based on one single game over a team that may not even make the field.

 

[mikemarc1]

It was like 4 pages ago. Until you requested it, I didn’t go and actually pull your exact quote. Saying “be aware, it’s very unlikely” isn’t that far removed from having no chance. That was my memory of your comment. The point is regardless it’s a massive swing in view based on one single game over a team that may not even make the field.

I’m not the only one with this thinking…so it’s not as far fetched as you seem to think.

But again this is silly going back and forth: let’s jusr agree to disagree,

 

[Morrischiano]

Regardless, if we lose Thursday, we will be a 18 win team that will have lost SEVEN OF ITS LAST NINE GAMES.

Footnote us as 18.5 win team, but we will be bumped by bid stealers out of Dayton.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Sure thing. I’m not telling anyone they’re right or wrong…I’m the only one being told I’m “wrong”

It’s not that common but happens from time to time - I seem to remember a missed goal tend call once making the news but can’t remember which team.

This is a bizarre situation because of when it happened in the game. For pretty much any other error, it’s chalked up to calls being missed all the time and this one simply standing out because it was missed at the end of the game. The special consideration setting this case apart is that because of how little time was left, it’s hard to attribute Mag’s decision to back off to anything other than being acutely aware that the guy who shot the game winner couldn’t become eligible to catch a pass until after time expired. There wasn’t enough time to get 2 passes in.

 

[RU848789]

It’s not that common but happens from time to time - I seem to remember a missed goal tend call once making the news but can’t remember which team.

This is a bizarre situation because of when it happened in the game. For pretty much any other error, it’s chalked up to calls being missed all the time and this one simply standing out because it was missed at the end of the game. The special consideration setting this case apart is that because of how little time was left, it’s hard to attribute Mag’s decision to back off to anything other than being acutely aware that the guy who shot the game winner couldn’t become eligible to catch a pass until after time expired. There wasn’t enough time to get 2 passes in.

Exactly. This was a missed violation that the refs should have seen and called and the game would've been over, but unfortunately it wasn't reviewable (it will be next year). This was not a missed judgment call, like a foul or OOB/goaltending call, which happen all the time - this was a once in many years egregious miss and needs to be considered, as it now will be. Given where we are right now, barring a bunch of bid stealers, I think this locks us up for Dayton should we lose against UM and it is immaterial if we beat UM to get in (not Dayton) w/o OSU game "help."

 

[NJTurnpike]

Imagine being pathetic enough to think like this.

What’s “pathetic” is how you respond to all my posts while also harassing other posters and trying to tell them what they can and can’t say. The funny part is how you’ve been completely incorrect about almost everything.

The only positive about watching this team collapse has been seeing you and a few other posters who try to shout others down get proven wrong in spectacular fashion. Have a nice day!

 

[fluoxetine]

What’s “pathetic” is how you respond to all my posts while also harassing other posters and trying to tell them what they can and can’t say. The funny part is how you’ve been completely incorrect about almost everything.

The only positive about watching this team collapse has been seeing you and a few other posters who try to shout others down get proven wrong in spectacular fashion. Have a nice day!

Imagine being pathetic enough to get banned hundreds of times from a sports message board.

 

[NJTurnpike]

Imagine being pathetic enough to get banned hundreds of times from a sports message board.

My or anyone else’s posting history is none of your business. Instead of attacking people who prove you wrong, maybe try watching some more college basketball. You clearly have a lot to learn.

 

[fluoxetine]

My or anyone else’s posting history is none of your business. Instead of attacking people who prove you wrong, maybe try watching some more college basketball. You clearly have a lot to learn.

You are a disturbed individual. I eagerly await your 1,000th account after this one eats the same inevitable ban that the last 998 did.

 

[Upstream]

Which troll did NJTurnpike used to be?

 

[fluoxetine]

Which troll did NJTurnpike used to be?

All of them. He's had a shitload of accounts.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

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This is simply to blunt the criticism that we were robbed if left out.
At this point our team play is the reason a bid is in danger. Not the OSU loss. This is the least of our problems.

There are a bunch of teams right now playing far better and more deserving. I would bet privately Pike would say the same.

Play like you belong there, and you will be in. Or don't. Coaches and fans can't play the games. Put your big boy pants on and make it happen.

Success or failure is up to the guys on the court. Time to step up.

 

[bac2therac]

Jerry Palm said he contacted the NCAA and the rep said that this assertion about a note or consideration is not true

 

[Plum Street]

Jerry Palm said he contacted the NCAA and the rep said that this assertion about a note or consideration is not true

Then that means we are out :(

 

[bac2therac]

would have liked a beat writer of RU to actually reach out and clarify...not sure why are guys are not well in tune, remember they all got scooped on Mike Rice so their national reach apparently isnt too hot

 

[mikemarc1]

Then that means we are out :(

lol. No it doesn’t

 

[Mr Magoo]

Jerry Palm said he contacted the NCAA and the rep said that this assertion about a note or consideration is not true

He probably burned the note. We seem to live rent-free in his head for some reason.

 

[mildone]

Again, I agree to disagree. Don’t think it’s a big deal. Win Thursday. That’s it

Why stop with winning today? Win the tournament. That simplifies everything.

 

[Plum Street]

Why stop with winning today? Win the tournament. That simplifies everything.

Because we probably won’t win

 

[mildone]

Maybe this news gives some the team some life Thursday

The team had life in the last game. And in pretty much all the games this season. The effort level was always there.

What they didn't have, in most losses, was shooting accuracy.

 

[Plum Street]

The team had life in the last game. And in pretty much all the games this season. The effort level was always there.

What they didn't have, in most losses, was shooting accuracy.

Maybe this news gives them shooting accuracy ??

 

[bac2therac]

He probably burned the note. We seem to live rent-free in his head for some reason.

well he reference RU fan sites so he is well aware of us

 

[mildone]

Trolls call out posters personally and that’s what they get a kick out of….

You just continually are throwing wild claims..thats trolling

No, you're both incorrect. People are forever confusing regular internet posting with trolling.

Trolls post solely to disrupt and produce emotional responses. They have no particular interest in the forum, the subject matter, or the people participating.

Trolling doesn't have to be personal at all and often isn't, at least initially. Trolls usually start out by aiming at the entire universe of possible respondents with a post or two. After someone in that universe actually responds (gets hooked by the troll), then they become more personal. But they still remain disinterested in the person or subject matter - they're just interested in having a fish on the hook to play with.

And trolls can use lots of different types of posts, including some in which they make no claims whatsoever, wild or otherwise. Also, it's entirely possible to make what some consider wild claims without engaging in trolling.

Neither of you are trolling here. You're just having a plain old dispute.

 

[mikemarc1]

No, you're both incorrect. People are forever confusing regular internet posting with trolling.

Trolls post solely to disrupt and produce emotional responses. They have no particular interest in the forum, the subject matter, or the people participating.

Trolling doesn't have to be personal at all and often isn't, at least initially. Trolls usually start out by aiming at the entire universe of possible respondents with a post or two. After someone in that universe actually responds (gets hooked by the troll), then they become more personal. But they still remain disinterested in the person or subject matter - they're just interested in having a fish on the hook to play with.

And trolls can use lots of different types of posts, including some in which they make no claims whatsoever, wild or otherwise. Also, it's entirely possible to make what some consider wild claims without engaging in trolling.

Neither of you are trolling here. You're just having a plain old dispute.

Thanks. Never trying to troll anyone. Ever.

 

[mildone]

Maybe this news gives them shooting accuracy ??

The best thing to do for shooting accuracy is to do nothing whatsoever. Don't practice shooting any more than usual. Don't review video of shooting form. Don't even think about it at all in any way.

The team-wide shooting issues are probably a combination of things, right? Some of the more obvious include:

• Not having a ton of pure shooters.
• Other teams working really hard to be all over our few pure shooters, forcing non-shooters to do more shooting.
• Missing a super fit starter in Mag forcing other players to play extra minutes increasing their fatigue which always affects motor skills.
• Mounting pressure as the season draws to a close making each miss feel more substantial than it really is. A negative feedback loop.

Plus other stuff. But the number one thing is confidence. And due to some recent losses, the players confidence appears to be really suffering right now.

Added pressure results in added fatigue which combines with lack of confidence to create a rotten situation.

The more relaxed and positive the team is, and the better they can maintain that throughout the ups and downs of the game, the better they'll shoot. We hope for the best and let's see what happens.

 

[ru66]

Jerry Palm said he contacted the NCAA and the rep said that this assertion about a note or consideration is not true

Didn't certain RU insiders say they spoke to insiders saying the opposite? What gives?

 

[SBP]

The best thing to do for shooting accuracy is to do nothing whatsoever. Don't practice shooting any more than usual. Don't review video of shooting form. Don't even think about it at all in any way.

The team-wide shooting issues are probably a combination of things, right? Some of the more obvious include:

• Not having a ton of pure shooters.
• Other teams working really hard to be all over our few pure shooters, forcing non-shooters to do more shooting.
• Missing a super fit starter in Mag forcing other players to play extra minutes increasing their fatigue which always affects motor skills.
• Mounting pressure as the season draws to a close making each miss feel more substantial than it really is. A negative feedback loop.

Plus other stuff. But the number one thing is confidence. And due to some recent losses, the players confidence appears to be really suffering right now.

Added pressure results in added fatigue which combines with lack of confidence to create a rotten situation.

The more relaxed and positive the team is, and the better they can maintain that throughout the ups and downs of the game, the better they'll shoot. We hope for the best and let's see what happens.

Post of the season

 

[SBP]

Didn't certain RU insiders say they spoke to insiders saying the opposite? What gives?

You think they would tell Greasy Palm and the 5 fingers even if it WAS true?!

 

[bac2therac]

Didn't certain RU insiders say they spoke to insiders saying the opposite? What gives?

well we do not know exactly who they spoke to and who they spoke to spoke to

 

[mildone]

Because we probably won’t win

Screw probabilities. Either we win or not.

 

[mildone]

Thanks. Never trying to troll anyone. Ever.

I know.

That's more something I might do, although I'm not (usually) trying to be mean to anybody when I do it like some folks are (e.g. the weather-thread mean-girls clique).

 

[Scangg]

Wrong

They get a team sheet

There are not notes on how a game went down

Its likely many never knew about it

One common misconception is people thinking the committee knows the ins and outs of the entire season for every team

Ok cool. But 99% on here didn't believe that. So now it's been confirmed, we're allowed to be happy about it.

Not true. Many posters including myself have been saying Rutgers is in with a win

The fact that this has been called out seems like a pretty big deal to me. If it’s enough is debatable but certainly helps. Arguing otherwise is illogical imo.

It can only be a positive. The only argument is how much of a factor it actually is

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

The best thing to do for shooting accuracy is to do nothing whatsoever. Don't practice shooting any more than usual. Don't review video of shooting form. Don't even think about it at all in any way.

The team-wide shooting issues are probably a combination of things, right? Some of the more obvious include:

• Not having a ton of pure shooters.
• Other teams working really hard to be all over our few pure shooters, forcing non-shooters to do more shooting.
• Missing a super fit starter in Mag forcing other players to play extra minutes increasing their fatigue which always affects motor skills.
• Mounting pressure as the season draws to a close making each miss feel more substantial than it really is. A negative feedback loop.

Plus other stuff. But the number one thing is confidence. And due to some recent losses, the players confidence appears to be really suffering right now.

Added pressure results in added fatigue which combines with lack of confidence to create a rotten situation.

The more relaxed and positive the team is, and the better they can maintain that throughout the ups and downs of the game, the better they'll shoot. We hope for the best and let's see what happens.

I always stressed as a coach to remember it's a game, and it's fun. Enjoy every second you are out there. Beside God given talent (obviously), the biggest reason the best ARE the best, is that they love playing the game.
There is no stress when you're loving every mnute of it.

Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you. Just keep on chopping.