Against other bubble teams it hopefully has that effect.
Selection Committee and Rutgers news
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This is significant because it will actually be noted on the team sheets. Before, we were all just hoping they knew about it.
Can't believe people are arguing that this doesn't matter.
Can't believe people are arguing that this doesn't matter.
Efficiency wise taking one shot off the books from Ohio St would not drop them, the win to a loss maybe a place or two to a NET 41 team, Ohio St wouldn't be close to dropping near 75 at 63 right now.
Their 3s go from
206-576 35.8% to
205-575 35.6%
Minimal change in overall FG% and EFG% as well.
and 3 less points in a 31 game season wouldn't move their Margin of Victory.
Maybe the win % change only.
For us, it would be big,
The OSU*- 6-5 4-4 2-3 7-0
No OSU*- 5-6 4-4 2-3 7-0
Even after a Michigan loss, the committee seeing 6-5 4-5 2-3 7-0 is a major difference in resume possibly backdooring into the first four than 5-6 4-5 2-3 7-0, especially if Mich St stays above 30 and Wisconsin gets to and Seton Hall stays above 75 could improve things.
*** Actually a neutral loss to 54 Michigan could end up being a Q1 loss,
6-6 4-4 2-3 7-0 if Michigan finishes above 50 ***
Still would be 11 seed or play in worthy
Might even be better if we beat Michigan and lose to Purdue, Michigan St above 30, and Wisc, SHU above 75, only 2 wins could drop from Q1 to Q2 is Maryland 26 and Indiana 29, no other win can fall.
Things are definitely falling our way for once with this news.
Their 3s go from
206-576 35.8% to
205-575 35.6%
Minimal change in overall FG% and EFG% as well.
and 3 less points in a 31 game season wouldn't move their Margin of Victory.
Maybe the win % change only.
For us, it would be big,
The OSU*- 6-5 4-4 2-3 7-0
No OSU*- 5-6 4-4 2-3 7-0
Even after a Michigan loss, the committee seeing 6-5 4-5 2-3 7-0 is a major difference in resume possibly backdooring into the first four than 5-6 4-5 2-3 7-0, especially if Mich St stays above 30 and Wisconsin gets to and Seton Hall stays above 75 could improve things.
*** Actually a neutral loss to 54 Michigan could end up being a Q1 loss,
6-6 4-4 2-3 7-0 if Michigan finishes above 50 ***
Still would be 11 seed or play in worthy
Might even be better if we beat Michigan and lose to Purdue, Michigan St above 30, and Wisc, SHU above 75, only 2 wins could drop from Q1 to Q2 is Maryland 26 and Indiana 29, no other win can fall.
Things are definitely falling our way for once with this news.
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Beat Michigan and we won't be in Dayton
Lose to Michigan and this might get us into Dayton
Lose to Michigan and this might get us into Dayton
You're playing semantics rather than considering context. Yes, they blow a lot of calls that impact games, and in .00001% of them the conference makes a statement about one. Why do you think they're even talking/tweeting about it today? We all know it wasn't recorded as a win for us, but there was a reason the B1G made the statement they did. It wasn't just for additional press, and it may be relevant in the subjective considerations of the committee.
Cause a reporter likely emailed a member of the committee…asking about the OSU game.
It’s definitely relevant as I’ve said. They know what happened. They’ve always took it into account.
But where we stand yesterday vs where we stand today…in bracketology. In committees eyes. Didn’t impact it very much, imo
In the event of a loss with UM, It's going to be a consideration to be pushed on or off the bubble and that's huge
Sure. But it was ALWAYS a consideration. That’s my point. Todays news makes no impact. There should be zero difference beatween bracketologists view if us from yesterday to today
So far I haven't seen this leak anywhere outside of this board. Not much of a leakj
It wasn’t a leak. Lol. People aren’t familiar with terms
We are talking about potentially a loss to a win in the committees eyes
5-6 4-4, Q1/2 9-10, 2-3, Q1/2/3. 11-13
To
6-5 4-4, Q1/2 10-9, 2-3, Q1/2/3 12-12
If neutral 54 Michigan loss, maybe Q1 loss
Q1 loss 6-6 4-4 2-3 or Q2 loss 6-5 4-5 2-3
Q1/2 10-10 Q1/2/3 12-13 would still be considered for 11 seed/first 4
Neutral win UM, Purdue loss
6-6 5-4 2-3, 11-10, 13-13
5-6 4-4, Q1/2 9-10, 2-3, Q1/2/3. 11-13
To
6-5 4-4, Q1/2 10-9, 2-3, Q1/2/3 12-12
If neutral 54 Michigan loss, maybe Q1 loss
Q1 loss 6-6 4-4 2-3 or Q2 loss 6-5 4-5 2-3
Q1/2 10-10 Q1/2/3 12-13 would still be considered for 11 seed/first 4
Neutral win UM, Purdue loss
6-6 5-4 2-3, 11-10, 13-13
Wachtel still has RU out with a loss to Michigan. Did I miss something bc this news seems to be a non-factor (and still quite ambiguous).
Some people think it’s a huge factor. Others see it as a non factor.
no it wasnt..there is space for notes on a team sheet. This is actually proof its going to be mentioned
"If this was a high Q1 win or even a win over a tourney team, I think it would help. The fact that it’s against a team no where near the tourney really shouldn’t have any impact on them getting in or not."
This is a silly thing to say. IF we are only considering games against tourney teams, can we ignore Minny and Nebraska?
It was. Committes take EVERYTHING to account. This isn’t news.
Again , agree to disagree on the significance of this
The 6 teams that won @ 16-15 Texas Tech NET 55, 15 Q1/2 losses,
The 5 teams that won @ 16-15 Florida NET 60, 14 Q1/2 losses,
The 6 teams that won @ 13-18 Ohio St. NET 63, 16 Q1/2 losses,
The 7 teams that won @ 15-16 Oklahoma NET 65, 16 Q1/2 losses,
16-15 Wash St NET 70, 3 losses at home, 13 Q1/2 losses
16-15 Colorado NET 71, 4 losses at home, 10 Q1/2 losses would be the weakest Q1 road win.
Just because they are around or below 0.500 doesn't make them a bad team, just means that they played against and lost to too many teams better than them. It doesn't make them a bad team or bad Q1 or Q2 win unlike teams like Louisville or California.
The 5 teams that won @ 16-15 Florida NET 60, 14 Q1/2 losses,
The 6 teams that won @ 13-18 Ohio St. NET 63, 16 Q1/2 losses,
The 7 teams that won @ 15-16 Oklahoma NET 65, 16 Q1/2 losses,
16-15 Wash St NET 70, 3 losses at home, 13 Q1/2 losses
16-15 Colorado NET 71, 4 losses at home, 10 Q1/2 losses would be the weakest Q1 road win.
Just because they are around or below 0.500 doesn't make them a bad team, just means that they played against and lost to too many teams better than them. It doesn't make them a bad team or bad Q1 or Q2 win unlike teams like Louisville or California.
Regardless of whether this is a real leak or not, all the press on twitter about this has to keep it in the committee's mind. That can only be positive for RU.
Carino has chimed in and tends to agree with Wachtel..likely a non factor.
However Carino isn’t a bracketologist..
However Carino isn’t a bracketologist..
Wrong
They get a team sheet
There are not notes on how a game went down
Its likely many never knew about it
Clearly this means the committee will not consider it a full loss by RU, assuming they should have won
Really...there are thousands of games played..pretty hard to keep track of a game played months ago
Can we now get a statement from the BiG that the clock was wrong on the last Minnesota possession?
And that proper protocol in the event of a fire and smoke in an arena is to evacuate all patrons and cancel the game, so the northwestern game never officially happened?
and if you werent a rutgers or ohio state fan it was quickly forgetten
For fans. Agree. Highly doubt it was “quickly forgotten” to the committee…which they pretty much confirmed to Breitman.
I’ve said all along…when that game came up in past posts about it screwing RU…that the committee will understand what happened and not screw RU. Which seems to be the case.
Again, I think most bracketologists had my view on it and understood the committee will understand what happened. This is nothing groundbreaking, imo, to most bracketologist.
the committee didnt confirm anything to Breitman...wtf....he said a source told him
why are you making something up
Everyone is focused on the win side. I’m inclined to agree it’s not going to present much of a resume boost from a quad perspective.
It’s huge information though from the loss side. Marc you keep saying the BIG never said we “won”. But on the same note, if that’s true, their statement has to also mean that we did not lose either outside of a documented error. If we’re viewed to go from a 14 total loss count down to 13 or even somewhere in the middle that’s a material boost to the perception of our resume on Selection day. Definite factor.
It’s huge information though from the loss side. Marc you keep saying the BIG never said we “won”. But on the same note, if that’s true, their statement has to also mean that we did not lose either outside of a documented error. If we’re viewed to go from a 14 total loss count down to 13 or even somewhere in the middle that’s a material boost to the perception of our resume on Selection day. Definite factor.
So you’re saying rutgers odds of making the Tourny with a loss to Michigan jumped to 50% cause of a source??
You’re the one chsniging your opinion on rutgers outlook cause of this…not me.
its important because its a huge footnote on their team sheet
its like in Survivor when a contestant finds an advantage, does not mean it will help them ultimate goal but its an advantage that its being considered
and no they dont consider controversial calls really so thats why its important
Definite factor. Of course. But it’s ALWAYS been a factor….it’s not just become a factor that’s suddenly going to have an impact on Rutgers chances.
Our odds of making it with a Michigan win followed by a blow out loss to Purdue have surely skyrocketed…. Our odds of avoiding play in game with a win have also improved. I’d say we would now be locked in with a win which I didn’t think before.
You may have always thought that but it’s rare that these types of things are considered. I personally had not factored it in when I thought about our odds. So to my own perception that makes it a boost.
My opinion is its ALWAYS been a footnote. And where Rutgers is currently in the field in the committes eyes and in most bracketologists eyes…..has already taken that into account.
You seem to be saying that this has just suddenly become a footnote…and people should change their brackets due to this. (As you seem to be doing, now giving Rutgers a 50% change of making it with a loss Thursday. It was much lower yesterday)
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