Especially when you have other very recent transfers by other quality-players (eg mathis and Myles) that did NOT get a backlash.
It totally nullifies their argument that we’re being hypocrites (ie bash every player that transfers)
Semi OT: Cam Spencer commits to UConn
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Especially when you have other very recent transfers by other quality-players (eg mathis and Myles) that did NOT get a backlash.
It totally nullifies their argument that we’re being hypocrites (ie bash every player that transfers)
If you don't want to lose them? Yes. If you don't care if they walk to the competitor down the street? No. That's a decision that needs to be made on an individual employee basis.
You get a degree from a place it matters . Especially to a fanbase that touts academics. Rutgers will be on his resume the rest of his life
nothing to do with his question. If it is a public company my job is to maximize shareholder value. I would then have to most likely proceed as PSAL laid out.
In corporate America there’s always a risk of attrition and you never really know who poses the biggest risk. The employee who gives notice is never the one you expect. In the example I game (much like with our recurrent roster for next year) retention of everyone is important since the team is short staffed. But that doesn’t mean it makes strategic sense to throw money at everyone in perpetuity. Many employees won’t end up leaving. It’s going to cost the company a lot of money to raise everyone for the sake of it and at year end - then what? Another raise to suck into profit margins even further? It’s not practical to keep raising everyone. You manage situations as they arise.
Now in fairness, I will say that in my experience, it’s not that common for someone to walk out during busy season even if they feel they’ve been slighted financially. Sure - it happens occasionally but it’s generally a big surprise when an accountant/controller walks out in the heart of busy season. You burn valuable potential networking bridges for later if you do that. It’s almost always in the employees best interest to ride out the season. Unless they are looking to abandon the profession altogether.
Let’s say it’s private - note that as the LOB head your job is still to make the accounting department as strong / risk averse as possible at as little cost to the company as possible.
You can make an argument that the RU situation parallels both situation. Pike’s job is to make the roster as strong as possible. He knows there are limited NIL dollars out so he’s not going to just blindly use the funds (or direct the use of the third party funds, I should say) to guys he thinks he’s already secured. He probably expected anyone who was unhappy to come to him. Which is exactly where I’d land in a comparable situation in the corporate world. As the department head, I’d hope that I’d built a good enough relationship with my staff where they would feel comfortable approaching me if they were unhappy.
Your private vs public clarification was a good question though. In a private company there’s a good chance that the salary won’t become public knowledge. Maybe Pike didn’t think Cam would find out Noah’s arrangement and then he did. Who knows? Either way - the timing of it all doesn’t sit well with me just as I’d be annoyed if one of my trusted employees bailed in the middle of our busy season. That’s what it reminded me of.
So the gray area between doing what's right for yourself vs. being respectful to your employer.
In the current environment your employee that left was getting paid under current market value and the best opportunity to monetize that is to leave during busy season when he/she is in highest demand.
Sometime over the past 20+ years staying at a job long term turned from a positive to a negative.
My personal solution to keeping key employees is to pay them more than they can ever get elsewhere and treat them with respect. That is not relevant here because money is finite (at RU) and the money I pay employee is mine and it isn't finite.
In the end there probably is mental math being done trying to figure out the probabilities of certain players leaving and what is the amount to pay to keep them satisfied. There is a budget so tough decisions need to be made. I think in this case RU took the risk with Cam and lost him. In hindsight would RU have been better paying Cam more and not getting Noah. Did RU try and thread the needle and have the both?
In 2023 I can not blame players 1 bit. Cam probably will make more next year playing basketball than he ever will in any single year (playing basketball). This was his last chance.
In the current environment your employee that left was getting paid under current market value and the best opportunity to monetize that is to leave during busy season when he/she is in highest demand.
Sometime over the past 20+ years staying at a job long term turned from a positive to a negative.
My personal solution to keeping key employees is to pay them more than they can ever get elsewhere and treat them with respect. That is not relevant here because money is finite (at RU) and the money I pay employee is mine and it isn't finite.
In the end there probably is mental math being done trying to figure out the probabilities of certain players leaving and what is the amount to pay to keep them satisfied. There is a budget so tough decisions need to be made. I think in this case RU took the risk with Cam and lost him. In hindsight would RU have been better paying Cam more and not getting Noah. Did RU try and thread the needle and have the both?
In 2023 I can not blame players 1 bit. Cam probably will make more next year playing basketball than he ever will in any single year (playing basketball). This was his last chance.
If you're hiring and have infinite money, where can I submit my resume?
I think you are correct, BUT, 80% of the workforce is more afraid for their jobs and do not have the balls to ask for more. Probably only about 20% of workers are willing to go into their companies and ask for more.
Because of so many variables(family, mortgages, etc), they are afraid to ask for what they are actually "worth".
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Groz
I'd think the most likely scenario is he was on the fence. UCONN gave him a great offer and he realized UCONN was a better fit for him and he thought he didn't owe RU anything because he was being underpaid.
Cam will always be a Rutgers graduate, but he will never be a Rutgers man because of the way he left. Myles Johnson is a lifetime Rutgers man. Even JY gets more props in that area, by far, by making it clear he was heading out when that season ended.
The timing of this is right up with what Eugene O did. Neither are "Rutgers men" IMO.
Cam probably couldn't care less about that right now compared to the $$ he will get paid playing for UConn next year.
The timing of this is right up with what Eugene O did. Neither are "Rutgers men" IMO.
Cam probably couldn't care less about that right now compared to the $$ he will get paid playing for UConn next year.
I'm sure UConn boosters are not only paying Spencer well, but he was probably also told that he'll most likely get the open starting position that Jordan Hawkins had... Hard to resist all that. But when push comes to shove, he still ended up screwing RU, regardless of whether we empathize with him or not.
Anyway, regardless of how I feel about Spencer, I think I'll most likely end up with a feeling of contentment after any UConn (or Georgia Tech) loss in the future. Can't help it.
Anyway, regardless of how I feel about Spencer, I think I'll most likely end up with a feeling of contentment after any UConn (or Georgia Tech) loss in the future. Can't help it.
His degree just pisses me off more. For him to earn it so fast, we would’ve had to make special arrangements to accommodate him. It seems likely that the motivation was to have the ability to go somewhere else. Look - I guess it was all business all along for Cam. I do believe that the relationship with the school is still important to many of our kids even in situations where they chose to move one. Those are the ones I choose to continue to root for.
He wasn’t on the fence between RU and UConn. When UConn entered the picture he had already made it clear RU was out of it. At that point the speculation was about Georgetown.
While we don’t have specific details, it’s pretty clear that at some point, Cam decided he did not want to stay at RU and intended to go out and shop his NIL / alternative options as soon as he was eligible for the portal. We don’t know the exact date when he determined that - it’s entirely plausible he knew all along. Regardless, he played the loyal RU soldier up until the minute he graduates - out at that fundraising event representing Rutgers. That he participated as the representative at that NIL event ( it’s not even feasibly possible he didn’t know he was leaving then) is borderline disgusting. I get it - he made money for that appearance and didn’t want to give it up. Some of you see nothing wrong with this. His NIL value in appearing at that event was predecated on the expectation that he would be returning to RU. He would not have been selected otherwise.
He knew full well that a week later he was going to breach his agreement to attend RU grad school And play for RU. The fans who attended that event would then know he hadn’t represented himself in good faith (he clearly had 2 feet out the door). Even if he truly did have a late change in heart and initially planned to stick with Rutgers (when he accepted admission to our grad schoo) he still should’ve come forward before the NIL initiative (Pike would’ve sent someone else). or at least faked an illness to skip that appearance.
It's not even good for the vast majority of players. NIL is going to result in schools dropping sports programs and giving out less scholarships.
I was referring to his exit. I thought you were too when you said he didn't do anything wrong.
Cam is gone from RU looking for an easier path to the National Championship with UConn then he felt RU had.
Cam left Loyola of Maryland after staring thee to play in a biger plaground at Rutgers.
I thank Cam for his helping RU MBB be a program to be proud of, but I consider Cam a mercenary that comes in does the job required while getting what he wants and using that to find better opportunities .
Nothing wrong with that in today's college environment where jumping ship for better opportunity is common practice and easy to do
i'm not mad at Cam for dumping aru, because he dumped another program to play at Rutgers and now doing to RU what he dd at LOM , finding a bigger opportunity and shouldn't be faulted for doing so, just considered a one year rental and let UConn fans root for him now.
His Rutgers career is over and so is my caring about him playing well, just hope he stays injury free
Cam left Loyola of Maryland after staring thee to play in a biger plaground at Rutgers.
I thank Cam for his helping RU MBB be a program to be proud of, but I consider Cam a mercenary that comes in does the job required while getting what he wants and using that to find better opportunities .
Nothing wrong with that in today's college environment where jumping ship for better opportunity is common practice and easy to do
i'm not mad at Cam for dumping aru, because he dumped another program to play at Rutgers and now doing to RU what he dd at LOM , finding a bigger opportunity and shouldn't be faulted for doing so, just considered a one year rental and let UConn fans root for him now.
His Rutgers career is over and so is my caring about him playing well, just hope he stays injury free
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This. I have a very close family member who worked at RU in a particular department helping students, including athletes, get across the finish line sometimes within hours of graduation. Cam definitely needed help to graduate from RU having only been here one year. I imagine there were a lot of actions behind the scenes making it all possible for him. That’s why he didn’t say anything. He decided if he did say he was going he wouldn’t have gotten the special help and assistance.
Everything you said would be true if he left us the way JY did (I.e. same exact situation but he let everyone know his intentions to leave upfront).
That’s not what happened here.
Congratulations to Cam. Sucks to lose him, but at same time, ridiculous to criticize his move with one year of eligibility left. He helped Rutgers a ton last year. Wish him nothing but the best.
agree,
no one is blaming him for leaving but do it in an upfront manner / with integrity (like Myles, JY and Mathis) and not like Eugene O.
it continues to boggle my mind that some here cant understand the difference.
Of course anyone can choose who to root for or not .
It doesn’t change the facts on who graduated or not.
Good for him. Let’s put it this way - RU degree or not, the only way I’d ever wish him well on the basketball court again would be if he one day went on to play for Team USA in the Olympics. I’d root for him then as a means of supporting the country.
I’ll otherwise root for his team to lose and him to be overmatched by every other basketball opponent he faces in his career (he’s not going to the NBA but even if he did I don’t care enough about pro sports for allegiance to any other team to be a factor).
That was what I said 6 months ago. I thought it would have dire repercussions for non revenue college athletes.
Even Jacob Young did not receive this type of backlash and he left under not so friendly circumstances.
I wonder how far we away we are from homeostasis. It’s definitely feels like it’s still in flux.
Do all the non revenue sports turn to club like sports that compete in more local conferences?
Do revenue sports break free all together?
Do they find a loop hole around title IX?
Do they just license the brand of the university to a team of non student athletes, made to resemble they same feel governed by rules
Of that new entity….allowed to play for roughly 4-5 years, age requirements, CBAs?
Hope Cam gets everything coming to him playing in that league. Hope UConn draws Memphis twice, and Xavier .. Cam will leave crying, that little punk
JY was not a total surprise though if I recall correctly.
Cam is getting a similar reaction to EO … and deservedly
Cam and EO can both **** themselves
Myles and mathis - I legitimately wished them well
Young was somewhere in between - I mean he didn’t go leaving a warm fuzzy feeling yet he didn’t **** RU over like cam and EO. So his departure was kinda neutral in my mind
