So What's the Story With "Shoes"?

[RutgersMO]

Is he gone?

If Corey does not receive positive feedback from NBA, he can withdraw and still play....right, as long as he doesn't have an agent?

What are you guys (you know who you are) hearing about that scenario / Corey retuning to Rutgers?

What are the odds?

Thanks

MO

 

[RUinFla]

Not one of "you guys", but a player that does not sign with an agent can work out and be evaluated by some number of NBA teams. He can see where he might go (or not go) in the draft, and get an honest reading on his pro prospects. He will be told his strengths and weaknesses, and, if there is a chance he has pro prospects, what he needs to improve on. Then he can go back to school, if he wishes. Would think the guys it would help the most are the ones whose posse has been telling them for a while that they were surefire draft picks, when in reality, they were flawed players with little real chance of playing in the NBA.
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[Saint Puppy]

Not one of the 'you guys' either, but I don't think he is NBA ready and would be well served by coming back for at least one more year. I think the thing that is on our side is that he is not going to want to sit out a year by transferring, so all and all I'm betting he comes back for 1 more year (unless he goes overseas which some have mentioned).

 

[RocktheRac]

It's all about the throw down.

 

[PaKnight]

No shoes, no service.

 

[bac2therac]

I heard he's the cat's meow!

 

[Vegas pj]

These "Shoes" are made for walking......

 

[BlockR]

I think If Dixon or Marshall dont come,then shoes is all but a Lock..IMHO

 

[ruman]

Watch for Jay Young to RU - he did not get CCSU. Unless he is getting Stony Brook

 

[mikefla]

While I hope this is not true...his original quote thanking RU was carefully worded and sounded like he was done with the RU journey to me.....

 

[RocktheRac]

Kick em to the curb. Let's start fresh with Pikiels players and leftovers who want to play for RU.

 

[PhilaPhans]

Why is everybody so eager to throw the kid to the curb? Because he's given support to a good assistant? Because he's looking into the NBA? His suspension?

"... leftovers who want to play for RU" ... who says he doesn't want to play for RU? Until that time, support the kid.

 

[shields]

Sanders could have big year next year. Then if he goes to pros that would be good recruiting tool for Rutgers.

 

[RU85inFla]

Sanders is not going anywhere and his registering for the draft proves it. If he comes back to college he is not gonna transfer and sit out for a year. He wants to go pro and one year at Rutgers is better than 2 somewhere else.

 

[RUinFla]

Sanders will face reality this summer when NBA teams evaluate him. Maybe he comes back; maybe he decides to transfer and sit out a year. And maybe he decides to play basketball in Malaysia. If he doesn't want to be here, that is his decision. If keeping a person the HC and AD would like to replace is the price for keeping Sanders--and next season's soap opera ala Douby--I would say bye bye, but they may not.
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[seels2662]

Kick em to the curb. Let's start fresh with Pikiels players and leftovers who want to play for RU.

You don't actually like winning games do you.

 

[MADHAT1]

Sanders will face reality this summer when NBA teams evaluate him. Maybe he comes back; maybe he decides to transfer and sit out a year. And maybe he decides to play basketball in Malaysia. If he doesn't want to be here, that is his decision. If keeping a person the HC and AD would like to replace is the price for keeping Sanders--and next season's soap opera ala Douby--I would say bye bye, but they may not.
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Don't think he expects to turn pro or leave RU , just wants an NBA evaluation of his skills and find out what he needs to improve in order to improve his draft stock.

 

[ElmiraExpress]

Sanders will face reality this summer when NBA teams evaluate him. Maybe he comes back; maybe he decides to transfer and sit out a year. And maybe he decides to play basketball in Malaysia. If he doesn't want to be here, that is his decision. If keeping a person the HC and AD would like to replace is the price for keeping Sanders--and next season's soap opera ala Douby--I would say bye bye, but they may not.
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The pro leagues in Malaysia are very low quality, and the players are equivalent to D3 players. If Sanders goes overseas, he can do a lot better than Malaysia

 

[RUinFla]

Malaysia was a throwaway line--could have said China, Philippines, Iran--or Angola, Nigeria or the Ivory Coast. If he is that eager to quit school and play for pay, there are a lot of places. The countries named above have done fairly well in continent-wide competition over the years. Just saying, if his price is keeping Vetrone, the AD and HC will decide if he is worth it, not us posters. Still remember Douby's waffling after freshman and soph seasons, and Sanders is not the player Douby was.
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[Greene Rice FIG]

You don't actually like winning games do you.

Biggest fallacy...take our most talented and "best recruits" over the past 10 years or so. Have they helped increase or decrease total wins for the Rutgers program. We start winning when it is program OVER individual players.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

The team clearly played better when Sanders was in the lineup vs. when he was out of the lineup. To say otherwise is a total joke.

 

[RM60]

He'll be far more draft ready if he comes back for a year. That said, he could possibly get picked up in the 2nd round, as he really is quite a talent. Just not ready yet. Curious whether he's finishing the spring semester at school, or doesn't that even matter??

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Sanders is still finishing his spring semester at RU.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The team clearly played better when Sanders was in the lineup vs. when he was out of the lineup. To say otherwise is a total joke.

That isn't the argument. This isn't fantasy football where guys get plugged in and their play is independent of who their teammates are. When Sanders went out we couldn't DL him and go to the waiver wire and pick up Bryant McIntosh. Think about the dynamic Mike Rosario being in the program had. Did he change the culture? Did his inclusion in the program help FIG be better players and lead to more wins?

 

[RUsojo]

That isn't the argument. This isn't fantasy football where guys get plugged in and their play is independent of who their teammates are. When Sanders went out we couldn't DL him and go to the waiver wire and pick up Bryant McIntosh. Think about the dynamic Mike Rosario being in the program had. Did he change the culture? Did his inclusion in the program help FIG be better players and lead to more wins?

If FIG wasn't busy participating in activities which caused failed drug tests maybe they would have been better players and had more wins.

 

[bac2therac]

If FIG wasn't busy participating in activities which caused failed drug tests maybe they would have been better players and had more wins.

if the abomination that was Fred Hill wasnt hired to be head coach by Uncle Bob maybe none of this mess including ruining the FIG class would have happened

 

[RUsojo]

if the abomination that was Fred Hill wasnt hired to be head coach by Uncle Bob maybe none of this mess including ruining the FIG class would have happened

Don't the kids have to take the responsibility. They were using drugs. That seems to me like a clear demonstration of lack of commitment. It can't be easy trying to coach kids who aren't committed (I don't know I haven't coached kids or used drugs).

I mean even good athletes stop drinking during our men's league season and we have nothing at stake..

 

[RUinFla]

RM60, not much chance of him being picked. Just looking at the NCAA teams, a mere handful compared to the total, and looking at guards, only, Tyler Ulis, Ky, Denzel Valentine, MSU, Buddy Hield, Okie, Perry Ellis, Kansas, Malcolm Brogdon, UVA, Yogi Farrell, Indiana, Kris Dunn, Providence, Isaiah Cousins, Okie, Melo Trimble, Md, Ryan Archidianco, Nova, Daniel House, Texas A & M, Isaiah Taylor, Texas from the NCAA field, alone, will go ahead of him. Plus some number of NIT kids and others, and don't forget the internationals. NBA teams might say, he has potential, but send him back to school to work on certain things. Like defense. He can come back here, or sit out and transfer or opt to play in some Third World place. We have no idea how much communication he has had with the new HC, but if his posse is giving him bad advice and he is listening, GL to him.
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[seels2662]

Biggest fallacy...take our most talented and "best recruits" over the past 10 years or so. Have they helped increase or decrease total wins for the Rutgers program. We start winning when it is program OVER individual players.

Then why did essentially every kid that transferred end up in the tournament once they left? If you think that a bunch of Sun Belt players can somehow magically come together and even get us into the NIT then you are sadly mistaken. Take a look at the recruiting rankings and name me one team-one-that has been remotely successful in the Big 10 without say at least 3-5 top 150 players in their lineup.

Our issue is that 1)we can never keep players and 2)We really suck at developing them or maximizing their potential.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

That isn't the argument. This isn't fantasy football where guys get plugged in and their play is independent of who their teammates are. When Sanders went out we couldn't DL him and go to the waiver wire and pick up Bryant McIntosh. Think about the dynamic Mike Rosario being in the program had. Did he change the culture? Did his inclusion in the program help FIG be better players and lead to more wins?

Your comparison is so far off. Sanders actually shares the ball and makes his teammates better.

FIG, everyone has already made note of your despise of Sanders. You don't have to keep trying to prove it to the board.

 

[seels2662]

if the abomination that was Fred Hill wasnt hired to be head coach by Uncle Bob maybe none of this mess including ruining the FIG class would have happened

This is true. Inman was a top 100 player...Farmer was also a top player...Griffin and Gibson could have been decent role players. They could have been a decent core that when you added a Chandler, Rosario and N'Daiye could have been really good. But FHJ killed it.

 

[bac2therac]

Don't the kids have to take the responsibility. They were using drugs. That seems to me like a clear demonstration of lack of commitment. It can't be easy trying to coach kids who aren't committed (I don't know I haven't coached kids or used drugs).

I mean even good athletes stop drinking during our men's league season and we have nothing at stake..

you do realize that a good chunk of players are smoking weed in hoops and football and probably the majority of other sports at this school

 

[RUsojo]

This is true. Inman was a top 100 player...Farmer was also a top player...Griffin and Gibson could have been decent role players. They could have been a decent core that when you added a Chandler, Rosario and N'Daiye could have been really good. But FHJ killed it.

Half of those players weren't committed to winning. Two of which I witnessed personally.

 

[RUsojo]

you do realize that a good chunk of players are smoking weed in hoops and football and probably the majority of other sports at this school

Hopefully not the night before a game like FIG and some other later recruits on those teams.

I get it happens though.

 

[MADHAT1]

if the abomination that was Fred Hill wasnt hired to be head coach by Uncle Bob maybe none of this mess including ruining the FIG class would have happened

At the time it seemed to be a good idea, but the way it was done probably put a curse on the program.
Waters had competitive teams, but losing ones 2 out of his five years as the RU HC and the 3 NIT trips weren't enough for most RU fans.
Hindsight does help see the mistake made and I always wondered : if Mulcahy didn't cut Gary's throat to bring in Hill as his assistant , with every intention of replacing Waters. what would have happened if Freddie would have stayed the assistant and Gary would have stayed the HC .
I think with Freddie's recruiting and Gary's coaching,RU MBB would been a constant NCAA Tourney team.

As it was RU traded a good HC that couldn't recruit enough of the type of players to make RU a dance team for a great recruiting assistant that couldn't coach a major college basketball program and made it worse than any of Waters teams were .

Mulcahy panicked when it was rumored the Hall might hire Hill as its HC and in that panic hired someone that lead RU MBB into the downward spiral that RU still is feeling.

 

[playorbplayd]

you do realize that a good chunk of players are smoking weed in hoops and football and probably the majority of other sports at this school

College kids smoke weed?? OH NO, they're going to play video games after. This must be stopped.

 

[RUsojo]

College kids smoke weed?? OH NO, they're going to play video games after. This must be stopped.

Of course not but if they're out smoking and drinking the night before a game what can you expect a coach to do?

 

[hinson32]

you do realize that a good chunk of players are smoking weed in hoops and football and probably the majority of other sports at this school

And at every other school.

 

[playorbplayd]

Of course not but if they're out smoking and drinking the night before a game what can you expect a coach to do?

Honestly have zero issue with smoking the night before. If anything it keeps you out of trouble and inside. Drinking is the issue when kids can't control themselves. (This from someone who only drinks and doesn't smoke).

Would rather see a kid smoke for pain management than become addicted to prescribed pain killers.