Doucoure took a medical redshirt this year. Not sure that would've happened if he left in January. Now if he transfers and has to sit out that would be his regular redshirt and he'd still have three seasons to play.
Speculation about transfers leaving RU
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Doucoure took a medical redshirt this year. Not sure that would've happened if he left in January. Now if he transfers and has to sit out that would be his regular redshirt and he'd still have three seasons to play.
I agree in a way but for most of this year we needed to shrink the rotation, not expand it. Bringing in a senior at the same skill level as the rest of our team does nothing but take away minutes from guys that will be around the following year.
Gettys was a special case because the team talent and depth levels were decimated thanks to Eddie. Any potential big difference maker isn't coming to Rutgers.
I'd rather grab a sit out transfer like Young or even a guy with the upside of Peter Kiss (hasn't worked out so far but I maintain it was a worthwhile gamble).
Best players play....so, if he or anyone takes minutes....so be it.
Play the best...fair to the rest.
--- Steve Pikiell
Will there be any coaching turnover?
Brandin Knight is a HC in the waiting and Pike has been praising Jay Young for a HC gig forever.
Can see Knight going to a mid major program such as an A-10 program (I think he was a finalist for Duquense) as a HC or to get a promotion to be a top assistant at a P5 school. Can see Jay Young going to a MAAC type of school as a HC should either be fortunate enough.
Brandin Knight is a HC in the waiting and Pike has been praising Jay Young for a HC gig forever.
Can see Knight going to a mid major program such as an A-10 program (I think he was a finalist for Duquense) as a HC or to get a promotion to be a top assistant at a P5 school. Can see Jay Young going to a MAAC type of school as a HC should either be fortunate enough.
Not saying it will happen, but Nathan Knight, Jr. C from W&M about 21 pts. 9 rbs., One of the best Centers in college basketball would be the perfect grad transfer situation to keep an eye on.
I hope Kiss stays. His stats are not as bad as some one this board have pegged him. He needs to get a little better on his open threes and FT's and be more careful on passing, but I think he can be a role player for us next year. He hustles and gets open and if Young and Mulcahy have good vision and can get him a quick passes he can get one or two easy baskets per game.
I wouldn’t mind a big who could be a lock down defender, even if we sacrifice scoring. We had no one who could guard Parden in our first NW game and no one who could touch the kid from Illinois. We didn’t even have a player who could stay in front of Palmer yesterday. That 3 wins right there that we should have had.
Do we want a grad transfer who is marginally better than Caleb or Mathis taking their minutes?
Fairfield fired their coach. Could be a good stepping stone job for a guy like Knight or Young.
He would need to be granted a 6th year for that to happen (2 years at RU, a redshirt and then 3 years playing = 6 years). More likely he would get a waiver and be eligible next season. But I hope he stays because I think he can develop t the Shaq Doorson level and he is a bi, big body.
For what its worth, he was always rooting his team on enthusiastically while he sat.
I think/hope Young will be playing a lot but remember this time last year everyone was touting Kiss as the scorer / outside shooter that the program was in desperate need for --unfortunately it didn't work out as planned.
Yep. And before that, Nigel Johnson was the best guard on the team during his redshirt year. And before that Wally Judge was going to tear it up once he was able to hit the floor.
The redshirted guy is like the backup QB holding the clipboard - clearly the best guy for the job, if only he could see the field.
Recruiting isn’t binary, but.....
Pike has a great batting average with HS kids and a low batting average with transfers and JUCOs
Pike has a great batting average with HS kids and a low batting average with transfers and JUCOs
Hopefully the RU-based writers will produce articles about potential grad transfers from some of the other local teams and from around the country.
I think we are in a different spot this year for the grad transfer market. Pike can legitimately tell a stud grad transfer that with him we will make the tournament. I am interested in seeing what Pike can do with that type of pitch.
This has always been and remains need number 1. And 2 and maybe 3.
And someone who will take those shots. McConnell was .410 in conference play, but only took two attempts per game.
Caleb 39 attempts in 362 minutes ....1 every 9.3 minutes 41.0%
Ron 70 attempts in 472 minutes........1 every 6.7 minutes 34.3%
Geo 103 attempts in 662 minutes......1 every 6.4 minutes 33.0%
Kiss 53 attempts in 299 minutes........1 every 5.6 minutes 28.3%
Mathis 49 attempts in 529 minutes....1 every 10.8 minutes 26.5%
What happens when Caleb increases his usage?
Ron 70 attempts in 472 minutes........1 every 6.7 minutes 34.3%
Geo 103 attempts in 662 minutes......1 every 6.4 minutes 33.0%
Kiss 53 attempts in 299 minutes........1 every 5.6 minutes 28.3%
Mathis 49 attempts in 529 minutes....1 every 10.8 minutes 26.5%
What happens when Caleb increases his usage?
If you want to look at the last 11 games when he, in my eyes, officially was in the rotation
28 attempts in 244 minutes....1 every 8.7 minutes 46.4%!
In those 11 games
22.1 MPG
13-28 from 3, 20-51 from 2, 41.8% overall
18-22 from FT 81.8%
13 stls
9 oreb-30 dreb 3.5 RPG
13-14 assts/turnover
69 minutes with no Baker (assuming Caleb OR Geo on floor at all times)
28 attempts in 244 minutes....1 every 8.7 minutes 46.4%!
In those 11 games
22.1 MPG
13-28 from 3, 20-51 from 2, 41.8% overall
18-22 from FT 81.8%
13 stls
9 oreb-30 dreb 3.5 RPG
13-14 assts/turnover
69 minutes with no Baker (assuming Caleb OR Geo on floor at all times)
No, but what about a big who is marginally better than Doucore ?
He might be able to help.....until we get the wins get vacated for violating NCAA rules
This his last year eligibility I assume lol
Coach Knight ain’t leaving before he sits his butt in his brand new coach office in the R-Dub-J. Neither is Hobbs or Young in IMO. I think everybody comes back except Issa and enjoy the fruits of the hard work and that is the facility and a post season run.
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I tend to agree...I think Issa solved the logjam, and based on Pike's comments re: Duke and his role next year, and Kiss having already sat out once, I don't see any likely candidates. Shaq C.'s minutes were nonexistent early on and sporadic afterwards, but don't see him leaving either...
Everybody loves being here. Everybody wants to be in the R-Dub-J. That’s a fact.
Is the new facility opening in the Fall? I'm on Livingston twice a week and it sure looks close.
The stat breakdown I saw yesterday on the games since January were eye opening on how balanced the scoring actually was and how far the dropoff was from the primary 6 players who were around 19 to 20 minutes or more and those who played less than that.
I don't believe in the grad transfer player given this roster and what we saw last year. Anyone brought in for 18 to 20 minutes a game or 600 minutes of playing time to replace Doorson, can go to Doucoure.
The minutes breakdown went this way since Maryland or in last 11 games when the rotation was adjusted.
Baker 34 MPG....11PPG
Mathis 27.5......10.5 PPG
Harper 22.5 (28 over the last 12 or so games)....9PPG
Caleb 18 (22 over last 11 games)...9.3PPG in last 11 games
Eugene 30.5 since January which includes 3-4 games missed.....13.5 PPG
Myles 19.5 MPG.....6.5 PPG
Doorson 17 MPG.....3.5PPG....more critical on defense and rebounding vs offense
Carter 16 MPG .....4.6 PPG
Kiss 13.5 MPG & Thiam 10.5 MPG....5PPG combined
The combined 374 total minutes of Kiss and Thiam since January only yielded 97 total points in almost 20 MPG. Most of the 97 points generated from Kiss but only 5 PPG between the 2 is a huge dropoff vs what we can expect from Jacob Young alone in 20 MPG....and we can expect Geo to have less minutes from 34 MPG to 26MPG.
I haven't even factored in Mulcahy, who I think finds himself on the floor for 18-20 minutes.
The minutes up for discussion IMO, comes from finding a legitimate threat on defense that can move, be a stronger offensive player than Doorson for 18 MPG when Myles isn't playing
OR
Completely going with Harper junior and Eugene at times up front vs Eugene and Shaq Carter or Eugene and Thiam which is what we worked with this year.
If you have that legitimate shooting threat at the 4, who can also block shots or move his feet defensively OR have Harper in that role, then the Ismael Massoud or Josh Hall type of wing or 3/4 immediately plugs in for Carter or Doorsons minutes. If you added a Massoud or Hall, RUs scoring goes up a bit, when factoring in Young.
You would be more efficient without the Thiam and Kiss minutes going elsewhere and more effective on offense giving Carter back up minutes at the 5 behind Johnson and opening up 20 or so minutes for the scoring threat from perimeter and improved defense.
This is my "Scarlet Shack" mode that kinda helps break it down.
Baker 27MPG....Mulcahy 13 MPG
Mathis 24MPG.... Young 14 MPG
McConnell.....24MPG....Young....10 MPG....Mulcahy 6 MPG
Harper...26 MPG.....Ismael Massoud OR Josh Hall type OR JUCO PF...7MPG
Eugene 26MPG....Massoud/Hall/JUCO 14 MPG
Myles...20MPG....Doucoure/Carter....20 MPG
For RU to look different and have more players that can function with less turnovers and more play off the dribble/shoot/pass/score, this is the minute breakdown I can forecast if we landed that wing player to compliment Harper....and that player steps in after Eugene and Carter depart in 2019-20.
I am not anti Peter Kiss, but I cant forecast a situation where he finds minutes unless there's nothing brought in for recruiting this spring that changes the front court minutes.
The breakdown of minutes is 220 minutes per game, when there are only 200 available minutes. There's going to be matchups against smaller teams where 40 minutes a game may not make sense for Myles/Doucoure/Carter....
If a grad transfer steps in, he has to be an immediate match or upgrade as a starter, otherwise I don't see where the fit is....I would pass on a grad transfer.
I don't believe in the grad transfer player given this roster and what we saw last year. Anyone brought in for 18 to 20 minutes a game or 600 minutes of playing time to replace Doorson, can go to Doucoure.
The minutes breakdown went this way since Maryland or in last 11 games when the rotation was adjusted.
Baker 34 MPG....11PPG
Mathis 27.5......10.5 PPG
Harper 22.5 (28 over the last 12 or so games)....9PPG
Caleb 18 (22 over last 11 games)...9.3PPG in last 11 games
Eugene 30.5 since January which includes 3-4 games missed.....13.5 PPG
Myles 19.5 MPG.....6.5 PPG
Doorson 17 MPG.....3.5PPG....more critical on defense and rebounding vs offense
Carter 16 MPG .....4.6 PPG
Kiss 13.5 MPG & Thiam 10.5 MPG....5PPG combined
The combined 374 total minutes of Kiss and Thiam since January only yielded 97 total points in almost 20 MPG. Most of the 97 points generated from Kiss but only 5 PPG between the 2 is a huge dropoff vs what we can expect from Jacob Young alone in 20 MPG....and we can expect Geo to have less minutes from 34 MPG to 26MPG.
I haven't even factored in Mulcahy, who I think finds himself on the floor for 18-20 minutes.
The minutes up for discussion IMO, comes from finding a legitimate threat on defense that can move, be a stronger offensive player than Doorson for 18 MPG when Myles isn't playing
OR
Completely going with Harper junior and Eugene at times up front vs Eugene and Shaq Carter or Eugene and Thiam which is what we worked with this year.
If you have that legitimate shooting threat at the 4, who can also block shots or move his feet defensively OR have Harper in that role, then the Ismael Massoud or Josh Hall type of wing or 3/4 immediately plugs in for Carter or Doorsons minutes. If you added a Massoud or Hall, RUs scoring goes up a bit, when factoring in Young.
You would be more efficient without the Thiam and Kiss minutes going elsewhere and more effective on offense giving Carter back up minutes at the 5 behind Johnson and opening up 20 or so minutes for the scoring threat from perimeter and improved defense.
This is my "Scarlet Shack" mode that kinda helps break it down.
Baker 27MPG....Mulcahy 13 MPG
Mathis 24MPG.... Young 14 MPG
McConnell.....24MPG....Young....10 MPG....Mulcahy 6 MPG
Harper...26 MPG.....Ismael Massoud OR Josh Hall type OR JUCO PF...7MPG
Eugene 26MPG....Massoud/Hall/JUCO 14 MPG
Myles...20MPG....Doucoure/Carter....20 MPG
For RU to look different and have more players that can function with less turnovers and more play off the dribble/shoot/pass/score, this is the minute breakdown I can forecast if we landed that wing player to compliment Harper....and that player steps in after Eugene and Carter depart in 2019-20.
I am not anti Peter Kiss, but I cant forecast a situation where he finds minutes unless there's nothing brought in for recruiting this spring that changes the front court minutes.
The breakdown of minutes is 220 minutes per game, when there are only 200 available minutes. There's going to be matchups against smaller teams where 40 minutes a game may not make sense for Myles/Doucoure/Carter....
If a grad transfer steps in, he has to be an immediate match or upgrade as a starter, otherwise I don't see where the fit is....I would pass on a grad transfer.
The OP is just staring a rumor to see if anyone bites with info.
There are no expectations on departures at all....if anything we may receive a transfer in, that sits out for next year which doesn't impact the rotation and could still allow the pie in the sky of Massoud,....or Aundre Hyatt fleeing the Will Wade LSU carnage or Josh Hall type of player that elevates the program another level.
This breakdown isn't 220 min per game, it's 231 min per game. You've accounted for 6 positions, not five.
Nailed it...we really are gonna to have a hard time finding minutes for everyone ...so anyone we add needs to be either a skill set we don’t have OR a clear up grade on a returning piece
This is why these next four ships to give for the class of 2020 is critical. We have a fairly complete roster. Besides replacing Eugene , we have spots to upgrade spots we have now
The issue is, however, that there are numerous spots on the roster that need clear upgrades. That doesn't mean that it won't happen, but it underscores that if successful this will be a long rebuild (or, maybe just call it a build).
