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[theRU]

Those of you who are angry, please remember this is not the pros. Donors and supporters of this program need to continue their giving ways. If anything, change your donations and designate them specifically to athletics instead of the University. That will send a message of support.

This is not the pros. Tuning out, not buying merchandise, not buying tickets, will NOT change anything. You do not have an owner running this who is worried about their pocket getting hit. What you have here is an institution that refuses to listen. If you run away from the program, you actually embolden them to continue their ways.

WE NEED THE OPPOSITE. Please continue to give to RU athletics and lets turn this thing around...its the only thing that we on these boards can all agree on.

GO RU...FU BARCHI

 

[ru8081]

I graduated in 1980 and my experience as an alum has mixed. When going back to RU for a game etc I found the staff helpful and friendly. But on a larger scale, from the State of NJ and the administration, there seems to be a feeling that we don't matter. They are so clueless. Trenton and the admin have to be MADE to understand that a great alumni experience leads, in general, to more giving (Endowment). What ties alums back to their university? Great academic ratings and wining football and basketball. I am sure there are other things as well but in general you have to keep your alumni happy and RU and NJ is failing at this.

 

[theRU]

I graduated in 1980 and my experience as an alum has mixed. When going back to RU for a game etc I found the staff helpful and friendly. But on a larger scale, from the State of NJ and the administration, there seems to be a feeling that we don't matter. They are so clueless. Trenton and the admin have to be MADE to understand that a great alumni experience leads, in general, to more giving (Endowment). What ties alums back to their university? Great academic ratings and wining football and basketball. I am sure there are other things as well but in general you have to keep your alumni happy and RU and NJ is failing at this.

Which is why we need to come together and pool resources. We all want the same thing. A strong Successful atheltic department, which in turn can help the financial standing of the University long term.

 

[RUBand]

I graduated in 1980 and my experience as an alum has mixed. When going back to RU for a game etc I found the staff helpful and friendly. But on a larger scale, from the State of NJ and the administration, there seems to be a feeling that we don't matter. They are so clueless. Trenton and the admin have to be MADE to understand that a great alumni experience leads, in general, to more giving (Endowment). What ties alums back to their university? Great academic ratings and wining football and basketball. I am sure there are other things as well but in general you have to keep your alumni happy and RU and NJ is failing at this.

We don't matter (unles there is an important position open, and they want one of their people in), OR, when the B1G invited us, and they want to put "plants" on the BOG..........ah yes, good 'ol Rutgers, always loved the place (spoken by someone who knows their way around campus about as good as, well, Barchi............and, if a deep pocketed donor gave 10 mil to football, 2 mil to the other sports, 20 mil for the b ball facility, they will come out of the woodwork.
Don't forget, CC is a Domer.........I read about how Rutgers received some 450 million for facility upgrades several years ago, which includes RU Camden and Newark. The kick in the ball$ is UConn has received over 3 Billion from the state of Connecticut since 1980 for facilities.

 

[RU22]

Which is why we need to come together and pool resources. We all want the same thing. A strong Successful atheltic department, which in turn can help the financial standing of the University long term.

Can you designate the football program only?

 

[Caliknight]

Can you designate the football program only?

You can designate for any program you choose.

 

[RUsilencer]

When Rutgers boasts that less than 45% of their incoming classes consider themselves non caucasian, how well does that forecast for future alumni donations???

 

[KJ_RU]

When Rutgers boasts that less than 45% of their incoming classes consider themselves non caucasian, how well does that forecast for future alumni donations???

Yeah, everybody knows that non caucasians don't make money.

 

[mildone]

When Rutgers boasts that less than 45% of their incoming classes consider themselves non caucasian, how well does that forecast for future alumni donations???

:popcorn:

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

NM

 

[RUsilencer]

Not sure. I guess the forecast depends on how racist you are.

Are there any mods left on this board??

Call me what you want but the football fan base in those scarlet, yellow and brown lots dont look very diverse.

You like just throwing the race card around?

 

[LotusAggressor]

What Rutgers really needs is a T.Boone Pickens to shovel a ton of money into the program, but that kind of athletic culture doesn't exist here. In the grand scheme of things college football just isn't that important. Add in the high level of ignorance of the people of this state when it comes to Rutgers athletics, and you have a recipe for mediocrity.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

NM

 

[RUsilencer]

Im not a racist I am a realist. You are an idiot

 

[RUsilencer]

The point I am making is our alumni base generally sucks in making donations. We are bringing in new alumni from cultures who historically have not shown interest in Rutgers football and athletics. If you think football and athletic boosters in this country havent been historically caucasian, you belong working under Barchi

 

[KJ_RU]

Call me what you want but the football fan base in those scarlet, yellow and brown lots dont look very diverse.

You like just throwing the race card around?

Or maybe some of the non caucasians are in other parts of the country and world making money. Your suggestion that because you don't see many non caucasians in the parking lots that they don't make money or support the program is truly ignorant.

 

[KJ_RU]

The point I am making is our alumni base generally sucks in making donations. We are bringing in new alumni from cultures who historically have not shown interest in Rutgers football and athletics. If you think football and athletic boosters in this country havent been historically caucasian, you belong working under Barchi

Historically most boosters have been caucasian, hmmm, I wonder why. Like I said, truly ignorant.

 

[RUsilencer]

Or maybe some of the non caucasians are in other parts of the country and world making money. Your suggestion that because you don't see many non caucasians in the parking lots that they don't make money or support the program is truly ignorant.

Oh yeah they live in California and still donate big money to Scarlet R. Keep dreaming. If this were the case we wouldnt be scrounging for athletic cash for a real name coach.

 

[mildone]

Im not a racist I am a realist. You are an idiot

Whether you are a racist or not may be debatable. That your post was racist is entirely unarguable.

That you think being a realist, also debatable in your case, would somehow erase the fact that you made a racist post goes a long way towards eliminating any argument as to whether or not you're an idiot.

 

[theRU]

holy crap ....stop fighting amongst yourselves.

Bottom line is that donations need to pick up. How can we fix that? i have no idea...i wish i were a billionaire.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Oh yeah they live in California and still donate big money to Scarlet R. Keep dreaming. If this were the case we wouldnt be scrounging for athletic cash for a real name coach.

I deleted mine because I get the impression that what you wrote didn't really convey what you meant. I'll leave it to you if you want to edit...I'm not gonna keep it quoted.

 

[KingHigh]

If they served chicken tikka masala at the concession stand I think we will have a stadium that seats 100 K within five years

 

[MidwestKnights]

Those of you who are angry, please remember this is not the pros. Donors and supporters of this program need to continue their giving ways. If anything, change your donations and designate them specifically to athletics instead of the University. That will send a message of support.

This is not the pros. Tuning out, not buying merchandise, not buying tickets, will NOT change anything. You do not have an owner running this who is worried about their pocket getting hit. What you have here is an institution that refuses to listen. If you run away from the program, you actually embolden them to continue their ways.

WE NEED THE OPPOSITE. Please continue to give to RU athletics and lets turn this thing around...its the only thing that we on these boards can all agree on.

GO RU...FU BARCHI

This is a quite fair assessment.

 

[MidwestKnights]

I graduated in 1980 and my experience as an alum has mixed. When going back to RU for a game etc I found the staff helpful and friendly. But on a larger scale, from the State of NJ and the administration, there seems to be a feeling that we don't matter. They are so clueless. Trenton and the admin have to be MADE to understand that a great alumni experience leads, in general, to more giving (Endowment). What ties alums back to their university? Great academic ratings and wining football and basketball. I am sure there are other things as well but in general you have to keep your alumni happy and RU and NJ is failing at this.

As is this. This unfortunately is the crux of the issue. Alumni are an afterthought and not considered a core part of the university community.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I don't think it's particularly racist to look at the coming changes in demographics and make assumptions on future revenues (ie: donations, tickets, parking, concessions).

If Wal Mart said "hey, lets not put a Wal Mart in the South Bronx because Latinos don't shop here" it wouldn't be racist, it would be their sales analysts making a strategic recommendation.

Only in a purely PC world do we immediately shout racist when someone makes a valid, if albeit rough around the edges, point.

I think Silencer deserves the benefit of the doubt on the point.

To add, if anyone thinks that there isn't someone in the AD's office tasked with modeling the change in demographics, you're crazy...oh wait, we're RU and proactivity is against our culture...so strike that...lol

ETA: The Wal Mart anecdote is a hypothetical. I'm not interested in some data about the % of Latinos that shop at Wal Mart...

 

[RUsilencer]

Thank you Hudson. If anyone went to Happy Valley yesterday you would see more of what I am saying. Now I know it's impossible to compare us to Penn State in alumni donations. However I would say Penn State is probably not worrying about changing demographic changes to their charitable alumni base. It is easy to call it racist but I seriously doubt high percentages of asian and hispanic alumni will be lining up to donate to Rutgers football in 15 years. The old alumni will die off and who exactly will fill that gap??? Again Penn State and their 74.5% caucasian student base in University Park wont be thinking about this.

 

[brgossRU90]

Yes give more to ru athletics so they can extend fludd's contract again and give him another raise.

 

[Mike from MD]

The point I am making is our alumni base generally sucks in making donations. We are bringing in new alumni from cultures who historically have not shown interest in Rutgers football and athletics. If you think football and athletic boosters in this country havent been historically caucasian, you belong working under Barchi

I do not believe this to be entirely accurate. For example, I was in a LA sports bar last night where the CAL vs. Texas game was featured and the place was loaded with rapid Asian CAL fans.

People will donate if they believe in the mission. Unfortunately for Rutgers, that vision and leadership is non-existent for academics and athletics. Rutgers makes a poor effort at generating grass-roots interest in anything.

 

[rutgersdave]

Oh yeah they live in California and still donate big money to Scarlet R. Keep dreaming. If this were the case we wouldnt be scrounging for athletic cash for a real name coach.

UCLA student population is 30% white non Hispanics and USC population is 39% white non Hispanics. That's much more non white than Rutgers.

The real donations come from the 50's, 60's, 70 's and 80's year olds and older. Are you planning to give to Rutgers in your will? I'm sure there are a lot of Penn State, Mich, and Ohio State grad that do. Asians minorities only started coming here 20-25 years ago and most are in their 30-40's that went to Rutgers. When I went to HS, there was 1 asian family in the whole town and I am in my late fifties. The donation should be coming from older alumnus but I guess no one was watching Rutgers football back in the 70-80's. I didn't and none of my friends did.

I looked up the Nj Asian pop and it doubled from 1990 to 2000 and probably 4-5 times the amount in 2015. So in the good Ol days, before 1990, NJ was very white where donations are coming from. In 15-25 years, we will know if the Asian pop will donate.

I think this blow your idea out if the water.

 

[mildone]

I don't think it's particularly racist to look at the coming changes in demographics and make assumptions on future revenues (ie: donations, tickets, parking, concessions).

If Wal Mart said "hey, lets not put a Wal Mart in the South Bronx because Latinos don't shop here" it wouldn't be racist, it would be their sales analysts making a strategic recommendation.

Only in a purely PC world do we immediately shout racist when someone makes a valid, if albeit rough around the edges, point.

I think Silencer deserves the benefit of the doubt on the point.

I hear what you're saying. But this is not just a case of political correctness run amok.

He's talking about the future donations of non-Caucasian alumni and while he might be right about the percentage of incoming students that are non-Caucasian, I'm curious as to what data he's using to predict how much those students will donate to RU throughout their lifetimes.

Or is it just some feeling he has based on what's he's seen? Even then, past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Seems pretty clear to me that he's making a negative generalization based on race. Which is more or less the textbox definition of racism. And even if he could travel through time and determine that what he said was factually correct based on actual observation of the future RU alumni, it would still be a racist post because correctness is not necessarily mutually exclusive with racism.

I'm not very politically correct (to say the least). But I'm not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. While we may be living in an ridiculously politically correct world these days, sometimes a little political correctness is exactly called for.

I felt like I already gave him the benefit of the doubt by calling his post racist and not him.

 

[mildone]

Thank you Hudson. If anyone went to Happy Valley yesterday you would see more of what I am saying. Now I know it's impossible to compare us to Penn State in alumni donations. However I would say Penn State is probably not worrying about changing demographic changes to their charitable alumni base. It is easy to call it racist but I seriously doubt high percentages of asian and hispanic alumni will be lining up to donate to Rutgers football in 15 years. The old alumni will die off and who exactly will fill that gap??? Again Penn State and their 74.5% caucasian student base in University Park wont be thinking about this.

You're doubling down on making racist posts tonight. You're going to have to produce your crystal ball and show your work as to how you know that future non-Caucasian RU alumni will not donate money to RU football.

It sure can't be by observing the student section or the tailgate scene. Because when I check either out, in the course of looking for the second and third future ex-Mrs. Mildones, I'm not seeing any kind of lily white demographic.

 

[rutgersdave]

You're doubling down on making racist posts tonight. You're going to have to produce your crystal ball and show your work as to how you know that future non-Caucasian RU alumni will not donate money to RU football.

It sure can't be by observing the student section or the tailgate scene. Because when I check either out, in the course of looking for the second and third future ex-Mrs. Mildones, I'm not seeing any kind of lily white demographic.

He's thinking that the current donation is low because of the current Asians student population. The current low donation is more a reflection of bad football in 1960-2000 and the white student population donations back in the 1960-2000 since most donations are from people older than 50.

 

[RUsilencer]

You're doubling down on making racist posts tonight. You're going to have to produce your crystal ball and show your work as to how you know that future non-Caucasian RU alumni will not donate money to RU football.

It sure can't be by observing the student section or the tailgate scene. Because when I check either out, in the course of looking for the second and third future ex-Mrs. Mildones, I'm not seeing any kind of lily white demographic.

Your doubling down in throwing around the race card. If you think forecast modeling has nothing to do with future alumni contributions based on demographics, your a real moron.

 

[RUsilencer]

If you also think I'm a racist because I said that changing demographics may cause future changes in alumni giving towards football, you should look in the next game program in the Scarlet R section. You should then get your head out of your ass and realize that some demographics dont seem to gravitate towards the sport of football as a spectator sport

 

[mal359]

Serious question: do you read your own posts?

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Wow you just don't get it. I regret deleting my posts calling you out.

Did it ever occur to you that the top donors now are mostly white because the Rutgers student base in the 60's was mostly white? And that as today's diverse student body ages, perhaps the racial make up of the donor base will become diverse as well?

Or are you just sticking with "non-whites won't make donations to football" so we need to whiten up the student body in the name of future good football? While we are at it, does the white component include all whites? Or are certain backgrounds more or less genetically predisposed to enjoying football?

I'm the furthest thing from PC police, but this is well beyond PC or not.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

True. Speaking as a south asian myself, It's grilled into you when growing up not to part with money. It's the same for those from the middle east and east asia. So donations to institutions in those demographics are not high unless you're very well established which really only occurs for most people at the tail end of life.

 

[Hondo77]

 

[RU4Real]

Funny... So many people here want to throw around the race card and have @RUsilencer tarred and feathered.

Turns out that the notorious racists at the Huffington Post believe that a very serious conversation needs to be had on this very topic.

It turns out - not for the first time - that the self-proclaimed enlightened folks on this board are not quite what they believe themselves to be.

 

[vkj91]

True. Speaking as a south asian myself, It's grilled into you when growing up not to part with money. It's the same for those from the middle east and east asia. So donations to institutions in those demographics are not high unless you're very well established which really only occurs for most people at the tail end of life.

And then the money is donated towards some start up from a member of your church/religious affiliation.