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you know what...I agree with him and not sure why people are so afraid to talk about it and want to stop discussion. It does matter. Yes of course we have fans of all ethnicities and races but what a lot of the states have in the Midwest and South are years and years of culture of wanting to go to the State U supporting football and giving back when they graduated. We have more first and generation students at Rutgers...and also where football was not exactly a sport their culture had. Yes as the years go on more and more are assimilated and yes they do take pride, follow football and start giving back but are they doing it yet. I think it is an issue and we are all adults here, part of the problem in this country is the hush hush thing when anything slightly controversial is brought up and this is hardly controversial.
hes not making racists posts, why do liberals which I am assuming you are throw that word around when white people talk about race as if ooooh you cant do that but you can if you are a minority, nothing he said was off the wall....debate his points
If the trigger-happy finger-pointers would actually shut up long enough to do some honest research on the topic they would find that shifting demographics and the art and science of how to engage "non-traditional ethic donors" is a HUGE FUKKING DEAL in higher education right now. As @ruhudsonfan said, perhaps the original point was "a little rough around the edges" but the conversation itself is not "racist" - it's an honest business conversation. Traditionally, caucasian donors are disproportionately represented among colleges and universities. This has been recognized as a legitimate issue and there is a shitload of actual, scholarly work that addresses it.
So yeah - @RUsilencer's point is 100% valid - stated differently, unless Rutgers pushes itself to the forefront of engaging non-traditional ethnic donors, the basic math would suggest that as student and alumni diversity increases, per capita alumni giving will decrease.
Don't hijack this thread please... We need people to understand that you support your university through thick and thin... That's why Psu is better than us. Look at their recent scandals and I bet you they didn't skip a beat in donations. We make fun of their cult... But I wish we had one.
Wow you regret editing that you called me out on a message board What are you a 13 year old girl???
because the administration is committed fully to competing at Penn State and at Rutgers it simply isn't , that's why people are hesitant to donate, the school is not holding their end of the bargain
I regret showing you the decency of not quoting your racist post. I thought you may want to delete it or reword it. Since you've now doubled down, clearly, you are proud of it.
No, no, no, no, no. What you wanted to say to me was: "you're a moron". Please, if you're going to insult my intelligence, at least use proper grammar.
So back to the subject at hand. It would be really helpful if you could share the forecast models to which you're referring so that we might all be able to enlighten ourselves. If you could do that, it would go a long way towards proving that you just wanted to make a statistically accurate racist point as opposed to just your plain old garden variety racist point.
Thanks in advance.
Hey, will you look at that! You got the use of "your" right this time. Congratulations. :clap:
The rest of your post is pretty myopic, but it's still better than your last few. So at least you've got that going for you.
Well, other than that the Huffington Post article manages to make it's point without making negative generalizations about anybody based on race, then sure, it's a great example of what he was trying to say.
If he wanted to talk about demographics or various ethnic groups that would have been the way to talk about that. Instead, he based his opinion on whether people are white or not. He assumes people will or will not donate based solely on skin color. It's plainly racist. He would've been better served by referencing whatever demographics or ethnicities he wanted to discuss. If his opinion is in fact that skin color is the determining factor, he should also offer a reason why they won't give other than that they aren't white. Of course he can't, so we are left with "Rutgers has too many non-whites"
I'm as conservative and as non-PC as they come, but the initial post is so plainly racist that it deserved to be called out. I don't want that crap representing out fan base.
I don't remember RU FB being bad in the 60s through 78....Alex Kroll years,Frank Burns etc...maybe 80-00 and I even think the Graber area was decent...Shea was the dumps though..63 was the year i started following RU at 12 yrs old.....fell in love.
I didn't see anybody proclaimed themselves to be enlightened in this thread. And I wouldn't equate people's understanding of the dictionary definition of the term "racist" with them trying to convey self-enlightenment.
Maybe what he wanted to say wasn't racist. But what he actually said was, indisputably, unarguably racist, based on the definition of the word. Doesn't matter if he had a good point or not. It's still racist. That's not playing the race card, it's being linguistically accurate.
First of all, what on earth does political affiliation have to with anything here? Surely you aren't trying to claim that only liberals care about racism? People of all political persuasions care about racism.
Secondly, you're wrong in your assumption about my political affiliation, not that it's any of your business.
Lastly, I'm not just throwing a term around. I didn't invent the word nor am I misusing it. Look up the word and see for yourself. You guys are trying to reinvent what he actually said as being something he didn't say but might have meant. Maybe you ought to be helping him to say what he actually meant next time.
Had he stated things differently, nobody would've given him a hard time about what he stated. And I didn't give him a hard time about what he stated until he decided to call another poster an idiot. He opened the door to that line of questioning, your honor, and I just walked him through it.
Revisiting this...if you guys aren't aware, the largest Hindu temple in the world is being constructed in Robbinsvill, NJ. All kidding aside, it is an awesome facility - certainly one of the beautiful wonders of New Jersey. Interestingly, this $150mn facility was built through private donations.
I wonder how many of the donors were RU grads.
I don't blame minority alumni - or white alumni for that matter - who do not donate. Honestly, as a Rutgers student, I was not developed as a potential future donor at all. We're any of you? Think about how far down the priority list donating money to RU is for most whites. Then, add to that the alienation from the main happenings that comes with being a minority. You think they are even thinking about Rutgers...or football?
RU needs to find a way not only to admit folks from all different backgrounds, but to be a melting pot for those people. Football is a great way to possibly do that. But as usual, RU is complacent and letting major opportunities go by the wayside.
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/07/21/150-million-akshardham-temple-coming-new-jersey/
People who are in positions to make game changing contributions don't usually get behind causes with mediocre results.
All in all, the fact that RU Athletics raises the money it does, with the results in generates is actually quite praise worthy.
All in all, the fact that RU Athletics raises the money it does, with the results in generates is actually quite praise worthy.
You do realize NJ is financially broke? The State of NJ like Illinois has options and none of them good. The state has close to a 200 Billion deficit for the state worker pensions, which are not going to be paid. Our Debt ratings have been lowered 9 times since Christie got into office, which actually is NOT his fault. We have 50% of NJ's population on some form of public assistance, The wealthy are moving their primary residences out of NJ for the above reasons, a tax hike at this juncture would affect all the following above is a major negative way. So any funding Rutgers gets they should be thankful for because our state is virtually bankrupt and when the SHTF it is going to be ugly.
Add that to the money that Jon VonBlowme donated to ND so his kid could be on the team.
I feel like maybe somebody already made this point, but I think it's a chicken or the egg situation.
The egg is if RU invests in it's own FB program in way that shows seriousness of intent, then perhaps that will motivate more people to donate to the program. Showing serious intent would have to be, I think, through making an expensive, first class coaching hire with a name that even non-obsessed fans would recognize (that we could get such a coaching staff to come here at any price is different argument).
On the other hand, the chicken is that RU may feel that it already invested plenty in the stadium and in Schiano, and that donations didn't improve enough to justify additional investment, at least not investment aimed at increasing donations. I don't know what the jump in donations was, if any, but obviously it wasn't earth-shattering.
It's hard to come up with an answer to any of this that doesn't involve a lot of wishful thinking.
The egg is if RU invests in it's own FB program in way that shows seriousness of intent, then perhaps that will motivate more people to donate to the program. Showing serious intent would have to be, I think, through making an expensive, first class coaching hire with a name that even non-obsessed fans would recognize (that we could get such a coaching staff to come here at any price is different argument).
On the other hand, the chicken is that RU may feel that it already invested plenty in the stadium and in Schiano, and that donations didn't improve enough to justify additional investment, at least not investment aimed at increasing donations. I don't know what the jump in donations was, if any, but obviously it wasn't earth-shattering.
It's hard to come up with an answer to any of this that doesn't involve a lot of wishful thinking.
+1000 I have been saying this for years. If Rutgers really wanted to kick this program into the "Elite" level then it means we are going to have to bite the bullet for 3-5 years and pay up for an elite level coach like a Saban or Meyer caliber. The thing that Ohio State and Alabama's administrations understand is the investment the school makes in the coach adds tens of millions of dollars to the athletic department in the forms of advertising, merchandise, alumni giving, corporate sponsorships, Big donations and so on. For Rutgers, in the largest media market in the world the upside would mean tens of millions in new revenue streams. When RU is finally ready to make the investment, that is when the program will be at the level where it should be.
RU has other examples on campus of successfully developing donors. RU's culture isn't the problem. One only need look to the Business School, Mason Gross, Douglass and many other examples to see well to do donors getting behind pet causes.
Athletics lags because the results aren't very good.
The reality of the situation is athletics is going to need to do more with less until B10 full share kicks in. The only other scenario is RU needs to cultivate a donor on the scale of Maryland and Under Armour and find a billionaire sugar daddy. With that comes a say in how things are done. And if that happens to be a non-alum, they aren't going to be interested in Barchi's gum flapping about "Revenue neutral." They are going to be killers who want results for their money. Not a "college try."
Athletics lags because the results aren't very good.
The reality of the situation is athletics is going to need to do more with less until B10 full share kicks in. The only other scenario is RU needs to cultivate a donor on the scale of Maryland and Under Armour and find a billionaire sugar daddy. With that comes a say in how things are done. And if that happens to be a non-alum, they aren't going to be interested in Barchi's gum flapping about "Revenue neutral." They are going to be killers who want results for their money. Not a "college try."
Okay, so I just threw up in my mouth a little. [sick][laughing]
It seems @Dr. Potato may specialize in colorectal disorders.
Or perhaps it's all about her and gerbils weren't enough.
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