Taggart to Oregon

[vkj91]

Another guy whose fans wanted him gone early on. Here's his HC record at USF
2-10
4-8
8-5
10-2

While at WKU
2-10
7-5
7-5

did a Fleck overplay his hand? Stuck in Kalamazoo for another season?

 

[alex13rufan]

He needed to get his guys in.
It's about recruiting

 

[Knight Shift]

#FreeWillie
Good for Willie Taggart. He did an excellent job at USF.
Don't think Fleck overplayed his hand. What was available in P5? Baylor and Oregon? I'd take Rhule and Taggart over PJ because they are more experienced and have more established track records. WRT to Purdue, Brohm seemed like a better fit, and that will be a tough place to win, so maybe it is best PJ did not get that job. PJ is only 35 years old. He is definitely a hot commodity and will land somewhere this year or next with a big payday. He should get the $$$ he can out of WMU for leverage next year.

 

[vkj91]

#FreeWillie
Good for Willie Taggart. He did an excellent job at USF.
Don't think Fleck overplayed his hand. What was available in P5? Baylor and Oregon? I'd take Rhule and Taggart over PJ because they are more experienced and have more established track records. WRT to Purdue, Brohm seemed like a better fit, and that will be a tough place to win, so maybe it is best PJ did not get that job. PJ is only 35 years old. He is definitely a hot commodity and will land somewhere this year or next with a big payday. He should get the $$$ he can out of WMU for leverage next year.

He was a done deal at Purdue and then he started to hear from bigger names.....they moved on

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

 

[BlockR]

Having Rhule leave and Taggart leave(unless Strong takes USF job) has to help RU down the stretch in recruiting for S.Jersey and FLA.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Great get for Willie, but I won't give him more then 4 years. Recruiting at Oregon will be very hard for him. He did really well at USF, because of his recruiting connections in the I4 corridor and Tampa Bay.
Now, if he can bring those kids across the country, and maintain the connections, well then maybe.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Great recruiters can recruit anywhere.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Another guy whose fans wanted him gone early on. Here's his HC record at USF
2-10
4-8
8-5
10-2

While at WKU
2-10
7-5
7-5

did a Fleck overplay his hand? Stuck in Kalamazoo for another season?

Huge over play by Fleck. He's MAC. He needs to get over that and can't. MAC guys rarely jump to big name jobs.

 

[SirScarlet]

He was a done deal at Purdue and then he started to hear from bigger names.....they moved on

if this is true, then I bet he will start to get viewed a bit more negatively as he's developed a bit of a reputation for this

when he left the NFL, didnt he agree to become the OC somewhere, then took a different job later that same day?

I may have the specifics wrong, but pretty sure there was a public brew-ha-ha over this. it's a small community, and while this stuff is always happening behind the scenes, it seems that maybe he needs to be a bit more polished with how he handles this stuff

I have no inside info, so just spit-balling and trying to connect dots.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

"Great" when did he become "great?" Good, yes. Look at USF's commits, mostly 2 stars, some 3, and 1 4*. So, great? I don't think so.

 

[Knight Shift]

"Great" when did he become "great?" Good, yes. Look at USF's commits, mostly 2 stars, some 3, and 1 4*. So, great? I don't think so.

Yeah, you can never win or even hope to compete with that kind of talent. :rolleyes:
Florida State 55 USF 35
USF 52 Navy 45

 

[BlockR]

Huge over play by Fleck. He's MAC. He needs to get over that and can't. MAC guys rarely jump to big name jobs.

please take a quick lesson in College Football Coaching history and the Mac..cradle of Coaches..
Thank You,
http://www.vandelaysports.com/football/coaches.html#others

 

[BlockR]

"Great" when did he become "great?" Good, yes. Look at USF's commits, mostly 2 stars, some 3, and 1 4*. So, great? I don't think so.

the flip side of the arguement is that Fla recruit two/ three stars turn out to be four star studs later in college..or high three star talent..

 

[Knightmoves]

Having Rhule leave and Taggart leave(unless Strong takes USF job) has to help RU down the stretch in recruiting for S.Jersey and FLA.

Are Temple and USF our competition in recruiting ? I hope not.

 

[Knight Shift]

please take a quick lesson in College Football Coaching history and the Mac..cradle of Coaches..
Thank You,
http://www.vandelaysports.com/football/coaches.html#others

Are any of those guys coaching and/or still alive?
Point was made that guys like Butch Jones (prior CMU), Brian Kelly (prior CMU) and Dantonio went from Cincy to P5 jobs.
And now Al Golden and Matt Rhule used Temple as a stepping stone to P5.
Willie Taggart went from WKU to USF now to P5.
Herman from Houston to UT.

People want to put down the AAC, but the AAC has more panache than the MAC and is a more proven and recent stepping stone.
Can't think of recent examples of MAC coaches who made the leap from MAC and succeeded in P5. But here are three recent ones who have not lit it up:

Darell Hazell? Nope.
Dino Babers? Wait and see.
Dave Doeren? Nope--middling in 4 years at NC State.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

please take a quick lesson in College Football Coaching history and the Mac..cradle of Coaches..
Thank You,
http://www.vandelaysports.com/football/coaches.html#others

Thanks for trying to teach me something I don't know. I didn't bother w the article. I know the premise. Urban Meyer. Blah blah blah

The article Misses that times are different now. The AAC and MwC are far superior and are at a diff step. The MAC lands coaches in Syracuse and wake not Oregon.

Times are different. I suggest you spend less time condescending people on this board who know a bit about football and more time brushing up on it and understanding the differences yourself.

 

[ILOVERUTGERS]

Having Rhule leave and Taggart leave(unless Strong takes USF job) has to help RU down the stretch in recruiting for S.Jersey and FLA.

Temple yes, but with the big time names being floated to USF no

A few names around twitter are Les Miles, Schiano, Strong, and Kiffin

 

[scarlet night]

Doesn't the Schiano family like Tampa and still have a house there? Do you guys see him going there? We know he likes to recruit Florida, would be funny to see him there after his teams were the biggest thorn in their side year after year.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

Doesn't the Schiano family like Tampa and still have a house there? Do you guys see him going there? We know he likes to recruit Florida, would be funny to see him there after his teams were the biggest thorn in their side year after year.

Don't see Lane Kiffin going there. Heard if he doesn't get the Houston gig he'll be LSU's OC next year. I think Charlie Strong would be a top target. If he chooses Cincinnati over them, it's Schiano's to lose.

 

[Shelby65]

have said it before....the #s of top coaches are overwhelmingly slanted toward offensive backgrounds....even the new big hires Herman, Taggart, Brohm. No one's hiring Schiano or Miles. USF will go after Kiffin....and if not him, maybe they hire PJ.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Yeah, you can never win or even hope to compete with that kind of talent. :rolleyes:
Florida State 55 USF 35
USF 52 Navy 45

Not quite sure what you are writing about? I'm referring his ability to recruit the West Coast, and be competitive. He did well at USF, took him a few years, he did get there. Not sure if he can translate that to Oregon. He is a Tampa, Fl guy.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

the flip side of the arguement is that Fla recruit two/ three stars turn out to be four star studs later in college..or high three star talent..

Don't forget that the star system is only meant to show "potential" in players. Doesn't measure personal growth, coaching, desire and heart.

 

[PaKnight]

if this is true, then I bet he will start to get viewed a bit more negatively as he's developed a bit of a reputation for this

when he left the NFL, didnt he agree to become the OC somewhere, then took a different job later that same day?

I may have the specifics wrong, but pretty sure there was a public brew-ha-ha over this. it's a small community, and while this stuff is always happening behind the scenes, it seems that maybe he needs to be a bit more polished with how he handles this stuff

I have no inside info, so just spit-balling and trying to connect dots.

He took the Northern Illinois, his alma mater, OC job when GS left for TB. He quit the next day to join the gang in TB.

 

[BoroKnight]

Huge over play by Fleck. He's MAC. He needs to get over that and can't. MAC guys rarely jump to big name jobs.

You want a list?

 

[BoroKnight]

Thanks for trying to teach me something I don't know. I didn't bother w the article. I know the premise. Urban Meyer. Blah blah blah

The article Misses that times are different now. The AAC and MwC are far superior and are at a diff step. The MAC lands coaches in Syracuse and wake not Oregon.

Times are different. I suggest you spend less time condescending people on this board who know a bit about football and more time brushing up on it and understanding the differences yourself.

You lost me at MWC and far superior. American, yes, but those schools for the most part already were stronger than MAC schools regardless of affiliation. Not sure why it's so different now.

 

[Knight Shift]

Not quite sure what you are writing about? I'm referring his ability to recruit the West Coast, and be competitive. He did well at USF, took him a few years, he did get there. Not sure if he can translate that to Oregon. He is a Tampa, Fl guy.

Don't forget that the star system is only meant to show "potential" in players. Doesn't measure personal growth, coaching, desire and heart.

My reply to your post went on a tangent about "talent" and lack thereof and competing, and the negatoids who dwell on these things for RU. Your second post, particularly the bold part made the point I wanted to make. Things may not be as dire as they seem, and I will eternally see blue skies ahead, even if it is pouring rain at the moment.

 

[BlockR]

story coming out now is that Fleck told Purdue he wanted to Coach the WMU bowl game,Purdue gave him till Sunday to change his mind,he said he wasnt..so they moved onwards..Shocking, a Coach. who cares about his team!
Also for all the PJ Fleck Naysayers..let this sink in if you think he cant coach in the B10..
PJ Fleck has chance to beat 3 B1G teams in 1 season. Per @ESPNStatsInfo, last MAC team to beat 3 major conf. teams in 1 season was 2003 NIU.
Hes not taking a non power five job..
Fleck, according to a report by Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com, could be out of the running at UC. Fleck's representatives told Cincinnati officials the coach wants a Power Five job to the point he wouldn't speak to the Bearcats' hierarchy,

 

[rutgersguy1]

story coming out now is that Fleck told Purdue he wanted to Coach the WMU bowl game,Purdue gave him till Sunday to change his mind,he said he wasnt..so they moved onwards..Shocking, a Coach. who cares about his team!
Also for all the PJ Fleck Naysayers..let this sink in if you think he cant coach in the B10..
PJ Fleck has chance to beat 3 B1G teams in 1 season. Per @ESPNStatsInfo, last MAC team to beat 3 major conf. teams in 1 season was 2003 NIU.
Hes not taking a non power five job..
Fleck, according to a report by Dennis Dodd of CBSSports.com, could be out of the running at UC. Fleck's representatives told Cincinnati officials the coach wants a Power Five job to the point he wouldn't speak to the Bearcats' hierarchy,

I'm not sold on Fleck, his best win was a 6-6 Northwestern team. The MAC is pretty weak with a lot of their better coaches having left over the last handful of years. He's had an excellent season and an undefeated is still quite an accomplishment but it's still a single season. The proof comes with consistency.

That being said I actually think WMU has a decent shot to beat Wisconsin which would be quite a feather in Fleck's cap. Wisconsin can have a tendency to play teams closer than you'd expect both at both ends of the range whether it be Michigan/OSU or Georgia State. So to me they can definitely hang around and if they do then who knows.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Are any of those guys coaching and/or still alive?
Point was made that guys like Butch Jones (prior CMU), Brian Kelly (prior CMU) and Dantonio went from Cincy to P5 jobs.
And now Al Golden and Matt Rhule used Temple as a stepping stone to P5.
Willie Taggart went from WKU to USF now to P5.
Herman from Houston to UT.

People want to put down the AAC, but the AAC has more panache than the MAC and is a more proven and recent stepping stone.
Can't think of recent examples of MAC coaches who made the leap from MAC and succeeded in P5. But here are three recent ones who have not lit it up:

Darell Hazell? Nope.
Dino Babers? Wait and see.
Dave Doeren? Nope--middling in 4 years at NC State.

I wouldn't even call Doeren middling to date. He hasn't had a winning ACC record yet and while his overall record is around .500 if you look at the OOC it's very underwhelming and likely a result of that.

It's the difference between high mid major and low mid major. I'd include Al Golden because Temple was in the MAC back then. Rhule I wouldn't include because Temple is in a high mid major conference now. To me there is a difference between a high mid major HC and low mid major HC with competition level etc..

Sonny Dykes is another name but I don't know if CUSA would be considered low mid major back when he was there before all realignment took place. Now I'd say CUSA is low mid major. I'd say Hugh Freeze might be the most successful HC from the low mid majors without the step in between at a high mid major school. Outside of him though results have been mediocre at best.

If you want to go back a little further maybe Jerry Kill at Minnesota. Gary Pinkel at Missouri but those guys spent a lot of years at the low levels with success. So as I never like to narrow the field I would never be opposed to it but I'd like to see a lot of track record to back it up if you're going to hire straight from a low mid major. Tressel would be another one.

As to Taggart, I think it's a solid choice. He hired Tom Allen too at USF so if he can find a solid DC again, I think he's got a shot to make noise. I don't know why it's considered a tough job. You have just about everything you want outside of some long standing tradition. It's a step below the blue bloods IMO.