Texas has really fallen off

[rutgersdave]

Young team and transitioning to the spread without "experts" has made this year terrible IMO but they still have a couple signs here and there of a team that COULD be good in the future

Is Texas playing a Spread offense now?

 

[rutgersguy1]

Young team and transitioning to the spread without "experts" has made this year terrible IMO but they still have a couple signs here and there of a team that COULD be good in the future

Is Texas playing a Spread offense now?

Yea. He first had Shawn Watson a guy he brought from Louisville to implement it. They weren't using it in Louisville and now Jay Norvell has taken over. He has familiarity with it being at Oklahoma and he was a co-OC there but he didn't call the plays. Plus the other co-OC with him at Oklahoma, former Ok. qb, Josh Heupel, was let go by Stoops for production and replaced by Lincoln Riley from ECU this year. Norvell hasn't called plays since UCLA 8 years ago. So again guys who aren't the best choices to implement it IMO.

Go pluck one of the TCU OCs with a nice raise, Cumbie doesn't call plays maybe he wants the extra responsibility or maybe a big raise will get you Meacham. Maybe someone from the Baylor staff. Kevin Wilson is having a nice year at IU but if it happens to tank and he gets let go he could be someone. He has familiarity with the B12 having been Oklahoma's OC in the past. I think that's Strong's biggest flaw more than anything. He can take care of the defense, although it doesn't seem like it this year, but he needs a strong OC on the other side, especially with a young transitioning team.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/97447/texas-players-welcoming-return-to-spread


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-spread-offense-will-impact-texas-recruiting

http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...watson-texas-longhorns-spread-uptempo-offense

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

If Charlie Strong is here at Rutgers, I would love it if Bill Lazor is his OC. Bill Lazor is another Chip Kelly guy btw.

 

[IvyLeagueFootball]

If Charlie Strong is here at Rutgers, I would love it if Bill Lazor is his OC. Bill Lazor is another Chip Kelly guy btw.

Rutgers tried hiring Lazor a couple years ago when they hired Ron Prince but he chose the QB coaching job with the Eagles instead. He's now the offensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins. The only way I see Bill coming back to college is for a head coaching job.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Unemployment and a nice offer can change a lot.

 

[RoxboroughKnight]

Biggest red flag for Strong is the Texas defense. I know Bridgewater played a big part in making him look good at Louisville, but Strong's reputation was always as a good defensive coach. 5 game in to the season and Texas is giving up 38.2 PPG. I'd be surprised if Texas brings him back next year.

 

[RUPartisan]

Excellent point.....the fast spread system or it's precursor, the run and shoot has resulted in one good starting QB in Andy Dalton over the last 25 years. :rolleyes:

Ok I guess instead of just admitting that you were wrong or you original statement was at the very least silly and uninformed you decided to change the premise of your argument. Even another poster pointed out Tannehill as well which makes 5 QB'S from the original teams you have listed that have been drafted in the last 5 years but if it makes you feel better you can continue to be naive and think NFL execs only want QB'S from "prostyle" college offenses. By the way RG3 was a star before getting hurt in case you have forgotten. Tannehill and Dalton are entrenched starters in a very limited club. Manziel has started games and could be the starter by years end. Petty may or may not have a bright future. But I guess you are right scoring a lot of points in college, winning big games, and getting drafted is not desirable...good argument.

 

[LotusAggressor]

If Charlie Strong is here at Rutgers, I would love it if Bill Lazor is his OC. Bill Lazor is another Chip Kelly guy btw.

Lazor has done a hell of a job in Miami. They can't run or throw the ball at all, and they don't block anybody. He'll fit right in at RU.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Ok I guess instead of just admitting that you were wrong or you original statement was at the very least silly and uninformed you decided to change the premise of your argument. Even another poster pointed out Tannehill as well which makes 5 QB'S from the original teams you have listed that have been drafted in the last 5 years but if it makes you feel better you can continue to be naive and think NFL execs only want QB'S from "prostyle" college offenses. By the way RG3 was a star before getting hurt in case you have forgotten. Tannehill and Dalton are entrenched starters in a very limited club. Manziel has started games and could be the starter by years end. Petty may or may not have a bright future. But I guess you are right scoring a lot of points in college, winning big games, and getting drafted is not desirable...good argument.

Okay, you convinced me. Colleges have been running spread offenses for at least 15 years and AND in the NFL there is exactly one successful long term starter in Andy Dalton, Tannenhill has a chance to be two. I guess 4th round pick Bryce Petty could be a starter one day.

 

[Caliknight]

Players tweeting at half time about transferring. Strong has lost control, if he ever had it.

 

[RUalum2011]

Biggest red flag for Strong is the Texas defense. I know Bridgewater played a big part in making him look good at Louisville, but Strong's reputation was always as a good defensive coach. 5 game in to the season and Texas is giving up 38.2 PPG. I'd be surprised if Texas brings him back next year.

Could also be that Strong's style isn't suited for the Big 12. His defenses might fair better with more traditional offenses like those in the B1G. Think about how Schiano looked against the spread. I think Strong would do well here. He could recruit some NJ kids and get those under the radar FL kids he got at Louisville.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Strong can't handle the bright lights... sorry, winning in LU, where no one is paying attention except when you're winning is one thing -- but at UT it's nothing but pressure --- he hasn't handled it. At RU it would be nothing but pressure (win or lose) - he can't handle it.

I LOL at those who complain that Flood can't recruit, can't coach and has lost control of the current team but Strong would somehow be the solution....... If you can recruit and win at UT with more money than god... you ain't winning in NJ.

 

[Caliknight]

Could also be that Strong's style isn't suited for the Big 12. His defenses might fair better with more traditional offenses like those in the B1G. Think about how Schiano looked against the spread. I think Strong would do well here. He could recruit some NJ kids and get those under the radar FL kids he got at Louisville.

He is having big problems recruiting at Texas, a place that recruits itself. Long odds he could recruit at Rutgers.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Texas has ultra luxury faculties , huge recruiting budget, lots of history with national championships, great academics, etc.

If you can't make it work there then you can't make it work anywhere.

It is looking more and more like he just got lucky with Teddy.

 

[derleider]

Texas has ultra luxury faculties , huge recruiting budget, lots of history with national championships, great academics, etc.

If you make it work there then you can't make it work anywhere.

It is looking more and more like he just got lucky with Teddy.

The guy is Schiano with a better QB situation. He's a great DC. But as an HC - he leaves alot to be desired.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The guy is Schiano with a better QB situation. He's a great DC. But as an HC - he leaves alot to be desired.

And just like him he appears to be throwing sh#@+ against the wall, hoping something will stick with the OC. It is not sticking, it is just hitting the fan and flying back on his face.

Both him and GS are great DC, they really need to go back to doing that like others have. Not everyone can be a HC.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

So, it's decided then? We need Strong as DC and Chip Kelley as OC/HC.

Anyone got $13.5 mill per year lying around?

 

[BoroKnight]

And some people here want Charlie Strong.... he can't compete and his roster is filled with 4 and 5 star recruits.

He's in his second year. Any players he brought in are very young. That program had been declining in recruiting against the rest of the state and conference for several years.

I don't know if he can get it done there or not, but to decide based on 16 games is crazy. Or haven't we learned that yet? I'd take him here in a heartbeat.

 

[koleszar]

He is having big problems recruiting at Texas, a place that recruits itself. Long odds he could recruit at Rutgers.

Where are you getting he can't recruit at Texas you do have the database available on Rivals right. Last year he had 14/ 4 stars and 1/ 5 star. This year so far he has 4/ 4 stars with a verbal commitment. Do a little research. He is having a tough time in the Big 12 because his style doesn't match with how they play. It was a bad match from the start and probably why so many boosters balked at the hire from the start. They have already pushed out the AD after only 22 months and will probably get rid of Strong soon. The Big 12 is for offensive minded coaches only now. All the defenses in that conference are horrible and an after thought. To say Strong couldn't thrive in a more traditional conference(one which actually plays offense as well as defense) is just absurd.

 

[G- RUnit]

He's in his second year. Any players he brought in are very young. That program had been declining in recruiting against the rest of the state and conference for several years.

I don't know if he can get it done there or not, but to decide based on 16 games is crazy. Or haven't we learned that yet? I'd take him here in a heartbeat.

Trending poorly four out of last six years. 7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 1-4 so far this year. Bit more than 16 games.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

I still remember when steer fans told me, incessantly, that A&M could not compete or recruit in the SEC...A&M may not end up in the playoffs, but they have the talent to at least give it a shot!

Weep not for the castrated bovines...they deserve several decades of this (yes, I know that won't happen!)

In a way RU fans can understand...they are the worse of state penn and notre lame rolled into one!

 

[brgossRU90]

I'm not shedding bitter tears for the longhorn faithful.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I don't think he's in as much immediate trouble as people think. I've been skeptical that Texas would want to pay the 15M owed him if he were to be let go regardless of their money. Plus most coaches usually get a minimum of 3 yrs before they're let go or at the very least make it into their 3rd year and may get let go mid season possibly.

ESPN had an article yesterday saying the admin is behind him and so are boosters. So I think he'll get to next year and then after than I think it's possible a change could be made if no improvement is seen.

He's got to figure out his OC issues as I said above. Hire one of the TCU guys, someone from the Baylor staff or maybe the ASU OC or someone like them who have experience running a spread well and take it from there. He should have done that right from the start when he got there and at the very least by this year when he decided to switch to a spread. It may be too late to resurrect by next year but probably his only chance of salvaging things. Needs to fix special teams too, what a mess they've been the last 3 weeks.

So while last week was horrendous they have challenged 2 teams that have been doing well to date this year in Cal and Ok. St. I wasn't on the bandwagon when he was at Louisville when quite a few here were but I wouldn't jump to the other end of the spectrum now because he may fail at Texas. He's not at the top of my list for coaching candidates but he's a solid name provided you make sure he gets his OC issues figured out. Even Patterson had issues replacing Fuente. He fixed them with the 2 guys he brought on last year and things are rolling again, Strong needs to do the same IMO.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...trong-texas-longhorns-support-school-boosters

 

[miketd1]

Teddy B was his offense.