the BS that Flood is a "nice" or stand-up guy...

[scarletrat]

the urban legend about Flood being a good guy is beyond nauseating, and something I think people just throw around without really knowing first hand....I have no idea, and don't care--but suppose in the end, how "standup" is it of him to ignore his academic staff multiple times, deliberately email and then meet with a prof, all for a player that he wanted eligible, at a position we have been very thin and inexperienced at the past few years? Would Flood have done this if Barnwell was 6th on the depth chart at RB?

the more I think about it, he should have been fired...that he didn't know is at best a weak excuse and at worst an outright lie--all from a "standup" guy...

actions speak louder than words...

 

[ScarletDave]

If you've never met him (as in had a few real conversations with him), seen anything he's done off the field, and are writing with the opinions of media members from ESPN, the Record and/or the Star Ledger circling in the back of your head,... Then stop.

 

[ClassOf02]

I actually do think that when you strip it all away, Kyle Flood is most likely a really good, genuine guy. But he got pulled into trap of big time college athletics, was ill-equipped to manage his way through it, and ultimately was corrupted enough to cut corners.

Just further evidence that RU can't go on the cheap when it comes to athletics. It has cost more (in dollars and reputational damage) than it has saved.

 

[willisneverrana43]

the urban legend about Flood being a good guy is beyond nauseating, and something I think people just throw around without really knowing first hand....I have no idea, and don't care--but suppose in the end, how "standup" is it of him to ignore his academic staff multiple times, deliberately email and then meet with a prof, all for a player that he wanted eligible, at a position we have been very thin and inexperienced at the past few years? Would Flood have done this if Barnwell was 6th on the depth chart at RB?

the more I think about it, he should have been fired...that he didn't know is at best a weak excuse and at worst an outright lie--all from a "standup" guy...

actions speak louder than words...

Worth considering. Do you recall Flood's statements the day after the Ledger's report came out? He said that he has contact with professor's all the time. He didn't mention editing papers, personal email, meetings off campus, etc. Knowing that, and knowing now what happened in this instance, should we really believe that this is the only time that Flood did this? Seems unlikely. And do you think that he would have been continuing to do it if he never had any success? This raises some real concerns.

Flood got off easy.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

If you've never met him (as in had a few real conversations with him), seen anything he's done off the field, and are writing with the opinions of media members from ESPN, the Record and/or the Star Ledger circling in the back of your head,... Then stop.

- no one is saying he's not a nice guy, face-to-face, he is, but that's not the end-all-be-all, which too many here tried to make out of it

- "off the field"? He does lots of great things, no doubt, as do MANY coaches, of MANY sports, at MANY schools. You do know that student-athletes are "required" to do 2 hours of community service, per semester, while in scholarship, right? (** unless things have very recently changed) Hence, you're always going to have these goodwill stories around, trust me, I was personally involved in setting these type of events up, for all our scholar-athletes, when I worked for RU. It's awesome - no doubt - but it's not like Flood is the only guy out there doing these things.

- I think most of us are old enough to formulate our own opinions Dave. Some are way off, one way or another, but most of us are pretty much spot-on about the situation at-hand.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Get with the program..

The Kyle Flood Excuse flow chart

1. Cabinet is empty.
2. It was Brock.
3. It was Cohen.
4. It was Rossi.
5. We just matchup badly with teams with winning records.
6. Boys will be boys.
7. Boys will smash girls into concrete.
8. Sandusky and UNC so it's ok to ignore rules.
9. He breaks rules, but you'd invite him to your BBQ.
10. He would come to your BBQ but only if you throw a million yellow flags on the lawn so it feels familiar.

 

[Rutgers 2004]

Get with the program..

The Kyle Flood Excuse flow chart

1. Cabinet is empty.
2. It was Brock.
3. It was Cohen.
4. It was Rossi.
5. We just matchup badly with teams with winning records.
6. Boys will be boys.
7. Boys will smash girls into concrete.
8. Sandusky and UNC so it's ok to ignore rules.
9. He breaks rules, but you'd invite him to your BBQ.
10. He would come to your BBQ but only if you throw a million yellow flags on the lawn so it feels familiar.

Pretty sure you forgot "3 conferences in 3 years" and "the players like him"

 

[letterhead6]

Well my premium post was deleted, so let me say it here.
Private email exchanges
Secret meetings in Princeton
Disregarding two academic advisors
Writing the paper for the failed student
Publicly saying that he is always in touch with professors and teaches classes
Claiming he never knew about the policies

and of course, disgracing our University in addition to losing a friggen game he should have one last week and never landing a top recruit

What he did for Barnwell to play is downright creepy

 

[Mr Magoo]

Well my premium post was deleted, so let me say it here.
Private email exchanges
Secret meetings in Princeton
Disregarding two academic advisors
Writing the paper for the failed student
Publicly saying that he is always in touch with professors and teaches classes
Claiming he never knew about the policies

and of course, disgracing our University in addition to losing a friggen game he should have one last week and never landing a top recruit

What he did for Barnwell to play is downright creepy

Many thought Mike Rice, Fred Hill, and Pernetti were all nice guys too. it doesn't mean he shouldn't be fired.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Coach deserves a second chance. He'll get it this season.

 

[RUInsanity]

Get with the program..

The Kyle Flood Excuse flow chart

1. Cabinet is empty.
2. It was Brock.
3. It was Cohen.
4. It was Rossi.
5. We just matchup badly with teams with winning records.
6. Boys will be boys.
7. Boys will smash girls into concrete.
8. Sandusky and UNC so it's ok to ignore rules.
9. He breaks rules, but you'd invite him to your BBQ.
10. He would come to your BBQ but only if you throw a million yellow flags on the lawn so it feels familiar.

I really don't care if Flood stays or goes. But one thing is certain. You are the biggest vulture on this board. Whether out of stupidity or desparation the guy fvcked up....can't you just leave it at that instead of forwarding your agenda driven dossier in every post since the guy was hired? He's likely not a bad guy but I wonder if it makes you and others feel better to constantly demonize him. I guess this board must be full of saints who never lied, never messed up or talk about how embarrassed they are as they point fingers so readily at Flood's evil ways. Ease up....the guy is going to be dismissed sooner or later.....you will get your wish at long last.

 

[KJ_RU]

Worth considering. Do you recall Flood's statements the day after the Ledger's report came out? He said that he has contact with professor's all the time. He didn't mention editing papers, personal email, meetings off campus, etc. Knowing that, and knowing now what happened in this instance, should we really believe that this is the only time that Flood did this? Seems unlikely. And do you think that he would have been continuing to do it if he never had any success? This raises some real concerns.

Flood got off easy.

He also spent alot of time during that press conference talking about T grades, which gave alot of people the impression that this was what was happening with Barnwell. He knew all along that Barnwell failed that class, his comments about T grades and make up work was an obvious attempt at distracting from what he was actually doing.

People buy everything Flood says and does as saintly because of the image of honesty and integrity he has created. When you look closer, he isn't as saintly as many thought.

 

[RU from Jersey]

Let's not forget that KF did this for Barnwell who just happens to have a brother who is a top recruit. Was he being a good guy or is he getting a little desperate with his lack of "star" recruits. You would have to believe that it would have gone a long way, in getting the younger Barnwell, if he got Nadir eligible.

 

[mikefla]

I really don't care if Flood stays or goes. But one thing is certain. You are the biggest vulture on this board. Whether out of stupidity or desparation the guy fvcked up....can't you just leave it at that instead of forwarding your agenda driven dossier in every post since the guy was hired? He's likely not a bad guy but I wonder if it makes you and others feel better to constantly demonize him. I guess this board must be full of saints who never lied, never messed up or talk about how embarrassed they are as they point fingers so readily at Flood's evil ways. Ease up....the guy is going to be dismissed sooner or later.....you will get your wish at long last.

I agree

I am amazed that some of these people call themselves fans

 

[DJ Spanky]

the BS that Flood is a "nice" or stand-up guy...the urban legend about Flood being a good guy is beyond nauseating, and something I think people just throw around without really knowing first hand....

Sorry to tell you this, but Tyler and I have first hand experience with Coach Flood's character. And the reality matches the "urban legend", as you so quaintly put it.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Sorry Anti-Flood folks, but Nothing in that report says that he is not a nice guy.

The report does says that his judgement stinks and he may not be all that smart.

But, he was never once mean to anyone in that report.

 

[ArminRU]

You people are babies, christ. Yea, he acted pretty shady trying to get a teacher to review some extra work. But he didn't really intimidate anyone and didn't force anyone to do anything. Know what would make Flood not a "nice guy"? If he told Barnwell to go get lost. Barnwell's parents must be pretty impressed with Flood and I bet they feel they owe him something...

 

[NotInRHouse]

No I can't give up the fact that my alma mater, which was known for some time as a school that wins with integrity, is now one that loses without any. At all.

 

[rutex2002]

the urban legend about Flood being a good guy is beyond nauseating, and something I think people just throw around without really knowing first hand....I have no idea, and don't care--but suppose in the end, how "standup" is it of him to ignore his academic staff multiple times, deliberately email and then meet with a prof, all for a player that he wanted eligible, at a position we have been very thin and inexperienced at the past few years? Would Flood have done this if Barnwell was 6th on the depth chart at RB?

the more I think about it, he should have been fired...that he didn't know is at best a weak excuse and at worst an outright lie--all from a "standup" guy...

actions speak louder than words...

Eh shaddup!!

 

[Rutgers 2004]

Sorry Anti-Flood folks, but Nothing in that report says that he is not a nice guy.

The report does says that his judgement stinks and he may not be all that smart.

But, he was never once mean to anyone in that report.

So basically he's forrest gump?

feeble minded - check
has poor judgment - check
takes unnecessary risks for those he is close to - check (forrest had a kid with jenny after her late 60's wild period, after all)
is never mean - check

 

[SAE96]

Whether he is a good guy doesn't matter anymore. He can never rehabilitate his reputation and won't be our coach next year.

I wish people would just move on.

 

[NJbound]

Just give it a rest. Since when did every infraction become a terminatable offense? You don't like him as a coach, fine. But his actions should not result in his dismissal.

 

[RutgersMO]

the urban legend about Flood being a good guy is beyond nauseating, and something I think people just throw around without really knowing first hand....I have no idea, and don't care--

Then why start this thread?

MO

 

[bethlehemfan]

I've seen your comments for years now. I would take him over you 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Would Flood have done this if Barnwell was 6th on the depth chart at RB?

This is a fair point. And if there is an NCAA violation this is the beginning of it. The student in question received something that other students could not.. even other players... simply be being an important player.

Then add to this Flood's telling the instructor that he would be "appreciative" if the player would get the desired grade.

Yeah.. we know it would help the player.. that this shows caring for the player.. but it also maybe helps the win/loss column, Flood's standing and earning potential and so on.

I think the 3 game suspension and fine covers it. I only wish we'd get to see how the team does wit no input by Flood. Meaning, I wish Flood couldn't go to practices and approve the gameplan and so on either.

 

[jonS]

I am sick and disgusted by those who based on this incident suddenly feel justified in questioning Flood's character, honesty , and integrity. I still believe in Flood and know character, sincerity and honesty when I see it. I'm almost 64 and it's been part of my job for the past 35 years or so ( I'm senior counsel for a major international corporation). And believe me , I'm not naive with no idea about what goes on in the athletic world. Everyone makes mistakes , including those on this board , and regrettably even Kyle Flood. Everyone wants a second chance but God forbid if Kyle Flood gets one. Unfortunately in Flood's world , everyone has an agenda and a willing self-righteous media that loves to question and second guess every decision and action ( unless your POTUS but don't get me started on that). My bigger concern is the Rutgers administration that seems unwilling or unable to ever deal with PR issues without making things worse. They adhere to a PC mindset not only when it comes to athletics but university policy and academic direction. There is a reason why the university USNWR ranking has slid considerably over the past 20 years and why Rutgers athletics seems unable to get out of its own way. The problems are driven by the same impulses. No focus , no commitment to excellence , no desire to be the best , no willingness to "tell it like it is" even if it isn't politically correct. Mediocrity is ok. But not to me.....

 

[mullerpesq]

...only a nice guy would be that pathetically bad at cheating!

 

[motorb54]

Some of these Rutgers "fans" are pure ^#*^&%($%.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Plenty in the past have been nice, stupid, and sneaky. Plenty in the future will be as well.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Some of these Rutgers "fans" are pure ^#*^&%($%.

Why? Because they/we don't like/approve of a coach? Nowhere in the "being a fan handbook" does it say you have to love, approve of, or even like, any coach. Sorry. We're here for the team, for the program, and I'll support them 150% of the time, all the time, regardless of anything. The coach? Lots of them out there who are "nice" guys doesn't mean they're all liked.

 

[50 yd line RR]

Why? Because they/we don't like/approve of a coach? Nowhere in the "being a fan handbook" does it say you have to love, approve of, or even like, any coach. Sorry. We're here for the team, for the program, and I'll support them 150% of the time, all the time, regardless of anything. The coach? Lots of them out there who are "nice" guys doesn't mean they're all liked.

I think at this point Coach Flood will be gone by the end of the season the administration basically assured us of that.
I think KF is a pretty genuine individual who probably is in over head. Other than being a very capable assistant coach,what part of his resume would indicate that he would
be prepared for the top spot of this program? A program located in a place like Jersey where they eat their young.
I think the e-mail business is B.S and in most places is a non issue. I am more troubled by the off field antics of the players.
In that respect K.F is a lot like Doug Graber, nice guy but his players had a lot of off field issues too.
The bigger issue to me is the administrations handling of this and any issues that occur here.I really doubt they are capable of
locating , hiring,and supporting a coach with the right pedigree to get this program where it needs (and should be).
As for Coach Flood, he is a very genuine and class guy.
You people are just piling on, come to think of it ,you sound like a lot of the nj.com guys this board is so fond of.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I think at this point Coach Flood will be gone by the end of the season the administration basically assured us of that.
I think KF is a pretty genuine individual who probably is in over head. Other than being a very capable assistant coach,what part of his resume would indicate that he would
be prepared for the top spot of this program? A program located in a place like Jersey where they eat their young.
I think the e-mail business is B.S and in most places is a non issue. I am more troubled by the off field antics of the players.
In that respect K.F is a lot like Doug Graber, nice guy but his players had a lot of off field issues too.
The bigger issue to me is the administrations handling of this and any issues that occur here.I really doubt they are capable of
locating , hiring,and supporting a coach with the right pedigree to get this program where it needs (and should be).
As for Coach Flood, he is a very genuine and class guy.
You people are just piling on, come to think of it ,you sound like a lot of the nj.com guys this board is so fond of.

Never said he wasn't a "nice guy."

 

[ru66]

Face it, for some reason some on here had vendettas against flood even before this stuff. They are now basking in their holier than thou attitudes

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Face it, for some reason some on here had vendettas against flood even before this stuff. They are now basking in their holier than thou attitudes

Nobody WANTS this nonsense right now but that doesn't mean we STILL have to listen to the nonsense, about Flood from his incessant apologists, either. We all want a team that wins in the program we can be proud of off the field. That's it!

 

[ru66]

runuts--personnally what you say is meaningless--who's an apologist??? and who's not?--some would have a complete right to accuse many others as apologists about all the nonsense in the athletic department that has nothing to do with flood- and they are incessant-this is a lot about people who really know nothing about flood's actual character but love being judge and jury

 

[ag67]

Face it, for some reason some on here had vendettas against flood even before this stuff. They are now basking in their holier than thou attitudes

+1. I can never figure out why critics can't be satisfied with pointing out why they think the man is not going to succeed instead of resorting to total character assassination. Can anyone explain this to me? How hard is it to show some class?

It is not enough to think he is not up for the job. You must call him stupid, mean, devious, clueless, etc. IMO such statements say far more negative things about such posters' character than they do about the coach.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

runuts--personnally what you say is meaningless--who's an apologist??? and who's not?--some would have a complete right to accuse many others as apologists about all the nonsense in the athletic department that has nothing to do with flood- and they are incessant-this is a lot about people who really know nothing about flood's actual character but love being judge and jury

Not really sure to whom you're speaking because "runuts' isn't a part of this thread.

That being said some of you guys STILL don't get it: NOBODY CARES what a "nice guy" he is at this point. Many didn't care, prior, but now - to defend him because he MIGHT be a "nice guy" - is laughable and simply makes no sense. Could be the nicest guy since Jesus Christ and it really wouldn't matter. He's a sneak, he's deceitful, and he knowingly broke rules in an attempt to change a player's grade so give MAYBE you need to give the "character" nonsense a rest because it's pretty obvious that his has some flaws (as ALL of ours do).

Thanks and enjoy the game.

 

[NotInRHouse]

OMFG how is ANYONE defending Flood at this point. We had a sterling clean record in terms of cheating and crime before this and Flood just flushed the whole thing on top of being a bad coach.

It is in fact the Flood critics that care about RU, I could give two farts about Flood's reputation that he ruined with his own stupidity but I will be damned if he is going to take down my alma mater with him. He has to go and has to go now.

If he is not fired, I will cease academic donations and not renew my season tix and I am confident that I am among thousands in that boat.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

OMFG how is ANYONE defending Flood at this point. .

This. Freakin' mind-boggling.

 

[BoogieKnight]

I was 100% in Floods corner until I read the report. I do think he's a good man; a good husband, father, teacher and mentor and I think he has a good football mind but I no longer believe he's equipped to be an effective P5 head coach. If it was just an email? That's no big deal. But trying to covertly meet a professor off campus is just ridiculous and the act of a desperate fool. Sorry but he's lost my support because I don't think he can recover from this. I'm pissed this season is a loss before we even play the third game and I place the blame on him as ceo of the program.