Never! I'm certain I know who the QB should be. I've been watching football on TV for decades. So I'm clearly more qualified than the coaching staff.
THE difference in the qb decision question
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My guess is this is what Ash and company see too. Kid has physical tools, but without the mental side put together it may not matter. Seems like Rettig himself may be understanding that based on interview.
I think you saw it correctly. I didn't even think there was a question as to what was happening at the end of the game. And yes, it was clearly much more of a practice/scrimmage than a game.
Suspect that biology will play a huge role in whether or not Oden gets a shot or goes red shirt.
Last/best Ht / Wt listing for him was 6'5" and 190lbs ... that was from last fall's FB season
- maybe he has undergone some maturing of his physique?
if he has - maybe he is coming in at +/- 220lbs ... then maybe they think about letting him get into the mix -
but if he still has a huge bit of filling-out to do and if he needs another year to hang the needed muscle on that frame, he will be held out for future use.
You, alone, are not more qualified than the staff to decide who should start at QB. However, ScarletNation, as a whole, is more qualified. So we should run a poll for seven days. Whoever gets the most votes starts.
Oh great. Now half the forum will think you're serious and I'll be forever defending myself on the topic. lol
Seems to me, the board sarcasm detection rate and general sense of humor the lowest it's been in years. Fire Flood?
So you agree after all Rettig is the one going deep to the end zone.
Well that's better than being a hemorrhoid!
I think I'll go into business fixing these:
I'll solve this issue once and for all. Let's all just admit neither is very good. Stop wasting your time arguing for one over the other. The QB cupboard is bare whether we play spread or Pro-style.
We do not have anyone capable of playing the most important position on the field. Watch the film, neither guy has any accuracy. Balls overthrown, underthrown or behind the receiver. really poor display.
We do not have anyone capable of playing the most important position on the field. Watch the film, neither guy has any accuracy. Balls overthrown, underthrown or behind the receiver. really poor display.
Please excuse me... I have been watching football for 50 years....but what are all these serious flaws that everyone places on Rettig? I guess seeing him in one half of one game against a small time school, plus a intrasquad game...enables dozens of experts to see his serious flaws. Too many rocket scientists here I guess. I did see serious flaws with 1 qb who was given an entire season to play. But stating serious flaws about the other is really ridiculous. Mike Teel looked bad for the first part of his time here. But he had an excellent arm...and we saw his development into a very good qb. We have a qb with an excellent arm who HAS NOT PLAYED.
The opinions of the resident rocket scientists notwithstanding, what about the opinion of one former and one current head coach..?
I understand having firm opinions considering we've seen a whole season of CL's arm strength, decision making, play under pressure and play making abilities.
As to HR, how do we know if he is not any good?
I know this may lead to calls of favoring one over the other, but we've seen HR is such limited mop up duty last year and a spring game where frankly I didn't see much receiver separation, or that great of protection (#90 seemed like he almost got there on every pass) that I don't see how he can be written off. What I've seen has been glimmers of promise and frustrating plays alternately.
Did anyone expect anything different from someone who hasn't played much meaningful fball since hs?
Judging his small body of work and not accounting for lack of snaps seems a little foolish. I realize that there's a desire for making conclusions, but as to one qb we have some significant data. As to the other, I don't see how we do (other than the demonstrated ability to be a weapon from all over the field) until he's played in meaningful games and had the chance to play more than a few series at a time. Just seems a little premature to be writing HR off, especially as it didn't seem like he got the majority of bubble screen calls, but downfield calls. What if he had those short passes---would it open up deep ball more? Don't think we fully know until we see it occur but starting 7 of 7 or so on the last drive gave some promise that he could run the short pass O-and keep the D honest with the threat of the long ball which CL doesn't bring. It's known data vs potential in some sense. In any event I think Ash will try both if the team is getting beat which is comforting. Many around here, myself included, I think are still in the shellshocked Flood mode of whoever gets chosen in August will play it all, which is making these debates so fervent.
As to HR, how do we know if he is not any good?
I know this may lead to calls of favoring one over the other, but we've seen HR is such limited mop up duty last year and a spring game where frankly I didn't see much receiver separation, or that great of protection (#90 seemed like he almost got there on every pass) that I don't see how he can be written off. What I've seen has been glimmers of promise and frustrating plays alternately.
Did anyone expect anything different from someone who hasn't played much meaningful fball since hs?
Judging his small body of work and not accounting for lack of snaps seems a little foolish. I realize that there's a desire for making conclusions, but as to one qb we have some significant data. As to the other, I don't see how we do (other than the demonstrated ability to be a weapon from all over the field) until he's played in meaningful games and had the chance to play more than a few series at a time. Just seems a little premature to be writing HR off, especially as it didn't seem like he got the majority of bubble screen calls, but downfield calls. What if he had those short passes---would it open up deep ball more? Don't think we fully know until we see it occur but starting 7 of 7 or so on the last drive gave some promise that he could run the short pass O-and keep the D honest with the threat of the long ball which CL doesn't bring. It's known data vs potential in some sense. In any event I think Ash will try both if the team is getting beat which is comforting. Many around here, myself included, I think are still in the shellshocked Flood mode of whoever gets chosen in August will play it all, which is making these debates so fervent.
PRACTICE. And the big ten academic team does not mean he is grasping the offense as quick as laviano. Its like anything else - you say rettig is so superior - so PROVE it. The rest of us do not need to find ways to PROVE you wrong, you need to prove your assertion first. and it has not been done.
Listen, as long as HC Ash looks to not be favoring one player at QB (or any position) we'll be OK. He doesn't have a QB selected by him for his Offense on this roster. He can only do what the QBs can execute. Even if we see three or four guys playing QB it's nothing to bitch about because it shows his mind is open. My only problem would be a Flood-like sticking to one QB that is not getting the job done.
To defend this implies that I would prefer Rettig over Laviano; not the case. But, whomever should start,if they are ineffective (as Laviano was at times last season), the other should be given a chance.
To your point, Rettig had ample time to seize the reins in practice and has not done so, but that argument cuts both ways. Laviano has all the snaps and game experience from last year, and yet has been unable to clearly grab hold of the QB competition.
Whoever plays, I hope they succeed, but if they don't, I pray we adjust and try the one with a somewhat different skill set. The idea that we had a QB that didn't find the end zone for 5 games (and again it could be ANY name) and opted to not give the backup experience was mind boggling. Any backup is an injury away from being the starter, it is my hope that a Coach would have found some game time to prepare his backup for that possibility. See, I want the TEAM to succeed whichever individual helps, I'm in. But, I really do believe that we will be employing both, since I just don't think either is "well suited" for the new offense.
If Oden was good enough to start at a B1G school, it wouldn't be Rutgers. Give the kid a year to grow into the game. B1G ain't HS anymore.
Valid points. I agree though about Laviano. Just feel the same about rettig and also feel rettig has unjustifiably been doted over by fans, while Laviano has been loathed by fans. I think neither kid is great at playing QB. Neither deserves the praise/hate they get from their respective parties.
I can only speak for me, but my problem with last year had nothing to do with either player, but the very significant stubborn streak by the Coach. Teams would stack nine in the box, and we'd still try to run, a player struggled and he continued to see the field.
I hope whoever wins does great, but I'm comfortable with either as a backup as well. Until, we have a true dual threat QB these are our QBs, let them each do what they do best.
Actually, it has everything to do with it. If Flood gave Rettig 11 and 1/2 games
then he would have had a a great experience and a much greater learning
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"Neither one is very good." You know this about Laviano, who played 11 1/2 games.
and you know this about Rettig because of that 1/2 in which he did well . We, including you,
have not seen anything in Rettig to say the cupboard is bare. It's not his fault the system
was changed, but there is a real posibility he can grow into it, but I think there is
no chance Laviano is going to grow an arm.
I never said Rettig was superior. In fact, I've been saying all along I just wish we saw ANYONE else come in to give Laviano a break last year. The kid struggled big time. I'm sorry, but we were not so pathetic that we shouldn't have had a passing touchdown in half of the games. Maybe we weren't very good, but I do not believe we were that bad.
Practice serves a purpose for sure. But I'm sorry, I just don't buy that the guy who excels in practice deserves to hold on to the spot for the entire season even if he goes half the season without leading the team into the endzone. There are times you make a switch -- if only to help that starting QB get back on track.
Otherwise, please explain why coaches like Urban Meyer with championship rings are doing wrong...
I am actually hoping for a platoon system at QB to start the season. That is the only way that results on the field will give RU fans an objective opportunity to evaluate what each QB brings to the table.
The first 3 games, Washington, Howard and New Mexico should give us a good idea who should the the starter in the B1G opener in game 4 vs Iowa. Let them decide it on the field.
The first 3 games, Washington, Howard and New Mexico should give us a good idea who should the the starter in the B1G opener in game 4 vs Iowa. Let them decide it on the field.
It is truly amazing that you know that had Rettig played last year he would have been great. On what are you basing that assessment. I agree he should have played on many occasions and if he had he would have had some experience handling the actual game speed but that experience would have been in a pro style huddle after every play run first offense. This is a totally different system. If he is so good and Laviano is so bad why hasn't he at least separated himself by now. He needn't have won the job by now but someone who's experience had he played last year would have been great (your words not mine) should at least be in the lead for the starting spot by now. He is obviously not as good as you guys think. Neither is Laviano and Rettig is still having trouble taking the job. Just because he wasn't Flood's guy doesn't make him better. And maybe his having played more last year might have helped but not nearly as much as you believe, why? Because neither of them are dual threat QB's which is what this system needs and nothing theybwouldnhave experienced last year would help prepare them for this system.
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You could also argue given Rettig's more talented arm, that the fact he is slightly behind also speaks volumeS.
It is not important to give the fans and objective opportunity to evaluate the QB's.
Why does everyone refer to Laviano looking better in practice. Who cares? He doesn't look good in games when it matters and this year without carroo padding his stats do you really think he'll be better? His yards are all going to come from YAC yards from Grant.
Rettig isn't proven better but Laviano has proven he's not the answer. Let the big recruit with the big arm have his shot. We need a QB who can make some big throws to put up points if we are going to win some games and that's Rettig not Laviano
Rettig isn't proven better but Laviano has proven he's not the answer. Let the big recruit with the big arm have his shot. We need a QB who can make some big throws to put up points if we are going to win some games and that's Rettig not Laviano
Neither of them have proven a thing in this system with this staff. Just because Laviano did not produce in last years system with a boring run based offense and a weak o-line doesn't mean a thing to Ash. He wants the QB who will run this system the best. If it turns out to be Rettig, fine. If it is Laviano, fine. It may be Oden but whoever it is the decision will be based on this year and this year alone. Last year will have no bearing on the decision.
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YES - "He wants the QB who will run this system the best."
That will be the paramount factor - the choice will be the QB who is viewed as being able to reliably & adeptly run this system so that the other 10 players on the offense progressively come together and really systematically operate as a coordinated unit.
Ash is implementing a new 'system' and it is essential that the entire offense evolve to the point where things are crisp, precise and automatic - where everybody is hitting their marks like an 11 person high-wire acrobatic squad.
It is a complex process - but at this stage, Ash may go with a crisp & reliable operator of the 'system' (even if he has a "lower ceiling ") - rather than a guy who shows some more flashes of talent - but frequently goes off script / by-passes (or is yet to grasp) the nuances of the system / and is possibly perceived as operating in a way that does very little to move the other 10 players on the offense toward greater systematic mastery of this very important new system.
If you thought last year's O-line was weak, this year's contains a lot more question marks. Thankfully, I really think between Parker and Blazek, these guys will be ready. It might also help that I don't think we're planning runs up the middle with 9 in the box. You know, for a former math teacher, you would think that would be a simple math problem, too bad Flood never figured it out.
LMAO.
they both have faults and strengths. Both are always not the best to run this offense. However, someone who is will be coming this Summer (red shirt unless the current QBs really stink it up). We can have more QBs that are perfect fits for this system (on paper anyway) coming as well in due time.
This will not be an issue two years from now when we will start to see Ash's full vision start to take hold.
For this season it will be a transitional year, hopefully we will see improvements from last year even if the win/loss record is similar.
This will not be an issue two years from now when we will start to see Ash's full vision start to take hold.
For this season it will be a transitional year, hopefully we will see improvements from last year even if the win/loss record is similar.
How can it have a lot more question marks? We lost one guy, probably out best, but everyone else is back.
My bad, I forgot which year we graduated a bunch; guess it was the year before last.
Regardless, I get a much better feel for Coach Blazek than any of our recent O-line coaches. I remember guys were amped for Browning, but I wasn't overly impressed. I love Blazek's energy and the fact that he cut his teeth in the B1G.
Coach Ash is a master manipulator. From the beginning, he's set this up for Rettig to be the starter. He know's Laviano was the starter and thus popular with the players so he couldn't just dethrone him suddenly after only a few practices. He also knows Laviano wouldn't have taken it well due his personal immaturity. So coach is bringing him down gradually and giving Rettig a chance to leave no doubt about his superior ability. Coach saw plenty of Laviano last year to know he cannot win with him behind center. He knows Rettig will work his butt off to improve and win the job. He needs Rettig motivated over the summer and through camp to be the best he can possibly be. Think about it for a second... Was there any way Ash was going to name Rettig a starter this Spring regardless of how good he played in practice or scrimmages? There was not.
