The Most Successful NJ Recruits Have Stayed In NJ and Played for RU

[pmvon]

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...big_ten_program_has_sent_mo.html#incart_river

More NJ recruits have gone pro having played at RU than the rest of the Big Ten combined.

 

[klemman]

That's one of those stats that you have to take with a grain of salt. Kind of like, "There are more former three star athletes in the NFL than former five stars."

Having said that NJ is full of high caliber talent and if Rutgers can find a way to keep the higher rated ones home will certainly lead to more success in the field.

 

[pmvon]

That's one of those stats that you have to take with a grain of salt. Kind of like, "There are more former three star athletes in the NFL than former five stars."

Having said that NJ is full of high caliber talent and if Rutgers can find a way to keep the higher rated ones home will certainly lead to more success in the field.

Why do we have to take with a grain of salt? Walker tweeted that the most successful leave the state. That is simply not true. Of course, you can look at the # of kids recruited to RU from NJ and the # to the BIG from NJ. My sense without looking at that # is that it would be pretty close.

 

[pmvon]

2005

Jerome Hayes – PSU

Dennis Landolt – PSU

Marcus Wilson – Iowa

Domenic Natale – MSU

Garrett Graham – Wisconsin

Jabu Lovelace – RU

Malcolm Jenkins – OSU

Corey Wootton – Northwestern

Anthony Scirrotto – PSU

3 Maryland


2006

Kenny Britt – Rutgers

Lou Eliades – PSU

Kordell Young – Rutgers

Shamar Graves – Rutgers

Brett Brackett – PSU

Ryan Dimperio – RU

George Johnson – RU

Johnnie Troutman – PSU

Cedric Jeffries – PSU

Matt Hardison – RU

Jesse Cisco – RU

Doug Klopaz – PSU

Jack Corcoran – RU

Mo Lange – RU


10 of 26


2007

Anthony Davis – RU

Manny Abreau – RU

Mason Robinson – RU

Keith Newell – RU

Wayne Thomas – RU

Hutchins – RU

Malcolm Harris – Purdue

Lane – RU

Silvestro – RU

Gravesande – Purdue

Stapleton – RU

5 Maryland

19 out of 42

2008

Fitzgerald – Michigan

Smith – Michigan

Forst – RU

Witherspoon – Michigan

White – RU

Wright – RU

Legrand – RU

Crawford – PSU

Hamm – RU

Beckford – Purdue

Roberts – Purdue

Jones – RU

Shimko - RU

26-55

So 26 out of 55 NJ kids that went to BIG schools went to RU through 2008 classes. 26 out of 48 if you exclude Maryland. Anywhere from 47 to 54% of NJ kids went to BIG schools yet 60% of kids drafted to the NFL which should include these classes went to RU. So, at least according to this data, it is a myth that it is better to leave the state.

 

[WhiteBus]

What is the definition of "going pro"? Being on an inflated roster for mini camps isn't being on an NFL team.

 

[pmvon]

What is the definition of "going pro"? Being on an inflated roster for mini camps isn't being on an NFL team.

Boy we have some great fans. Every time someone posts something positive, a bunch of negative nancies come out of the woodwork. Keep giving the other guy the ammo.

12 guys to the nfl, versus 8 everyone else combined. Isn't that great?

 

[Blueblood4eva]

No matter how little success they had in the NFL, these numbers are all before Flood and meaningless to our current issue.

 

[WhiteBus]

Boy we have some great fans. Every time someone posts something positive, a bunch of negative nancies come out of the woodwork. Keep giving the other guy the ammo.

12 guys to the nfl, versus 8 everyone else combined. Isn't that great?

It was a legit question to which I was asking. Being on the preseason roster isn't being in the NFL. The numbers can improve for Rutgers based on that definition...did you ever think of that?

 

[biazza38]

I think the point of Barthel's post is to show that you really are not improving your chances of going pro by going somewhere like a UMich or OSU. Obviously we have more NJ recruits. But the point is that RU gives you just as good of shit at going pro as any other B1G school.

 

[nirrad]

These guys need to stay home

 

[huskersalways]

Nebraska's number should be 0. NU never had a draft eligible player from NJ in that time frame and only had 1 player from NJ during that time and he quit the team after 1 year.(DJ Singleton)

 

[Abro1975]

Richie Glover never had the NFL career us NJ Giant fans had hoped for, lol. Mike Rozier did ok.

Nebraska's number should be 0. NU never had a draft eligible player from NJ in that time frame and only had 1 player from NJ during that time and he quit the team after 1 year.(DJ Singleton)

 

[pmvon]

I think the point of Barthel's post is to show that you really are not improving your chances of going pro by going somewhere like a UMich or OSU. Obviously we have more NJ recruits. But the point is that RU gives you just as good of shit at going pro as any other B1G school.

Yes, that is the point. The numbers I presented suggest an even better chance. Of course we have more guys from jersey but the % is what matters. This refutes the bs story being told to recruits.

 

[pmvon]

It was a legit question to which I was asking. Being on the preseason roster isn't being in the NFL. The numbers can improve for Rutgers based on that definition...did you ever think of that?

Did you read the article, most of the 12 are major producers

 

[WhiteBus]

Did you read the article, most of the 12 are major producers

Which was my point! Counting a guy from Michigan who was the preseason roster doesn't compare to the starters from Rutgers.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The article is referring to being drafted- that is an obvious far cry from only being on a pre season camp.

Btw- up above with the list of the 2005 NJ players- I see one missing that spent 3+ years in the NFL.

 

[klemman]

2005

Jerome Hayes – PSU

Dennis Landolt – PSU

Marcus Wilson – Iowa

Domenic Natale – MSU

Garrett Graham – Wisconsin

Jabu Lovelace – RU

Malcolm Jenkins – OSU

Corey Wootton – Northwestern

Anthony Scirrotto – PSU

3 Maryland


2006

Kenny Britt – Rutgers

Lou Eliades – PSU

Kordell Young – Rutgers

Shamar Graves – Rutgers

Brett Brackett – PSU

Ryan Dimperio – RU

George Johnson – RU

Johnnie Troutman – PSU

Cedric Jeffries – PSU

Matt Hardison – RU

Jesse Cisco – RU

Doug Klopaz – PSU

Jack Corcoran – RU

Mo Lange – RU


10 of 26


2007

Anthony Davis – RU

Manny Abreau – RU

Mason Robinson – RU

Keith Newell – RU

Wayne Thomas – RU

Hutchins – RU

Malcolm Harris – Purdue

Lane – RU

Silvestro – RU

Gravesande – Purdue

Stapleton – RU

5 Maryland

19 out of 42

2008

Fitzgerald – Michigan

Smith – Michigan

Forst – RU

Witherspoon – Michigan

White – RU

Wright – RU

Legrand – RU

Crawford – PSU

Hamm – RU

Beckford – Purdue

Roberts – Purdue

Jones – RU

Shimko - RU

26-55

So 26 out of 55 NJ kids that went to BIG schools went to RU through 2008 classes. 26 out of 48 if you exclude Maryland. Anywhere from 47 to 54% of NJ kids went to BIG schools yet 60% of kids drafted to the NFL which should include these classes went to RU. So, at least according to this data, it is a myth that it is better to leave the state.

So PMVON, I don't feel like looking up each of these players. So does your list consist of all NJ players who went to Big 10 schools versus all NJ kids who went to RU, or versus all the NJ kids who went to RU who were also drafted?

 

[WhiteBus]

The article is referring to being drafted- that is an obvious far cry from only being on a pre season camp.

Btw- up above with the list of the 2005 NJ players- I see one missing that spent 3+ years in the NFL.

Than you leave out undrafted RU players that have made teams. RU has been very successful at that.
Who cares if someone is drafted. If they don't make the September roster they aren't an NFL player. Like kids in spring training in baseball who get sent down to the minors every year.

 

[ddsmugs]

So why were the numbers of going to the NFL not higher before Schiano? Some people want to say its because we have more NJ players. Well didn't we have a lot of NJ players before Schiano? Schiano changed the culture and Flood is continuing the trend of more players going to NFL. That is the point EJ was making.

 

[klemman]

I think the point of Barthel's post is to show that you really are not improving your chances of going pro by going somewhere like a UMich or OSU. Obviously we have more NJ recruits. But the point is that RU gives you just as good of shit at going pro as any other B1G school.

Here's where I'll disagree somewhat.. It's a true that a great player at any program will get a chance for the NFL in this day and age. But at OSU they've had running backs such as Boom Herron get drafted despite failing to get 1000 yards his senior year. They had a receiver, Evan Spencer, who had a career high 15 catches- for the season, get drafted. They had a linebacker drafted three years ago by the Patriots who never started and rarely played a regular down, only playing special teams. That player is still with New England.

If you start at OSU you will most likely get drafted or an invite to a camp. At an OSU pro day in most years, you get more scouts in attendance than most schools because of the number of quality players and potential high draft picks. OSU or similar programs offer more exposure and a benefit of the doubt.

 

[yesrutgers01]

WB- you have easily become the most negative miserable poster on the site.

First- all I said is the article being reference is talking about "drafted" since 2009. If you don't take that as a fair barometer then this is no discussing with you.
In the other hand, Rutgers is very good at(as you said) at putting unstaffed players on to the @real" roster, which is also a great positive.

But lastly and what I am referring to, who the hell are you to knock any player in football who has for even a single camp or OTA worn a NFL uniform or now even make light of a baseball player who gets called up for any reason.
Is it jealousy or do you have such a high opinion of yourself. And if by chance you had a long fine career in the NFL or MLB, please let me know so at least I can understand how you can look down on either accomplishment.

 

[WhiteBus]

WB- you have easily become the most negative miserable poster on the site.

First- all I said is the article being reference is talking about "drafted" since 2009. If you don't take that as a fair barometer then this is no discussing with you.
In the other hand, Rutgers is very good at(as you said) at putting unstaffed players on to the @real" roster, which is also a great positive.

But lastly and what I am referring to, who the hell are you to knock any player in football who has for even a single camp or OTA worn a NFL uniform or now even make light of a baseball player who gets called up for any reason.
Is it jealousy or do you have such a high opinion of yourself. And if by chance you had a long fine career in the NFL or MLB, please let me know so at least I can understand how you can look down on either accomplishment.

WTF are you talking about. Negative?? I'm supporting a position that makes Rutgers numbers MORE impressive than the crap in that article. How the F is that negative??

 

[pmvon]

More evidence that it is a false statement that the most successful go out of state.

Here is the breakdown of each school's representation on the All-Big Ten first-team.

•Ohio State: 8

•Michigan State: 5

•Penn State: 3

•Rutgers: 3

•Maryland: 2

•Wisconsin: 2

•Illinois: 1

•Indiana: 1

•Minnesota: 1

•Nebraska: 1

•Northwestern: 1

•Iowa: 0

•Michigan: 0

•Purdue: 0

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Very nice.. now DRILL this information into every prospects head.. as well as those of his friends and family... (of course the negative nancys who frequent this board might just say it means the star recruits should just go to the SEC)

 

[miketd1]

Here's where playing pro-style on both sides of the ball really factors in.

And I say that as a spread offense and pressing wide-9 (read: simple) defense proponent.

 

[rutgersdave]

I think that recruits that go to Rutgers have a better chance in the NFL is because Rutgers doesn't have great or good players are every position. They have too work harder to compensate for other playersand that's where they get their work ethics. However, the numbers shown are a little misleading since before 2009 Schiano did a good job of shutting off the recruits from the big Ten.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I think the point of Barthel's post is to show that you really are not improving your chances of going pro by going somewhere like a UMich or OSU. Obviously we have more NJ recruits. But the point is that RU gives you just as good of shit at going pro as any other B1G school.

It is just propaganda that all it is. If he wanted to show you have as good shot of going pro at Rutgers as of UMich and OSU he would post the percentage of NJ player at those schools who went pro. That would be meaningful statistic. It just the games people play in recruiting. All schools and coaches do it.

 

[cjrugger]

I think that recruits that go to Rutgers have a better chance in the NFL is because Rutgers doesn't have great or good players are every position. They have too work harder to compensate for other playersand that's where they get their work ethics. However, the numbers shown are a little misleading since before 2009 Schiano did a good job of shutting off the recruits from the big Ten.

The numbers are misleading for a variety of reasons

 

[pmvon]

The numbers are misleading for a variety of reasons

what exactly is so misleading? I showed the # and % of NJ kids that went to BIG schools and then cited the article that showed the # of NJ kids that were drafted from each school.

At a bare minimum, it refutes the claim that the most successful kids leave the state with success being defined as being drafted.

why is it so hard for fans on this board to be fans.....

 

[cjrugger]

You cited HS classes 05-09, the tweet said since 2009. So you're missing a lot of data

And these numbers don't tell the story anyway. NFL teams don't care where a drafted player went to High School. OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc put more players into the NFL than Rutgers, it doesn't matter what state they came from.

 

[RU205]

You cited HS classes 05-09, the tweet said since 2009. So you're missing a lot of data

And these numbers don't tell the story anyway. NFL teams don't care where a drafted player went to High School. OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc put more players into the NFL than Rutgers, it doesn't matter what state they came from.

The point is that RU has been trying to keep the top rated NJ players home instead of going to PSU, OSU or Michigan. Without landing the top ranked NJ players year after year, RU is still putting more NJ players in the draft. The message from a recruiting standpoint to NJ players is to stay home and your can get drafted.

 

[pmvon]

You cited HS classes 05-09, the tweet said since 2009. So you're missing a lot of data

And these numbers don't tell the story anyway. NFL teams don't care where a drafted player went to High School. OSU, Michigan, PSU, etc put more players into the NFL than Rutgers, it doesn't matter what state they came from.

Uh, the 05 to 09 classes are the ones that get drafted 09 and after. So, no not missing a lot of data.

The question is not whether NFL teams care or not about where a kid grew up. The question is whether Kareem Walkers tweet about the most successful having left the state is true. Versus BIG competition it is not, it is false. In fact, the data shows the opposite to be true.

Of course, throughout history PSU has put more people in the league but not in the modern era of Rutgers football which is all that matters today.

 

[cjrugger]

The point is that RU has been trying to keep the top rated NJ players home instead of going to PSU, OSU or Michigan. Without landing the top ranked NJ players year after year, RU is still putting more NJ players in the draft. The message from a recruiting standpoint to NJ players is to stay home and your can get drafted.

Yeah I understand, and its a great message. But like all sales and marketing presentations, it uses the numbers that make you look good, and leave out the ones that don't. Everybody does it

Pmvon- youre missing the HS classes of 2010, 11, 12. And if you want to disprove his tweet, you need to use all conferences, not just the B1G

 

[miketd1]

Yeah I understand, and its a great message. But like all sales and marketing presentations, it uses the numbers that make you look good, and leave out the ones that don't. Everybody does it

Pmvon- youre missing the HS classes of 2010, 11, 12. And if you want to disprove his tweet, you need to use all conferences, not just the B1G

1.) Kinda like quietly taking down a certain statue, amirite?

2.) Wrong. The tweet specifically limits its scope to the B1G. Citing all conferences would actually not disprove it. I am the richest man in the world in my chair. Betcha you can't disprove it.

 

[pmvon]

Yeah I understand, and its a great message. But like all sales and marketing presentations, it uses the numbers that make you look good, and leave out the ones that don't. Everybody does it

Pmvon- youre missing the HS classes of 2010, 11, 12. And if you want to disprove his tweet, you need to use all conferences, not just the B1G

2010 class is still playing, Mera for example.

Is it or is it not true compared to BIG schools?

I suppose someone could go through the work of looking at it for all schools on % basis, but let just look at the fact that 36 kids were recruited to RU from 05 to 09 classes and 12 were drafted by the NFL. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that 1/3 of all NJ recruits were not drafted by the NFL over that same time period. If I include the 2010 class 46 kids were recruited to RU and 12 were drafted which is slightly greater than 25%. Again, I would be willing to bet a lot of money that 25% of all NJ recruits were not drafted over that time period.

There is enough data to refute the claim. And you do a disservice to the university by claiming it is just some marketing BS.....

 

[klemman]

The fault in the OP is it doesn't consider the numbers of NJ players who went to Rutgers but didn't make it into the NFL in his analysis.

The anti-Walker tweet crowd is taking his comment way too literally and way too personally.

There is a lot to sell Rugters with to the state's top prospects. Going to Rutgers gives you a better chance of going to the NFL as the conferences traditional powers isn't open of them.

 

[pmvon]

The fault in the OP is it doesn't consider the numbers of NJ players who went to Rutgers but didn't make it into the NFL in his analysis.

The anti-Walker tweet crowd is taking his comment way too literally and way too personally.

There is a lot to sell Rugters with to the state's top prospects. Going to Rutgers gives you a better chance of going to the NFL as the conferences traditional powers isn't open of them.

Did you attend university? When citing the % of those that were drafted to the NFL it includes those that did not get drafted to the NFL.

No one is taking anything too personal. What I simply did was refute false claims by recruits who were likely told that by some BS recruiter from another school. You should try to do the same instead of getting on their side.

 

[cjrugger]

1.) Kinda like quietly taking down a certain statue, amirite?

2.) Wrong. The tweet specifically limits its scope to the B1G. Citing all conferences would actually not disprove it. I am the richest man in the world in my chair. Betcha you can't disprove it.

What tweet are you talking about? The below says nothing about the big ten

@_KareemWalker
You don't gotta stay in your state to put on for your state. Most successful people got away and came back

 

[cjrugger]

2010 class is still playing, Mera for example.

Is it or is it not true compared to BIG schools?

I suppose someone could go through the work of looking at it for all schools on % basis, but let just look at the fact that 36 kids were recruited to RU from 05 to 09 classes and 12 were drafted by the NFL. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that 1/3 of all NJ recruits were not drafted by the NFL over that same time period. If I include the 2010 class 46 kids were recruited to RU and 12 were drafted which is slightly greater than 25%. Again, I would be willing to bet a lot of money that 25% of all NJ recruits were not drafted over that time period.

There is enough data to refute the claim. And you do a disservice to the university by claiming it is just some marketing BS.....

But 2010, 11 and 12 players have been drafted

I count 46 NJ signees from your 2005-09 recruiting classes. And if any of the 12 Rutgers draftees were from before 2009 (2005 guy drafted in 2008 for example) your percentage would be even lower

 

[WhiteBus]

The fault in the OP is it doesn't consider the numbers of NJ players who went to Rutgers but didn't make it into the NFL in his analysis.

The anti-Walker tweet crowd is taking his comment way too literally and way too personally.

There is a lot to sell Rugters with to the state's top prospects. Going to Rutgers gives you a better chance of going to the NFL as the conferences traditional powers isn't open of them.

What the OP, the article ignores and what Yes is too stupid to understand that Rutgers has put another 18 players into the NFL via free agency since 2009. Not on preseason roster but in season rosters.
Rutgers players have an advantage because many stay 4/5 years, play right away and play NFL schemes are more ready for the NFL than their counterparts who sat for years or didn't play in a pro offense or defense.

 

[Caliknight]

Boy we have some great fans. Every time someone posts something positive, a bunch of negative nancies come out of the woodwork. Keep giving the other guy the ammo.

12 guys to the nfl, versus 8 everyone else combined. Isn't that great?

Our fan base on average needs a significant rise in program IQ.