Ok, so lets include 2011 even though there are many of those guys still playing, that would be 13 more NJ kids staying for a total of (lets include Burton who was a walk on) to 60. 12 of 60 players is 20%. Do you think 20% of all NJ players have been drafted over the same time period? Even if the number is even, it still refutes the claim that those that leave the state do better as measured by being drafted.
The Most Successful NJ Recruits Have Stayed In NJ and Played for RU
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Ok, so lets include 2011 even though there are many of those guys still playing, that would be 13 more NJ kids staying for a total of (lets include Burton who was a walk on) to 60. 12 of 60 players is 20%. Do you think 20% of all NJ players have been drafted over the same time period? Even if the number is even, it still refutes the claim that those that leave the state do better as measured by being drafted.
The point of his post is to put his program in the best possible light to sell the product. Which is exactly what he should be doing as a recruiting coordinator. It's all spin, so he's doing what he should be doing to draw attention to the positive aspects of what Rutgers has done.
Ultimately though, it doesn't really prove anything.
I don't know. You could use the below list as a starting point if you'd like to do the math
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/tOm58I...more-nfl-draft-picks-in-the-last-21-years.htm
WTF? Yes it proves you have just a good a shot of going to the league playing at RU as you do elsewhere. Pretty important, as I think there is a general view that you have a better shot elsewhere.
24 off that list of which 9 were from RU. There were 140 non RU recruits from 05 to 11. We currently have 15 from that list which is about 10%. That means we would have to come up with another 13 over 6 recruiting classes from outside major programs that were drafted. Possible, yes. Still gets to the point. Its a myth that you are better off going out of state to play.
I don't have the data but it would be more enlightening to me to see percetnages instead of raw numbers. I would have suspected that RU has more NJ kids in the NFL compared to other schools because RU simply has more NJ kids on their team than any other school. Just like I would suspect LSU has more Louisiana kids in the NFL than any other school.
If RU has 12 out of 80 kids in the NFL and PSU has 3 out of 6, well it would seem PSU is better at putting a NJ kid in the NFL than RU. But again, I don't have the figures so I don't really know one way or the otehr.
If RU has 12 out of 80 kids in the NFL and PSU has 3 out of 6, well it would seem PSU is better at putting a NJ kid in the NFL than RU. But again, I don't have the figures so I don't really know one way or the otehr.
Uhm, I was referring to the tweet (& corresponding infogram) that is the subject of the OP
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And I'm not getting into parsing out Kareem's tweet. If he thinks he's repping NJ by going to OSU, more power to him. 99.9999999% of the rest of the world won't even know he's from NJ.
You are kidding right? The above posts are in %'s. There are 60 kids from NJ that went to RU from 05 to 11. 12 of those kids were drafted for 20%. There are still kids from the 2011 class that are playing today and that could get drafted, so the number can only go up.
140 other recruits from NJ based upon rivals rankings by state in those classes. To equal RU, there would need to be 28 drafted players equaling 20% of the 140. We know that there are 15 from 23 major high school programs in NJ. 13 others seems possible but not assured and the missing data point.
Those numbers, that Rutgers has had more New Jersey kids drafted than the rest of the conference combined, don't mean anything. Yes, if you're an NFL talent, Rutgers can and will get you to the league.
But, if you're a New Jersey recruit and I'm the Ohio State coach recruiting you, bring that up to me and you know what I say? So what. Ohio State had 1 recruit from that time frame from New Jersey and he went in the first round. Ohio State has 34 draft picks over that time frame to 19 from Rutgers. You want to have the best opportunity to make the NFL, come to Ohio State.
Now, that doesn't really mean anything either. Ohio State has had more talent over that time frame that Rutgers, and if you're an NFL player, they'll find you at Rutgers or Ohio State (or Northwestern, Purdue, any Big Ten program) without too much trouble. But it's sales. So you spin the facts to put the best foot forward for your program. Which is all this is.
This board sucks. Every other thread is how RU can't recruit, Flood can't recruit, this staff needs to do more, they can't land top NJ players, etc, etc, etc...
Here is the actual recruiting coordinator trying the put out a message to the top NJ recruits and everyone here bitches.
Here is the actual recruiting coordinator trying the put out a message to the top NJ recruits and everyone here bitches.
Pmvon is trying to disprove Kareem Walkers tweet, he says so in post 3. No one has said Barthel's tweet is incorrect, just misleading
Don't hurt yourself facepalming
Again, why is it misleading? What is misleading is to suggest that leaving gives you a better shot at success. He is refuting that claim. There is enough data presented in this thread to make that conclusion. Why you and others continue to poor cold water on it is beyond me.
yes, 12 may have been drafted but how many of them are still on active rosters in the NFL about half. What would be interesting to see is each B1G schools level of NJ players in he NFL over his period whether drafted or undrafted free agent.
Nosoj.. what you are missing is that Rutgers is trying to correct the impression that you cannot get to the NFL by staying home and playing for Rutgers.
Everything you say might be correct.. but it is still important for Rutgers to get this message out.
Everything you say might be correct.. but it is still important for Rutgers to get this message out.
No, not the point. The point is RU gets you to the next level just as much as the other guy. What you do with it then is up to you.
It was a hole. Rutgers prepares players for the NFL better than most teams. Look at all the free agents from RU that have actually made NFL 55 man rosters. I don't know why you and Yes can't figure this out other than you two are just stupid!
Forget who gets drafted. It matters who makes the final roster otherwise you are not an NFL player.
Your the one calling me out, yes you're the a hole. Why don't you actually add some thought to this thread instead of a one line post just to attack me. That's what makes you an a hole.
You and Yes are so self absorbed with yourselfs that it's more important to go out of your way to attack someone instead of adding to the conversation.
The fact that neither of you can comprehend that fact the Rutgers is actually putting many undrafted free agents into the NFL escapes you because you have to attack someone instead. Total loser!
Right. He's doing exactly what he should be doing, which is finding every angle and spin he can to put his program in the best possible light. I'm not faulting the Recruiting Coordinator at all for putting it out there, he's just doing his job to sell the program. Kudos to him for finding the best numbers to broadcast.
I'm just not connecting the dots on how that relates to the topic of the thread. When you have almost 15 times as many players in the pool (43 currently) as your competitors (Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State - 3 each) you should have more draft picks.
Honestly, I can't state this enough times and for the last time. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The rest of the BIG has more recruits than RU and RU has more draftees relative to the rest of the BIG. You are right, each school by itself would have less but in total RU has a higher % of draftees than the rest of the BIG and, at least, an equal % relative to all recruits from NJ that have gone to ALL other schools. So, the point of this thread is correct and EJ's tweet is not spin, it is counteracting negative spin and misperceptions.
I think you're being completely disingenuous with your points.
I have re-read your first post numerous times, and even if I ignore your track record, I am unable to take anything positive out of it.
pretty sure that I am not the only poster who took that away from your first post.
I'll take your word for that, I'm not going to look back and add it up right now. But it absolutely, positively is spin. It's an apparently arbitrary time frame, it's very specific in what it's showing to put Rutgers in the best foot forward. Again, absolutely what he should be doing.
But, it has to be specific, because if you're just talking about making the NFL, Rutgers is middle of the pack over that time frame. With 18 draft picks they're in a 5 way tie for 6th most in the Big Ten. So they looked at it from different angles, found the place where Rutgers was #1, and they're touting it. As well they should, it's how you sell.
Unable to take anything out of it? Are you a complete moron. Who does a better job of Rutgers getting people prepared for the NFL. Who has so many free agents that actually makes teams. My god some of you are so stupid. Clearly your enjoyment on this thread is trying to discredit me. Have you even paid attention to the success of RU putting people into the NFL outside the draft. It's F-ing impressive. But you and your doppelganger Yes still don't get. My word. You call yourself a Rutgers fan? Your just another troll.
Give Rutgers credit where credit is do!
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Your rite. Eye am an moron.
Youre OP was actually knot negative.
We are all the stupid ones. You meant to bring sunshine to this thread that ironically started out as a way to praise our team. Your wisdom was to praise it more. How could I have been so dumb.
My bad.
Yikes.
Btw...i know who YES is...but don't know him at all...so not sure why we are both being lumped together. Maybe because we both took your OP the wrong way? Stupid idiots that we are...
Look above at his stupid rant about my posts.
Glad you see the light about RU putting great kids into the NFL. Getting into the NFL trumps getting drafted. And RU does a great job these days.
BTW I'm a Rutgers Football Letterwinner so I take your past position and Yes's idiotic position as an insult to all that played for RU. Have pride in all that actually make an NFL team. Draft means nothing.
WhiteBus - respect for your time at ru.
I genuinely don't see how your first post could have been taken in a positive way. But I take you at your word it was meant to be positive and i apologize
It was simply a post to say that Rutgers puts more players in the NFL outside the draft. And those teams that have NJ players making the draft how many have actually played. My knock is on the writer by limiting his research just on those drafted. When what matters is being on an NFL roster breaking camp
It is not an arbitrary time period, it includes the relevant years of modern rutgers football.are the Shea years relevant?
It is not spin, as spin implies something disingenuous when he is stating fact..
They did not look at it from different angles to come up with something that put them in a positive light. The tweet was in response to a reference from Kareem walker saying the most successful leave the state and come back. He is an OSU commit and relative to the big ten it is not true. Relative to all NJ recruits it is not true.
You cite another fact, that is not pertinent to the question at hand in showing RU at #6 for all draft picks in the big ten. But it also proves that RU puts guys in the league at the rate as others and that ranking is inline with the recruiting rankings.
Sir do you go to games? Those that have met me and my dog will confirm that I am the biggest Rutgers fan alive. I've had beer with many on here. No one thinks that I am the ass that Yes and 62 profess that I am. Come have a brew at my tailgate next year and you will understand the nonsense from the cellar dwellers is complete baloney.
We'll have to agree to disagree. It's an 6 year time frame that begins in the middle of a coaches tenure, and covers roughly 8 recruiting classes, call it 2004-2012 (from redshirt seniors eligible for 2009 draft to juniors/redshirt sophomores for the 2015 draft). None of those numbers are round numbers, they don't line up with conference alignments or coaching tenures. "Relevant" years of "modern" football are exceptionally subjective terms and allows cherry picking the data. Again, I'm not blaming the initial tweet for anything. I'm not implying anything disingenuous or sketchy is going on, I'd do it too if I were selling the Rutgers program. It is indeed a fact.
It's just not a fact that proves much of anything to me. Especially when compared to the title of the thread and/or if it's being driven by Kareem Walker's tweet. Walker is not committed to attend "the rest of the Big Ten", he's committed to Ohio State. Ohio State may have only had one draft pick from New Jersey over that time, but it was also their only commitment from New Jersey and he ended up a 3-time All-Big Ten, consensus All-American, Thorpe Award winning first round draft pick who has a Super Bowl ring. That's pretty successful. Sure, Rutgers has 12 times as many draft picks, but they have 93 times as many commitments as well. Numbers get awfully screwy when you're comparing against one or none.
I never questioned Rutgers ability to put players in the league. Just the relevance of the fact in question.
Yes here is the point to be made Rutgers does a better job of developing talent then osu as stated about "Ohio State has 34 draft picks over that time frame to 19 from Rutgers"
Over the same time period osu had 70 4 -5 star recruits while Rutgers had 14 4-5 star recruits so that means that osu should have had 5 TIMES as many players draft picks and they only had 1.8 TIMES as many pro picks that is shameful. And it mean Rutgers does more with less. We coach kid up to Pro potential osu just uses and abuses i.e. does not coach the player up to their potential.
Great Numbers Nosoj
U prove the point "Rutgers can get more lesser talent into the Pros."
