This has been blown way out of proportion

[Plum Street]

Compared to what happens at other big-time football programs . Flood is an idiot for doing what he did, but at any competent place he gets slapped on the wrist and this is swept under the rug . Rutgers turned this into a clusterf$$k , and made it the second coming of watergate . The whole place looks like a mess . Ohio state or Michigan wouldn't have handled it this way.
We have bigger problems this week , including penn state . It's all about winning that game.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Agreed. I think many here really do want to go back to playing Colgate.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Agreed. I think many here really do want to go back to playing Colgate.

Thats the type of 'fan' we need to isolate and ridicule....They should join the Rutgers50....not a thousand anymore.

 

[zappaa]

KF was clueless, when it came to preparing his two deep and attempting to circumvent the proper procedure to get his starting corner back eligible.

 

[WhiteBus]

Unreal! It's an NCAA violation, he was told not to contact the professor and than tries to hide behind all of it using his private email. Plus trying to save a kid that wasn't going to be eligible anyway.

Overblown??

 

[BiggyRU]

its a rutgers violation..not ncaa..or am I wrong?

 

[Caliknight]

KF was clueless, when it came to preparing his two deep and attempting to circumvent the proper procedure to get his starting corner back eligible.

Then have some balls and fire him. Suspending him is the worst thing you can do for the program.

Barchi no balls and Jules is just as useless.

 

[Upstream]

Unreal! It's an NCAA violation, he was told not to contact the professor and than tries to hide behind all of it using his private email. Plus trying to save a kid that wasn't going to be eligible anyway.

Overblown??

I don't think there is any obvious NCAA violation here.

 

[RURM85]

Agree with OP. Blown out of proportion. Coach contact with professors happens at every other school regardless of rules. Need to play without 1 arm tied behind our back.

 

[zappaa]

Agree with OP. Blown out of proportion. Coach contact with professors happens at every other school regardless of rules. Need to play without 1 arm tied behind our back.

Is that a fact, any professors on here from elsewhere who can verify this claim

 

[WhiteBus]

its a rutgers violation..not ncaa..or am I wrong?

asking a professor to change a grade isn't a NCAA violation??

 

[Caliknight]

Big time coaches love schools with more regulations than is mandated by the NCAA. This will attract them like flies!

 

[Raritan83]

Compared to what happens at other big-time football programs . Flood is an idiot for doing what he did, but at any competent place he gets slapped on the wrist and this is swept under the rug . Rutgers turned this into a clusterf$$k , and made it the second coming of watergate . The whole place looks like a mess . Ohio state or Michigan wouldn't have handled it this way.
We have bigger problems this week , including penn state . It's all about winning that game.

Who cares about other schools? We are not in charge of FSU, UNC, etc. What they do is their business. What we do is our business. While I personally want us to win, I want us to win correctly.

We can argue whether it is a stupid rule or not but regardless it is a rule the University has and he knowingly broke it. Not only did Flood knowingly break it, he tried to hide it. He was stupid enough to use a personal account and say he was doing it to avoid OPRA. He was stupid enough for an offsite meeting and to point out he wouldn't wear Rutgers clothing.

It was one thing to email a professor which while breaking the rule would have required a slap on the wrist. However, to go out and blatantly disregard the rule and attempt to cover it up means this was not overblown.

 

[rucoe89]

It clearly is a NJ thing. Compare this to what went on at UNC and it clearly shows that drama queens in NJ scream for attention and get it. Self loathing and defeatism attract attention. The National media picks up on it because NJ will never, or does not care to, defend itself. This aspect of self loathing and defeatism trickles down to the State University.

 

[RUtah]

Big time coaches love schools with more regulations than is mandated by the NCAA. This will attract them like flies!

Like Harbaugh at Stanford?

 

[JBDLion]

I don't think there is any obvious NCAA violation here.

I come in peace. Given the NCAA's inconsistency and agenda, who really knows anymore. Here's what precedent I'm aware of, although it's not a direct comparison: http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/bauerle-accused-of-severe-breach-of-contract-in-of/nfSGb/

 

[Caliknight]

Like Harbaugh at Stanford?

Stanford is an outlier, not to mention Harbaugh came from that might factory University of San Diego. Harbaugh wasn't Harbaugh when he went to Stanford, he became Harbaugh there.

Any other examples?

 

[pmvon]

He violated university policy and is being punished. End of story. Could he have been let go, maybe but at most other places it would have been even lighter if ever talked about. The media is insane but RU seems to have this happen to them. I don't know what drives this intense pressure every time. Maybe the NJ media and our lunatic fan base.

 

[ImBadRU]

Never happened at psu, ever with me. Academic support, yes.

 

[pmvon]

It clearly is a NJ thing. Compare this to what went on at UNC and it clearly shows that drama queens in NJ scream for attention and get it. Self loathing and defeatism attract attention. The National media picks up on it because NJ will never, or does not care to, defend itself. This aspect of self loathing and defeatism trickles down to the State University.

Yes, this is probably it. Really a level of insecurity. If we had a successful history, the media would be less likely to pounce and our fan base would be less likely to quickly feel shame and scurry from the light,

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Everything on this board always gets blown way out of proportion.

 

[pmvon]

Never happened at psu, ever with me. Academic support, yes.

Yes, but what did happen over many years was much worse. You can forget the child thing but PSUs arrest record dwarfed RU

 

[KJ_RU]

Then have some balls and fire him. Suspending him is the worst thing you can do for the program.

Barchi no balls and Jules is just as useless.

The worst thing you can do for the program is be the head coach and do a very bad job at trying to cheat. The only person responsible for this mess is Flood.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

FYI - the guys on BTN yesterday, both before and after an interview with that dipshit from NJ.com, essentially stated they felt it was "too light of a punishment and that Flood "probably should have been fired" and was "lucky" to not have been.

 

[mikemarc1]

asking a professor to change a grade isn't a NCAA violation??

He didn't ask the professor to change a grade. He asked, what the student needs to do to have his grade changed. Big difference.

The fact Rutgers investigation didn't show any academic violation is big for Flood. Flood was just stupid, let's move on.

 

[RUtah]

Stanford is an outlier, not to mention Harbaugh came from that might factory University of San Diego. Harbaugh wasn't Harbaugh when he went to Stanford, he became Harbaugh there.

Any other examples?

David Cutcliffe at Duke

 

[RUGT]

asking a professor to change a grade isn't a NCAA violation??

That probably is a violation, but that's not what kyle flood did. He broke university policy contacting the professor directly, but there is no evidence he attempted to strong arm, intimidate, or force the professor into giving Barnwell a better grade. Obviously he wanted a better grade for barnwell, but approached it from a "what more can Barnwell do" standpoint.

 

[dicemen99]

The OP compares this to what happens at big time programs. Although I think this isn't really a valid line of thinking here, let's follow it.

Do you want Kyle Flood as your head coach to compete with these big time programs? Seriously, take a look at him.

If you want to go the big boy route and dismiss these transgressions as minor, then you need a big boy coach to go along with it. It's not Kyle Flood.

 

[bac2therac]

So many excuses..

 

[rube1859]

He didn't ask the professor to change a grade. He asked, what the student needs to do to have his grade changed. Big difference.

The fact Rutgers investigation didn't show any academic violation is big for Flood. Flood was just stupid, let's move on.

But he did look into how the professor could change the grade, the process to do it, etc., after the professor had already indicated she wouldn't. And it seems he did pressure her to offer Barnwell an additional opportunity, something she did not have to do, so there is certainly an implication of wanting the grade changed, even if he did not directly say it. We're splitting hairs here.

The more important thing is its stuff like this that will get the NCAA's attention, even if not a violation of their rules. I'd expect them to look at us a bit deeper in the coming years and unless we are as innocent as a church mouse, bad things can happen.

 

[j10oreo]

Not sure if I'd call this an overreaction... especially since Flood himself knew he was trying to work the system and then claim he's a man of integrity. Having this kind of media field day if Flood simply asked "how are Barnwell's grades doing?" would have been an overreaction. I have no problem with Rutgers having a higher standard that athletics has to adhere to. I want to win definitely, but doing it right way is something to brag about in college football. Flood's punishment was a wrist slap and I don't feel we need to follow the Auburn model of academics where athletics runs the show in order to bring success.

 

[mikemarc1]

But he did look into how the professor could change the grade, the process to do it, etc., after the professor had already indicated she wouldn't. And it seems he did pressure her to offer Barnwell an additional opportunity, something she did not have to do, so there is certainly an implication of wanting the grade changed, even if he did not directly say it. We're splitting hairs here.

The more important thing is its stuff like this that will get the NCAA's attention, even if not a violation of their rules. I'd expect them to look at us a bit deeper in the coming years and unless we are as innocent as a church mouse, bad things can happen.

I'm not saying he's right..definitely broke a policy, but this isn't a NCAA violation. You're not supposed to be concerned about your players grades? Flood wanted his player to get a better grade to become eligible..yes, he went overboard, but within the NCAA rules..it seems. Again, just dumb.

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

But he did look into how the professor could change the grade, the process to do it, etc., after the professor had already indicated she wouldn't. And it seems he did pressure her to offer Barnwell an additional opportunity, something she did not have to do, so there is certainly an implication of wanting the grade changed, even if he did not directly say it. We're splitting hairs here.

The more important thing is its stuff like this that will get the NCAA's attention, even if not a violation of their rules. I'd expect them to look at us a bit deeper in the coming years and unless we are as innocent as a church mouse, bad things can happen.

Please if North Carolina can have 100's of athletes taking phantom courses and not really get a stiff probation, this will not even register with the NCAA.

 

[rube1859]

But he did look into how the professor could change the grade, the process to do it, etc., after the professor had already indicated she wouldn't. And it seems he did pressure her to offer Barnwell an additional opportunity, something she did not have to do, so there is certainly an implication of wanting the grade changed, even if he did not directly say it. We're splitting hairs here.

The more important thing is its stuff like this that will get the NCAA's attention, even if not a violation of their rules. I'd expect them to look at us a bit deeper in the coming years and unless we are as innocent as a church mouse, bad things can happen.

Also, he intended to circumvent NJ state law (even though work materials on private emails are still subject to OPRA). He literally admitted what he was intending to do. Just think about that for a second.

 

[iReC89]

Some administrative stuff happened that's clearly not right, but in the grand history of fudging grades for sports, this seems like childs play.

If the story gets told right, Flood communicated with a professor to see if any extra work could be done but expressed support for the professor, and Rutgers affirmed its commitment to its academic reputation by promptly investigating and benching the coach. Its one of those 'appearance of impropriety' things, vs any claim that Flood used actual coercion to get a grade changed.

Rutgers - serious on academics
Flood - goes the extra mile at great personal risk for his players to help them, but expects them to be help accountable

This is not likely to be the media narrative, but the people who count will get it.

 

[rube1859]

Please if North Carolina can have 100's of athletes taking phantom courses and not really get a stiff probation, this will not even register with the NCAA.

And post UNC, don't you think the NCAA is going to try to be more vigilant? People are looking at this in a vacuum.

 

[Hondo77]

He didn't ask the professor to change a grade. He asked, what the student needs to do to have his grade changed. Big difference.

Wink wink, nudge nudge.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

I know one thing for certain, his stupidity has certainly not been blown out of proportion. Even if you can look past his transgressions, why anyone would want slow James Bond at the head of a multi-million dollar operation at this point is beyond me.

 

[MidwestKnights]

KF was clueless, when it came to preparing his two deep and attempting to circumvent the proper procedure to get his starting corner back eligible.

This pretty much sums it up.

 

[Caliknight]

FYI - the guys on BTN yesterday, both before and after an interview with that dipshit from NJ.com, essentially stated they felt it was "too light of a punishment and that Flood "probably should have been fired" and was "lucky" to not have been.

The admin doesn't have the balls to do that.