no effect i believe... if people want a certain seat, then they are going to donate and buy season tickets.. but some people like flexibility over stability.
basically i see it as renting vs buying
Ticket Exchange Board - Personification of Donation Mentality?
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no effect i believe... if people want a certain seat, then they are going to donate and buy season tickets.. but some people like flexibility over stability.
basically i see it as renting vs buying
I'm referring to the build and other initiatives outside seat donations. Seat donations are required. The other funds are elective. I think there is a correlation.
This is all Economics 101. IMHO there is a bubble in Rutgers ticket prices and it will burst in the next few years if we don't start winning. There is little to no resale market right now for other than Michigan and Penn State. If they don't want to tailgate, fans will simply wait for the weather forecast, buy in the secondary at below face (and no donation), and pay $20 to park at the RAC. Stay tuned. $$$$
this is very true. I can't believe decent lower tickets to #13 Iowa can't even be in demand for $45. Noon starts don't help either (not that I personally don't like them but would like a better mix...)
I think fans just showing up and making noise is a quality level of support. Especially to a game like Howard. I don't even know what face is for a game like that, and obviously it depends on where it is in the stadium, but no way would I pay $120.
I think what OP is saying that our willingness to support RU football should supersede our desire to get the best deal the market will bare.
I don't agree with what he's saying, but I don't think he's ignorant of basic supply and demand.
The exchange per se is supposed to be "non profit". A similar problem" occurs when those who donate or donate not as much attempt to sit in sections that require a larger donation. I found it strangely not so funny that R one crew member leader (now in a key donor position) and sone of "us". were a bit livid when one of our "adjunct" crew members bought into our prime section 3-4 years ago for a $5,000 donation. Frankly he himself misses a chunk of games and his eldest daughter turned down? RU for Delaware.
HOWEVER out other "crew" member (does supposedly buy a season ticket in a lesser section with a lesser seat requirement) has had really no problem finding and siting the seats next or adjacent to us. ***This is why i feel Hobbs and crew better be VERY CAREFUL raising seat requirements or scheduling major home games (or any home game) away from High Point Solutions Stadium.
Before wrongly losing 24 Priority points inadvertantly under a precious administration after donating intellectual property to RU at cost i occasionally had extra parking passes I sold on eBay at market value. I was out of work long term and made my seat donation so I felt fine about it. Once I donated it (switched it) with another crew member who was wrongly given the wrong lot one year.
On ebay (also with 5,000 ticket sales (like others similarly have done) in past years I found out that a pretty much all R happy just to get a pass-even if it for the RAC. I had
many happy groups of people such as RU varsity sports teams or frats happily pay nicely for a pass and then split the cost. Frankly I don't ever think I had a complaint.
Thus I'd say:
1) Sell on eBay or Stubhub and recover your costs
2) If you can't get :"your price" go to the ticket exchange and sell at cost-perhaps base your sale on whether the person is a season ticketholder or at least donates (I just received a keytag with my donation level..).
***It's nice to bed nice to people-but some people "mooch" again and again. I dropped my season tickets once during my MBA because I wasn't working and year after year that person would pick and choose my then 2nd ticket for certain games. That person's one friend was much worse. i remember losing the money for a Dook-RU! hoops game at the Meadowlands once because I bought his ticket and he was supposed to reimburse. He came to my house and it was December pre late afternoon game. My father fed him just as a 2 hours snow squall hit that made it dangerous to travel to the game. He obviously didnt want to drive to the game and I lost out.
One major problem some of us face or have faced it that unfortunately most seating was set up years ago (we did have warning about stadium expansion and B1G membership) so take into account single people may have noon else to sit with-been there. As we learned this week some our our good friends move or pass on. As one gets older it's tougher to meet new people.
****Note after paying $650 for my FB ticket/donation I found myself with no monies to pay for the tailgate (run my my friends' friend who is a lot closer to them than myself). ***It was my friends (with one of R our "minimoocher"-donates and has a sit in a lesser section so at least he DOES donate and tries to help w the tailgate) who have: 1) offered to pay for my tailgate (though I consider it a loan and expect to pay it back shortly) and 2) held a box of old baseball cards sets I auctioned/auctioning off that I sold to make my last seat payment (though other stuff strangely went missing) and 3) The ride/pass to the games! What goes around comes around...
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I think a lot of people really overestimated how excited many fans (and even recruits) would be with non traditional rivals (vs perhaps being in the ACC but supposedly we were never offered and the B1G offered more financially anyway). That said:
1) Winning cures all and things will improve if THE PROGRAM IMPROVES.
2) Especially after the Wall Street meltdown in 2009/"downturn"-things have worsened for many while ticket prices have increased. I personally went from a season ticket holding member and (many years ago) pseudo officer of the court club to have attended about one game a year (when invited for free. Much too expensive. Even with a pair of $45 seats that's $90+$25 min parking+$5 min gas+$10 min food+ an afternoon or evening of time. $130 bucks just for a football game. 10% of NJ's population is on food aid and that same $130 covers many people's food for the majority of a month. Family of 4 another $100=$230 for a team that perhaps should but doesn't bring much excitement. I se many not so well off people at Walmart very happy to purchase a $40+ inch hi def TV for $350-$800. With such technology many would just as happily stay in the convenience of their home than pay $130-$230 in the blazing sun (if they like the sun the beach is free after Labor Day) and heat.
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I think what the both of you are saying is pretty true.
Sooner or later if the Ash era becomes the "Ash Error" you'll start to see more and more of us buying the 3 packs at the minimum and picking up other games when we feel like it.
unfortunately all the posters who were saying that season tickets would sell out in our first or 2nd year in the Big 10 ended up being wrong...not even close to selling them out..what is our base right now, I would imagine its less than last year...so despite the upgrade in conference and schedule, it once again comes down to winning. RU only won at a very high level and that was in 2006....10 years ago! So in the next couple of years Ash is going to have to start winning or we will see attendance really to start to sag.
I don't know if this is a Flood hangover thing or what. But I do think Ash will bring renewed success. But as a guy who has had extra tickets over decades..yes decades...I can count on 1 hand the number of times I had people begging for them.
I am very glad the school must be making extra cash on them these days but as for the fans...the $5-$10 ticket is still a reality. And there appears to be 3 tiers now.
- Give-aways.
- Under-valued (which shocks me when that list includes (Iowa, ILL, Indiana)
- And a couple of hotter ones (which are made that way due to 10k fans of the other team demand).
I know I am savvy enough that (right now) if I wanted to, instead of spending $2500 / year on tickets I could spot market buy better seats and better parking without the commitment and for less (NOT that I would do that. If so I would have done it years ago instead of buying more)
I am not complaining. I am more disappointed and concerned that Rutgers Football on Saturdays is still not a huge weekly deal.
We have to consistently win and that is going to be extremely tough given our yearly schedule. (6 of the top 13 is f'in no place for us but we are now in it. Cash..I get it)
Put me in the group saying it wasn't going to happen...sellouts "just because" a B1G sked.
I still say the Stadium will never be much bigger than it is now....a group of luxury boxes next to the Press Box, regrading of the North End and I think we are done for good. Have said all along our ceiling is a max of 60-65K. And I bet it in reality it is much closer to the 60K number than anything higher.
***EDIT*** meant suites by the Press Box and not the scoreboard
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yes you and I have been aligned on that stadium capicity issue when/if we get to the sustained success point. We have a much different bear here than in other parts of the country to will tend to put a cap on large and fervant the fanbase will get
Also people need to realize if we can get 60K for a Rutgers game, it should not be considered a failure. It's pretty damn good.
Economically, I have no problem whatsoever. God Bless, thanks for your indirect support and NJoy! HOWEVER down the line don't post that Rutgers is still getting hammered 5-10 years from now when the financial support (from both the fans and state) are 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 times that of Rutgers. Support=improved facilities and thus recruiting. Rutgers is way behind the ball compared to most B1G schools.
I'm homeless wth $2 in my pocket with no savings (lost all except my car, a few boxes of pics and files and collectibles in the aftermath of selling my house/foreclosure process When I start up work again (if age permits) with my two masters degrees, real estate license and SORA certificate I have $80-$85K in student loans.
I made my 2nd season ticket payment AFTER I lost all income rom the recent Ticketmaster lawsuit-that same day my food stamps were incorrectly taken away for 3 weeks (I get less than $5 for food and have no refrigeration-try living on $5 a day when you can't cook or freeze food). Managed to make my 2nd ticket payment with the sale of some f the one box of assets I didn't lose in storage-or strangely disappear from my friends' house). Not only has RU not helped my career a programming error that I just happened to catch 10-15 years post graduation (and likely affected thousands of othe Cook grads) was a major factor in me not getting to attend law school. ***I STILL make my yearly seat donation and purchase my season ticket.
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Ummmm, OK. I'm not sure why I got this response but you've made an incorrect assumption that I don't support the school financially because I don't have season tickets. I'm just trying to get tickets. If I could go this week, I would have already obtained my tickets. Plenty of decent deals out there already. God Bless and I wish you well.
What do you want, the rivals board to be a platform for people to become scalpers? As was posted by someone earlier in the thread, no one is stopping you from listing them in other places where you can get what you feel is market value. I've personally used that bored and have paid face value for tickets that were really worth nowhere near face value based on the opponent. Other times I pay face value and I might be at a game that is worth more like Michigan or Penn State. I'm sure you weren't complaining when you got $60 for your Howard ticket. The purpose of that board is so Rutgers fans can dish their tickets to other Rutgers fans at face value. No one suggested that you had to participate. But since you consider all of us who buy tickets from there to be vulchers, I will make sure to skip your posts in the future on that board.
Holy **** did no one read the OP? Only making an observation. Expect more from a mod. No need for everyone to start crying.
Clearly we have a donating problem as program. Clearly the demand for face value tickets on that board is higher for big games. its common sense that in a high demand game less tickets would be available on the exchange board yet there is more traffic. Explain that.
Your op is so clearly a criticism of the tix exchange veiled as a point about donations. Then package the tix for two games together if you are having demand issues for weaker opponents. I just find it suspect that on this board you decry the buyers on there as being vultures all the while you have a thread on there offering up your tickets for $20, undercutting everyone else who should be getting face value.
over 60% off Rutgers - New Mexico tickets.... at your nearest ticket message board...
No. Stop inferring. I'm not talking about anything not written down. The title thread is clear. You're the problem not the solution.
For those of you that want to make sure that part of your after market ticket sales goes to Rutgers, please just use this site: https://rutgersfanexchange.com/
Every bit counts!
Every bit counts!
I'm not going to keep arguing with you. You are clearly in the wrong. I think the purpose of my thread was made VERY clear in the thread title. I believe that thought was articulated in the OP. I followed it up citing behavior in specific regard to high demand games.
As for listing tickets under face value, people give away tickets all the time, which surely "under cuts" more than my listing for 25%. BUT, by all means, if it's against the rules to do so, please delete my post as well as all others offering tickets below face value or for free. That is your duty as a mod anyway.
Go Knights
Please stop telling folks how to spend their hard-earned money. If I can get a ticket to a game for $50 instead of "supporting the program" by buying it for $100, I'll buy the $50 ticket every time. You know why? As much as I love my alma mater, I love my family more and like all of us with wives/kids, have a greater responsibility to them than a university.
'85-maybe I wasn't thinking such re your reply but what I DID imply was that it takes mega $$$ to compete in the B1G (SPORTSWISE) and RU is underfunded compared to pretty much the rest of the B1G schools.
By purchasing a ticket one way or another you R supporting Rutgers Football/Athletics/Rutgers but you implied you aren't donating to athletics-needed for Facilities, yada that helps RU compete for recRUits. If everyone takes that attitude Rutgers athletics is in big trouble (at least on the playing field).
By the way a major conversation between the person next to me at games (an involved law grad) and behind me (Rutgers Legacy development- co-leader of R tailgate) at Howard was what's to prevent Christie from saying " Geez, Rutgers, now that you are receiving X dollars from the B1G, I can NOW DECREASE funding that same amount (legally not those specific physical monies) take away from what NJ subsidizes you Rutgers Football/Rutgers Athletics/Rutgers U because NJ's fiscal health is a TOTAL MESS?
No I don't know if you support the cows at Cook College but directly at least that makes less of an impact than dollars sent to Rutgers Athletics (maybe with the cow thing it helps with Midwest recruits). Theoretically all dollars of support directly or indirectly help all aspects of the university.
My point was I don't blame anyone for trying to obtain tickets or a parking pass as cheaply as possible. However Rutgers athletics desparately needs sufficient funding to compete effectively in the B1G. Else enjoy the tailgating as once inside the stadium we're gonna get perenially hammered. Thus, if you want Rutgers to compete effectively in a competitive conference such as the B1G, you should consider purchasing season tickets and donating to the program one way or another.
Given my situation (worse than anyone;s likely short of a death sentence)-and the way I was treated as an undergrad-logically these is no reason to donate. However year after year I come up with my seat donation and ticket monies one way or another. Akin to what one of my crew said re having a job, don't expect respect from some if you dont donate to Rutgers athletics (and don't complain when other schools recruit better, in part, due to better facilities and funding).
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