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Tim Beck to Texas--Drew's Role?

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Change has already arrived at Ohio State after the shutout loss in the College Football Playoff. The Buckeyes announced that they have hired Ryan Day, formerly the QBs coach with the San Francisco 49ers and a 10-year college assistant, to replace Tim Beck. Ohio State said Beck, who was also the co-coordinator of the offense the last two seasons, is "pursuing other opportunities."
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Beck reportedly left to work with Tom Herman at Texas.

He is a Chip Kelly protege.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Day_(American_football)

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...yan-day-as-quarterbacks-coach-and-coordinator

Wonder what Drew's role is?
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-tim-beck-leaving-ohio-states-staff-for-texas
"- Beck will be in full charge of the offense while serving as QB coach. Of course, Herman would be involved in adjustments to game plans and on game days, sources said."
 
TJ Barrett's play was OSU's most glaring weakness, albeit in a somewhat surprisingly successful season. I'm not 100% sure that coaching is to blame; I'm among the people who think that maybe Barrett just isn't that good. Nonetheless, Change is Good, or something like that.
 
Tim Beck is better at falling up than anybody on the planet. He won't last long in Austin either.

Edit. Notice that Ash knows him which is something he likes when hiring assistant coaches but you never heard mention of him talking to Beck. Beck was Co-OC at OSU and was below the other guy. He never called plays etc. glorified poor QB coach at OSU.
 
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RU4Real said:
TJ Barrett's play was OSU's most glaring weakness, albeit in a somewhat surprisingly successful season. I'm not 100% sure that coaching is to blame; I'm among the people who think that maybe Barrett just isn't that good. Nonetheless, Change is Good, or something like that.
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Look at JT's play in 2014 vs. 2015 and 2016. Coaching has a lot to do with it. I don't know if he can be saved at this point, but he was significantly better at getting the ball out and making decisions in 2014.
huskersalways said:
Tim Beck is better at falling up than anybody on the planet. He won't last long in Austin either.

Edit. Notice that Ash knows him which is something he likes when hiring assistant coaches but you never heard mention of him talking to Beck. Beck was Co-OC at OSU and was below the other guy. He never called plays etc. glorified poor QB coach at OSU.
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From what I understand, Beck was the primary play caller most of 2015. After the Sparty game Warinner was moved to the press box to take over primary play calling.

Beck is a bad QB coach but a fantastic recruiter. He never fit at Ohio State because there was no one else on the staff to coach QBs. Texas has Herman and Mehringer, both QB guys. Beck will absolutely kill it recruiting down there, and the staff can mask his coaching deficiencies for a while.
 
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BuckeyeLegion said:
Look at JT's play in 2014 vs. 2015 and 2016. Coaching has a lot to do with it. I don't know if he can be saved at this point, but he was significantly better at getting the ball out and making decisions in 2014.

From what I understand, Beck was the primary play caller most of 2015. After the Sparty game Warinner was moved to the press box to take over primary play calling.

Beck is a bad QB coach but a fantastic recruiter. He never fit at Ohio State because there was no one else on the staff to coach QBs. Texas has Herman and Mehringer, both QB guys. Beck will absolutely kill it recruiting down there, and the staff can mask his coaching deficiencies for a while.
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Do you have a view on Drew as a QB coach?

He could not even recognize the best dual threat QB on our roster, as it took Ash watching Giovanni Rescigno running the Scout team in a practice to point out that he looked pretty good. Laviano was never a world beater, but he regressed under Drew's offense, and Zach Allen had limited action. There were a host of other problems that contributed to the QB problem, namely the offensive line, but not sure I would tab Drew as a "QB guy."
 
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Knight Shift said:
Do you have a view on Drew as a QB coach?

He could not even recognize the best dual threat QB on our roster, as it took Ash watching Giovanni Rescigno running the Scout team in a practice to point out that he looked pretty good. Laviano was never a world beater, but he regressed under Drew's offense, and Zach Allen had limited action. There were a host of other problems that contributed to the QB problem, namely the offensive line, but not sure I would tab Drew as a "QB guy."
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Only what I read about him. He seems to have been relatively successful at James Madison, but that's clearly not on the same level. He didn't work with the QBs in his time at OSU as far as I know. I guess I'm mostly going off that he's mostly worked with QBs, but the same can be said for Beck [laughing]

In the end though, Heman IS a QB guy and can mask the coaching deficiencies on Becks part and let Beck bring in the talent.
 
Guess Drew's Passing coordinator position wasn't being the co-OC some thought with that title, but a save face glorified position like others on this board thought it would be.
I don't think Mehringer is even the QB coach, Beck is supposed to handle that role along with being the OC.
Drew probably is a WR coach at Texas, but the claim of passing coordinator was to make his rabbiting from Rutgers look like an upgrade and not running from failure .
(edit) after seeing what a Buckeye fan said about Beck, could be Mehringer might be in charge of both WR &QB ( passing coordinator) while Beck just has the OC/QB coach title and Herman is the real OC .

I'm surprised Beck left so soon after the Clemson loss , but that loss might have had him decide he might be the one the loss is blamed on.
Ed Warinner is the only Buckeye OC now and wonder if it will stay that way or Urban will bring in a co-OC for 2017
Wonder the same about the DC position, since Meyer always seems to have co-Cordinators
 
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BuckeyeLegion said:
Only what I read about him. He seems to have been relatively successful at James Madison, but that's clearly not on the same level. He didn't work with the QBs in his time at OSU as far as I know. I guess I'm mostly going off that he's mostly worked with QBs, but the same can be said for Beck [laughing]

In the end though, Heman IS a QB guy and can mask the coaching deficiencies on Becks part and let Beck bring in the talent.
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Will be interested to see what/how Drew does at Texas.
 
MADHAT1 said:
Guess Drew's Passing coordinator position wasn't being the co-OC some thought with that title, but a save face glorified position like others on this board thought it would be.
I don't think Mehringer is even the QB coach, Beck is supposed to handle that role along with being the OC.
Drew probably is a WR coach at Texas, but the claim of passing coordinator was to make his rabbiting from Rutgers look like an upgrade and not running from failure .

I'm surprised Beck left so soon after the Clemson loss , but that loss might have had him decide he might be the one the loss is blamed on.
Ed Warinner is the only Buckeye OC now and wonder if it will stay that way or Urban will bring in a co-OC for 2017
Wonder the same about the DC position, since Meyer always seems to have co-Cordinators
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Depending on what/where you read, Beck was going to get fired/or not retained and ad been informed of it.

Urban already hired a fired SF 49er coach to be the QB coach I believe. That also leads me to thinking Beck was getting the ax since the hire happened so fast. Some think if the NCAA passed the 10 coach rule that Kevin Wilson will be a coach there also. The Big 10 better hope Wilson gets a gig somewhere else because with OSU's talent and his offensive abilities that would take them to another level yet.
 
Got an exclusive shot of him at practice in his new role.
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I said back when Mehringer was hired by Texas we'd have to wait and see who else is hired before we make a determination on how things actually transpired. I hedged my bets on nudged out by Ash at the time. Looks now like Mehringer's Co-OC in charge of the passing game was simply a title to save face. Sure he'll have some input like any assistant but it appears he's just going to be a WR or QB coach.

That's not even a lateral move, rather a demotion. He was either nudged out or knew he couldn't handle the job here and fled to the life line Herman threw him. My personal opinion Ash nudged and this was a face saving title given by Herman to his failed surrogate son. Because I've never seen an assitant on his own volition take a demotion.
 
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Bleed_Scarlet said:
And what would it say? "Offensive coordinator for the team with the fewest yards per game in FBS"?
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I don't know, but when you read a coach's bio, they all sound like the next Knute Rockne.

Remember Dave Cohen, our DC?
"In 2012, Cohen took over the linebacker duties at Rutgers and coached one of the top defensive units in school history. The Scarlet Knights finished fourth in the nation in scoring defense (14.2 points allowed per game), tied for ninth in turnovers gained (32) and 10th in total defense (311.6 yards per game). Linebacker Khaseem Greene earned Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors and was named an All-America after making 136 tackles and forcing six fumbles. Green was a fourth round pick of the Chicago Bears in the NFL Draft.In 2013, Cohen coordinated a Rutgers defense that ranked third in the nation in run defense."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/tim-beck-to-texas-drews-role.116536/#post-2554698

Cohen's star may be rising too. From ESPN:
Wake Forest coach Dave Clawson received an eight-year contract extension through the 2024 season, the school announced Tuesday. In three years, Clawson transformed a program that had fallen to the bottom of the ACC Atlantic and turned it into bowl champions. With 15 starters returning, including rising defensive end Duke Ejiofor (10.5 sacks), the arrow is pointed up for the Demon Deacons.
 
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Coaching is a funny business. When the players do well, the coaches are geniuses. When the players don't do well, it's the Jimmies and the Joes. . . . .
 
Knight Shift said:
Coaching is a funny business. When the players do well, the coaches are geniuses. When the players don't do well, it's the Jimmies and the Joes. . . . .
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That's why the best coaches are the best recruiters. You need both, but having the players is the biggest piece.
 
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Texas has now officially named Stan Drayton its associate head coach and run game coordinator. Tom Herman calls him "a great final piece to a coaching staff I'm really excited about."
 
MADHAT1 said:
I'm surprised Beck left so soon after the Clemson loss , but that loss might have had him decide he might be the one the loss is blamed on.
Ed Warinner is the only Buckeye OC now and wonder if it will stay that way or Urban will bring in a co-OC for 2017
Wonder the same about the DC position, since Meyer always seems to have co-Cordinators
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I'm fairly sure that Beck was given the option to find another job to save face, but he was not coming back to Colimbus next year. As for the Co-OC, see below.
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Will be interested to see what/how Drew does at Texas.
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Drew and Beck both. Interesting hires, IMO.
huskersalways said:
Looks like Kevin Wilson is going to OSU.
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Knight Shift said:
Do you have a view on Drew as a QB coach?

He could not even recognize the best dual threat QB on our roster, as it took Ash watching Giovanni Rescigno running the Scout team in a practice to point out that he looked pretty good. Laviano was never a world beater, but he regressed under Drew's offense, and Zach Allen had limited action. There were a host of other problems that contributed to the QB problem, namely the offensive line, but not sure I would tab Drew as a "QB guy."
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QB guy? he was so far anything but a QB guy
 
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I honestly think the staff as a whole had a difficult time establishing culture (i.e.: merit system, play guys who prepare and practice the hardest/mistake-free) while still playing to win (i.e.: best man plays).
 
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BuckeyeLegion said:
I'm fairly sure that Beck was given the option to find another job to save face, but he was not coming back to Colimbus next year. As for the Co-OC, see below.

Drew and Beck both. Interesting hires, IMO.

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Is Urban going to bring in a co-DC?
Would he consider Tracy Claeys from Minnesota?
 
RuSnp said:
Claeys has had a lot of success running Ds in the past. Asst coach of the year in the past as well.
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He's got that, but think I read on eleven warriors that Fickell was an ace recruiter in Ohio, and they may be looking for a strong recruiter.

Wonder what Chris Ash will do when the NCAA opens up the extra coaching spot?
Still think Charlie Partridge will be an option--he is supposedly a strong Florida recruiter.
Claeys and Jerry Kill have a long history, but the question is where does Claeys fit in? Would we go with co-DCs?
 
There's not currently an opening on the staff. Bill Davis was hired to replace Luke Fickell just before Christmas: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...vis-ohio-states-new-defensive-assistant-coach

Not a hire I was thrilled with (see this line in the linked story: "In his seven seasons as an NFL defensive coordinator, Davis' defenses ranked 32nd, 26th, 20th, 29th, 29th, 28th and 30th in yards allowed per game.") but we do have Schiano for at least 2017 so I'll live with it and see where we're at next year.

There's actually not even a spot open for Wilson at the moment. Either Warinner or Studrawa may have to go, or the actual hiring of Wilson would have to come after the NCAA approves expanding the coaching rosters to 10.
 
BuckeyeLegion said:
There's not currently an opening on the staff. Bill Davis was hired to replace Luke Fickell just before Christmas: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...vis-ohio-states-new-defensive-assistant-coach

Not a hire I was thrilled with (see this line in the linked story: "In his seven seasons as an NFL defensive coordinator, Davis' defenses ranked 32nd, 26th, 20th, 29th, 29th, 28th and 30th in yards allowed per game.") but we do have Schiano for at least 2017 so I'll live with it and see where we're at next year.

There's actually not even a spot open for Wilson at the moment. Either Warinner or Studrawa may have to go, or the actual hiring of Wilson would have to come after the NCAA approves expanding the coaching rosters to 10.
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****See Bama and their "offensive analysis" position.
 
huskersalways said:
****See Bama and their "offensive analysis" position.
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Actually, that's what Davis was last year for the Bucks. [laughing]

So, Claeys could be brought on in that capacity. I think if Wilson is going to be the OC, they're going to want him on the staff for spring ball. Whether that means Warinner or Stud follow Fickell down to Cincinnati or Stud takes a "leave of absence" or something, I don't know.
 
Scarlet_Scourge said:
Drew got downgraded to WR coach.

Better fit for sure but.. Ouch
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Where do you see WR coach?
Here's the listing of coaches with titles (everyone else but Herman, Beck, Orlando and Drayton is just an "Assistant Coach")
Tom Herman Head Coach
Tim Beck Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Todd Orlando Defensive Coordinator
Stan Drayton Associate Head Coach/Run Game Coordinator
Oscar Giles Assistant Coach
Corby Meekins Assistant Coach
Drew Mehringer Assistant Coach
Craig Naivar Assistant Coach
Derek Warehime Assistant Coach
Jason Washington Assistant Coach
 
Knight Shift said:
Where do you see WR coach?
Here's the listing of coaches with titles (everyone else but Herman, Beck, Orlando and Drayton is just an "Assistant Coach")
Tom Herman Head Coach
Tim Beck Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Todd Orlando Defensive Coordinator
Stan Drayton Associate Head Coach/Run Game Coordinator
Oscar Giles Assistant Coach
Corby Meekins Assistant Coach
Drew Mehringer Assistant Coach
Craig Naivar Assistant Coach
Derek Warehime Assistant Coach
Jason Washington Assistant Coach
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Where's the Passing Cordinator ?
Some here said the Rabbit was hired for that and was a Longhorn co:OC.

To be fair I checked out articles about Mehringer being hired by Texas and some did say it was reported the Rabbit would be passing game coordinator there.
But now it looks like just something being thrown out by Texas to make the move look like an upgrade or lateral one rather be forced out by Ash or Drew running for his career's life because he failed to do a good job as the RU OC.
 
Knight Shift said:
Where do you see WR coach?
Here's the listing of coaches with titles (everyone else but Herman, Beck, Orlando and Drayton is just an "Assistant Coach")
Tom Herman Head Coach
Tim Beck Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Todd Orlando Defensive Coordinator
Stan Drayton Associate Head Coach/Run Game Coordinator
Oscar Giles Assistant Coach
Corby Meekins Assistant Coach
Drew Mehringer Assistant Coach
Craig Naivar Assistant Coach
Derek Warehime Assistant Coach
Jason Washington Assistant Coach
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http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Chart-Tom-Herman-completes-Texas-staff-for-2017
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