To all the Debbie Downers....

[RUHouston]

You do realize we lose this one in the last three years, right?

That as we’ve GROWN into a better team that good teams find ways to win... its part of maturity.

I totally get feeling like a whipped b1tch after decades of ups and mostly downs so pour yourself a libation and ENJOY THE RIDE!

It’s called House Money for a reason.

 

[FrankZ]

Last 3 years? How about most every year.

 

[Arizona Knight]

This is not “same old Rutgers” anymore because same old Rutgers loses this game.

 

[IMARUFAN]

We don't just lose THIS one the last 3 years.

We lose EVERYONE the last 3 years.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Nebraska has 2 conference wins.. Purdue and Iowa. Beating them by 3 could have been far worse.

 

[Source]

You do realize we lose this one in the last three years, right? That as we’ve GROWN into a better team that good teams find ways to win... its part of maturity. I totally get feeling like a whipped b1tch after decades of ups and mostly downs so pour yourself a libation and ENJOY THE RIDE!

It’s called House Money for a reason.

Of course, inflation devalues money over time, so the House Money we have this season wouldn't buy as much as when we first entered the B1G.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Any game that comes to the last shot can be lost. We will lose this type game in the future,and that doesn't make you a Debbie Downer to realize that. Yes, in the past, we would have lost this game,as a trap game for sure. 15-5,I'll take it. I believe we'll need 21+ to make the Dance, whether that comes during the regular season or after our run in the B1G Tournament.

 

[RU MAN]

You do realize we lose this one in the last three years, right?

That as we’ve GROWN into a better team that good teams find ways to win... its part of maturity.

I totally get feeling like a whipped b1tch after decades of ups and mostly downs so pour yourself a libation and ENJOY THE RIDE!

It’s called House Money for a reason.

Agreed. In year's past we lose this game. We are learning how to win when we play lackluster to an inferior team, although Nebby is now coming together and playing their butts off coached by a very good coach.

 

[fluoxetine]

Any game that comes to the last shot can be lost. We will lose this type game in the future,and that doesn't make you a Debbie Downer to realize that. Yes, in the past, we would have lost this game,as a trap game for sure. 15-5,I'll take it. I believe we'll need 21+ to make the Dance, whether that comes during the regular season or after our run in the B1G Tournament.

People keep saying this.. it is not true.

 

[RUPete]

Agreed. In year's past we lose this game. We are learning how to win when we play lackluster to an inferior team, although Nebby is now coming together and playing their butts off coached by a very good coach.

Yes, I am glad we are done playing them. They have improved a lot since our first game and they gave Wisconsin a difficult game before fading in the last five minutes. I think they will upset a couple of teams before the end of the season. Just very thankful for this win and this season.

 

[RUich]

As we all know, this league is a lot closer top to bottom than the records may indicate.
I think we can go anywhere by the time this thing ends.
The tournament is going to be very interesting when you put everyone basically equal to start.

 

[theRU]

Yes, I am glad we are done playing them. They have improved a lot since our first game and they gave Wisconsin a difficult game before fading in the last five minutes. I think they will upset a couple of teams before the end of the season. Just very thankful for this win and this season.

We're nebbys biggest fans now. If they get some good wins it helps.

 

[fluoxetine]

We should root for Nebby over teams we play once. Over teams we also play twice it doesn't matter what they do.

 

[RUinFla]

Our win over Shoe looks better and better as well.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

People keep saying this.. it is not true.

Can you expand on that thinking? Do we need more or less. Your comment isn't very informative to say the least.

 

[fluoxetine]

Can you expand on that thinking? Do we need more or less. Your comment isn't very informative to say the least.

Less. With 19 wins we are a favorite to get in. With 20 we are very likely. 21+ basically a lock.

 

[knights1212]

We really need the Purdue game to keep the momentum going. We play Purdue a second time on their senior day. We must get this win. It is a huge game if we want to make the NCAA. Our last 7 games on our schedule are extremely tough.

 

[Big boy stan]

Less. With 19 wins we are a favorite to get in. With 20 we are very likely. 21+ basically a lock.

I agree 90% and have been saying this for a while. The BIG is so good that it provides protection in case we lose some games but it still depends on who we lose to. The remaining schedule is against 7 Q1 teams, 5 of which are road games. Losing any or even all of these will not hurt too bad, especially if we are close.

With that said, excluding cauldwell, 19 means 5 more wins. Getting to the tourney will depend on which 5 games they win. We either:

- Win all 5 home games and lose the rest which would add only one more Q1 win and would include 6 Q1 losses on the road/neutral. 4-9 Q1 record makes this us a high choice bubble pick.
- Lose all 5 home games but pick up 5 road wins which would include at a minimum 3 Q1 road wins. Definitely going to the tourey.
- Mix of 5 home and road wins with no Q2/Q3 loses. Again that means only 1 more Q1 win. High choice bubble pick.
- Mix of 5 home and road wins with a bad loss. This means 2 or more Q1 wins. Bubble pick and probably depends on who and how we win/lose.

Interestingly, I think one of the most important game in this scenario may be the Northwestern game at the RAC. A loss in that would really hurt chances of getting in with 19.

 

[knightfan7]

Less. With 19 wins we are a favorite to get in. With 20 we are very likely. 21+ basically a lock.

If you're not counting Caldwell I can see 19, but not 18.

 

[fluoxetine]

No, I am counting Caldwell.

 

[fluoxetine]

Again, I'm not saying 19 is a lock or anything but in most cases 19 gets us in. I mean, if we finish the regular season 17-14 and then go 2-1 in the BTT to be 19-15, that's probably not good, but something like 19-12 + 0-1 is getting us is most of the time and any record that starts with a 20 is getting us in >85% of the time.

 

[knightfan7]

No, I am counting Caldwell.

But that game will be thrown out by the committee. I don't believe ranking svcs like KenPom or Net count it.

 

[fluoxetine]

I'm just counting it in my numbers. I'm not saying it has an impact on the selection.

When I say 19, I mean 19 including Caldwell, so 18 D1 wins.

 

[BillyC80]

Here’s my question about the Caldwell game. What if we lost to them? You don’t think the selection committee would consider that if we were on the bubble?

 

[knightfan7]

Here’s my question about the Caldwell game. What if we lost to them? You don’t think the selection committee would consider that if we were on the bubble?

It's a no win situation. Only thing it can do is hurt you. No at large team should lose to a D2. Maybe if you have 22, 23, 24 wins it would be ignored but if you're mixed in with a bunch of 18 or 19 win teams it could be a killer deciding factor.

 

[RuWishBone]

why worry it is not a concern as long as we keep winning.
I hate dealing with what ifs and "hypo" situations such a waste

 

[bac2therac]

the question will be not so much how many wins RU has but what the teams around the bubble have done. Early indications are showing that all metrics have the Big 10 having about 10 bids while the acc and sec are struggling right now to gain traction in the NET

 

[RutgHoops]

I agree 90% and have been saying this for a while. The BIG is so good that it provides protection in case we lose some games but it still depends on who we lose to. The remaining schedule is against 7 Q1 teams, 5 of which are road games. Losing any or even all of these will not hurt too bad, especially if we are close.

With that said, excluding cauldwell, 19 means 5 more wins. Getting to the tourney will depend on which 5 games they win. We either:

- Win all 5 home games and lose the rest which would add only one more Q1 win and would include 6 Q1 losses on the road/neutral. 4-9 Q1 record makes this us a high choice bubble pick.
- Lose all 5 home games but pick up 5 road wins which would include at a minimum 3 Q1 road wins. Definitely going to the tourey.
- Mix of 5 home and road wins with no Q2/Q3 loses. Again that means only 1 more Q1 win. High choice bubble pick.
- Mix of 5 home and road wins with a bad loss. This means 2 or more Q1 wins. Bubble pick and probably depends on who and how we win/lose.

Interestingly, I think one of the most important game in this scenario may be the Northwestern game at the RAC. A loss in that would really hurt chances of getting in with 19.

The one thing to note is the committee has to fill 36 at large spots. If you look at the other 5 major conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 12, SEC and Pac-12) you have to go all out to find even 22 teams considered worthy of a bid. And 5 (barring upsets in EACH conference tourney) are auto bids. So that (likely) gives you 17 or 18 at large bids at most. Even with 9 or 10 B1G teams (plus one autotbid) you are handing out nine or ten at large bids to non-tournament winning mid majors. That is a bunch.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Last 3 years? How about most every year.

30 years.....

 

[bac2therac]

I really dont think this thread title is appropriate..where are the debbie downers...there are not any on the board....sort of odd, is this because people were freaking out because were down 6 with 3 minutes to Nebby.

 

[fluoxetine]

why worry it is not a concern as long as we keep winning.
I hate dealing with what ifs and "hypo" situations such a waste

Message boards may not really be your thing..

 

[Mr_Twister]

Is this thread some kind of variation on or placeholder for the usual postgame “blame the ref” theme?

 

[fluoxetine]

I really dont think this thread title is appropriate..where are the debbie downers...there are not any on the board....sort of odd, is this because people were freaking out because were down 6 with 3 minutes to Nebby.

Well there was that one guy who posted the "this is not a tournament team win or lose" thread but I didn't see anyone else.

 

[fluoxetine]

The one thing to note is the committee has to fill 36 at large spots. If you look at the other 5 major conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 12, SEC and Pac-12) you have to go all out to find even 22 teams considered worthy of a bid. And 5 (barring upsets in EACH conference tourney) are auto bids. So that (likely) gives you 17 or 18 at large bids at most. Even with 9 or 10 B1G teams (plus one autotbid) you are handing out nine or ten at large bids to non-tournament winning mid majors. That is a bunch.

So much this, it is really a unique year. The Big Ten is an unprecedentedly middle-heavy conference, and the Big 12 and ACC are top-heavy. Normal rules do not apply.

 

[RutgHoops]

So much this, it is really a unique year. The Big Ten is an unprecedentedly middle-heavy conference, and the Big 12 and ACC are top-heavy. Normal rules do not apply.

Being it has been over a decade since we have had the opportunity to play this game, here are the ACC standings with NET ranking in parenthesis:

UL 8-1/17-3 (11)
FSU 7-1/17-2 (15)
Duke 6-2/16-3 (6)
Cuse 6-3/13-7 (64)
NC ST 5-4/13-6 (50)
VT 5-4/14-6 (52)
UVA 5-4/13-6 (59)
Clem 4-5/10-9 (81)
Pitt 4-5/13-7 (77)
BC 4-5/10-10 (156)
GT 4-6/9-11 (83)
ND 2-6/11-8 (72)
UNC 2-6/9-10 (104)
WF 2-7/9-10 (109)
UM 2-7/9-10 (106)

Looking at the above, do you think the ACC is getting more than 5 teams in (4 at large)? And the ACC is probably the 4th best league in the country this season. On paper it looks like a four MAYBE five bid league.

The B1G is going to get a bunch of teams in the tournament. Watch.

 

[fluoxetine]

It would only be moderately surprising if the ACC somehow managed to squeak six teams in (the 3 obviously + NC State + 2 of Cuse/VTech/UVA) but you would need similar things to happen in a bunch of conferences to get the B10 below 9 bids.

If the season ends today, 11 Big Ten teams are in. In terms of B10 bids, I think
10 > 11 >>>> 9 >> 12 > 8

The ones currently out are Northwestern, Nebraska, Minnesota.

The next most likely to fall out, in order, IMO:
Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin