To the poster arguing with me about layups last week….

[AreYouNUTS]

….you had no clue what you’re talking about saying stuff like “this is college basketball” and other nonsense.. Check this out:

“Rutgers missed 7 of the 9 lay-ups it attempted. It is now 37-of-82 (45%) at the rim this season. "

THIS IS PATHETIC and it’s been a problem for a few years now. PERIOD.

 

[itsRtime]

It's uncanny how many easy buckets we miss.

 

[RU82]

Because they aren’t easy buckets. They are forced shots taken off balance.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

I said that after the first two games of the season, that we still have major problems finishing around the rim. It's been that way for much longer than a couple of years. Unless we dunk the ball, we don't go aggressive to the rim.

 

[#1 RUFan]

One of the first things you learn in the game besides dribbling is how to make a lay up. Granted there were a few missed foul calls but you still need to make them.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Because they aren’t easy buckets. They are forced shots taken off balance.

lol okay….make excuses.

 

[FastMJ]

Because they aren’t easy buckets. They are forced shots taken off balance.

should still make 60% of layups

 

[tfio]

We’ve been missing easy layups for years now making games so much harder on ourselves

 

[AreYouNUTS]

another miss by Hyatt MY LORD

 

[ClassOf02]

nvm

 

[ScooterSports]

we blowwwwww

 

[tfio]

Fast breaks are so so bad.

Another thing that has been this way for years. I assume every fast break will end in 0 points at this point

 

[ScooterSports]

seriously how are they this bad, you have a crazy athletic 6’11 center to practice making contested layups on in practice.

 

[RutgersNo1]

We just can’t score. Layups. Threes. FTs. We are just bad at offense.

 

[FrankZ]

We are a horrible layup making team and it’s been this way for years. Sad but true.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

We just can’t score. Layups. Threes. FTs. We are just bad at offense.

It's a theme for most RU sports, as we are horrendous on offense in bball, football, and frequently men's and women's soccer, in which we rely on the defense to give us a chance to score a game-winner at the end of games.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

We just can’t score. Layups. Threes. FTs. We are just bad at offense.

3’s tonight we’re stunning…1/13?

 

[mildone]

lol okay….make excuses.

Not sure, but I don’t think he was making excuses. I think he was pointing out that we take way too many off balance, off angle, bad decision layups. Which is true. It’s a big part of why we suck around the rim. Forcing stuff that just isn’t there.

That’s not defending anything or denying there’s a problem. It’s analyzing the problem.

 

[The RUT]

It’s because we don’t have strong guards.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not sure, but I don’t think he was making excuses. I think he was pointing out that we take way too many off balance, off angle, bad decision layups. Which is true. It’s a big part of why we suck around the rim. Forcing stuff that just isn’t there.

That’s not defending anything or denying there’s a problem. It’s analyzing the problem.

You obviously we’re not a part of the conversation. You’re wrong. He was making some of the lamest excuses on the face of the earth. Saying stuff like “it’s hard to make layups in college” (or similar). As you can see in this thread, and by watching us the last few years, it’s clearly obvious that we have a major issue in this department.

 

[Rutgers25]

You obviously we’re not a part of the conversation. You’re wrong. He was making some of the lamest excuses on the face of the earth. Saying stuff like “it’s hard to make layups in college” (or similar). As you can see in this thread, and by watching us the last few years, it’s clearly obvious that we have a major issue in this department.

You’re right we have to do better, but it’s not like you snap your fingers and we magically get better. Finishing at the rim is a talent issue. It’s not rocket science. We win playing good defense and scrapping together points on offense. It’s not changing this year.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You’re right we have to do better, but it’s not like you snap your fingers and we magically get better. Finishing at the rim is a talent issue. It’s not rocket science. We win playing good defense and scrapping together points on offense. It’s not changing this year.

Listen I get it, you’re not gonna make every shot and we’re not overly talented, but some of the messages that I’ve seen us make, already in for games this year, are absolutely stunning.

 

[SBP]

Listen I get it, you’re not gonna make every shot and we’re not overly talented, but some of the messages that I’ve seen us make, already in for games this year, are absolutely stunning.

A case can be made that missed chippies cost us more than the poor 3 point shots. Those are high percentage gimmies. We get alligator arms around the basket

 

[Scarlet Blind]

Directly from Bart Torvik close 2/around the rim,

1st) 6'11 Cliff 21-30 70%
2nd most) 6'3" Derek 6-20 30%
Someone needs to reign him in to stop driving at trees
3rd) 6'6 Hyatt 10-18 55.6%
4th) 6'7 Mag 8-13 61.5%
5th) 6'4 Cam 9-11 81.8%
Paul 4-9(3-6, 1-3), 6'2 Jalen 1-5, Wolf 4-4, Reiber 2-4

Total 65-118 55.8%
Minus Derek/Jalen 58-93 62.4%

**Derek(9-31) and Jalen(2-7) combined 11-38 28.9% from 2pt**

 

[Rutgers25]

Derek still has some reckless let me just toss up junk at the rim. That doesn’t work at this level. He’ll figure it out…

 

[FastMJ]

Derek still has some reckless let me just toss up junk at the rim. That doesn’t work at this level. He’ll figure it out…

Miller too

 

[RutgersDom]

Because they aren’t easy buckets. They are forced shots taken off balance.

THIS. In order to really understand I have to look at other team % on layups. A former player who trains my kids asked me what’s the highest % shot in b ball and I bit and said a layup. He laughed and so not even close. Harder than u think. It’s the free throw of course as it’s not contested.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Miller too

He took 3 shots. One lay up went halfway down and he made the other shot so I’m assuming your not referring to those attempts.

So that means your lumping a contested put back attempt into this category. Seriously? The smallest guy crashing the glass (Miller) pulled the offensive board down. You think it’s so easy when surrounded by defenders to kick the ball out fast enough not to get stripped? If a bad pass gets picked off that’s a transition bucket the other way.

While he didn’t look good on that shot, context is needed in the sense that decision wise, going up with the ball and trying to draw contact wasn’t the worst play. It’s nothing like deciding to penetrate into traffic early in a shot clock anyway.

 

[MADHAT1]

THIS. In order to really understand I have to look at other team % on layups. A former player who trains my kids asked me what’s the highest % shot in b ball and I bit and said a layup. He laughed and so not even close. Harder than u think. It’s the free throw of course as it’s not contested.

Article is from 2015 but still relevant today
Men's basketball: Layups aren't the high-percentage shots you might think
>Supposedly the easiest shot in basketball, the layup isn't always a gimme. In fact, only a little more than half of shots described as layups in college basketball end up going through the hoop.<


https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/2015/02/20/men-s-basketball-layups-aren/23910530007/

 

[BillyC80]

You’d almost have to chart separately which missed layups/bunnies/chippies/dunks are clean enough looks, even if defended, that they should have been makes, to gauge how much we suck at it.

There are definitely times when you say, “how did he miss that?” because even in traffic it was totally makeable. We do seem to have more of those types of misses than our opponents, but it may just seem that way because we’re more focused on our team’s misses.

 

[zebnatto]

Not sure, but I don’t think he was making excuses. I think he was pointing out that we take way too many off balance, off angle, bad decision layups. Which is true. It’s a big part of why we suck around the rim. Forcing stuff that just isn’t there.

That’s not defending anything or denying there’s a problem. It’s analyzing the problem.

Good point: the: “if you get the ball anywhere near the rim you have to put it up” error.

 

[Unionst]

Article is from 2015 but still relevant today
Men's basketball: Layups aren't the high-percentage shots you might think
>Supposedly the easiest shot in basketball, the layup isn't always a gimme. In fact, only a little more than half of shots described as layups in college basketball end up going through the hoop.<


https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/college/2015/02/20/men-s-basketball-layups-aren/23910530007/

Hmm. Turns out we’re average. No surprise there. Great article.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Like the article says, the best couple of teams shoot 70% on lay ups and the worst teams mid 40%…so they difference between success and failure is razor thin…shooting 60% instead of 50% is 2 or 3 more baskets per game and a big swing

It’s the same as the diffeenxe from being 38% from 3 and 32% from three and the same as being 74% from the line
Instead of 65%

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Statistics are useful when making a claim.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Statistics are useful when making a claim.

In this case, not even. Lay up attempts are not differentiated between uncontested fast breaks and drives into traffic in penetration. How could any analysis treating those two sets of odds as the same be taken seriously?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

In this case, not even. Lay up attempts are not differentiated between uncontested fast breaks and drives into traffic in penetration. How could any analysis treating those two sets of odds as the same be taken seriously?

Point taken, however with a large enough sample size, conclusions can be made.

 

[MADHAT1]

Point taken, however with a large enough sample size, conclusions can be made.

All the factors must be looked at when looking at the missed layup iissue and missing uncontested layups deserve to be criticized.
But no one should think all layups are gimmies
That's where looking at stats helps, but a lot of times don't tell the whole story

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I have a laundry list of concerns with this team. I have to say missing layups aren’t on the list.

 

[SBP]

Deserves bump

 

[SBP]

I have a laundry list of concerns with this team. I have to say missing layups aren’t on the list.

Hmmmmmm