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Theoretically if the current class underwhelms AND there isn't improvement from last year's class AND we take 2 steps backwards on the court this year there will be legitimate discussions.
 
I just don't want to tie up a scholarship this coming season for someone who will be sitting out.After a sit out year he could play a year and than transfer like Nigel did. I also don't want another guy competing against Mathis, Baker, McConnell, Kiss etc and possibly causing us to lose Mulcahy. There are only 80 minutes between our two guard positions and I would like to keep the guys we already have.
 
No such thing as “job security “ I dont care if a coach has a ten year contract. Do I think Pike will get fired if we go 2 games under 500 next year, NO. But I think he will be somewhat on the hot seat if he does and needs to go post season the following year. He is definitely Building something special and I’m not a Debbie downer but the reality is there. I just think this next year is key to getting a winning record and he needs all the help he can get now.

Zero shot....again for the umpteenth time....this is a 2 year window....2018 and 2019 recruiting for the most part will be done before this team plays one game this season....or essentially it's 2 years with players essentially finalized for the next 2 seasons....i am not saying games this season wont impact 2020 or 2021 recruiting for the program but win loss record has NO as in zero impact on Pike whatsoever....
 
The answer is somewhere in between. We are entering Year 3 and if we go backwards on court after going sideways in year 2 the program would lose any momentum it has.

The other factor is the day will come sooner than later that institutional support goes away. Firing coaches years away from ends of contracts won’t be options.
 
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Zero shot....again for the umpteenth time....this is a 2 year window....2018 and 2019 recruiting for the most part will be done before this team plays one game this season....or essentially it's 2 years with players essentially finalized for the next 2 seasons....i am not saying games this season wont impact 2020 or 2021 recruiting for the program but win loss record has NO as in zero impact on Pike whatsoever....
Won loss record ALWAYS has an impact.
 
Coach P's job in jeopardy???? R U kidding? He is going to be given several years to turn this ship around and one more year of under .500 is not going to put him on the hot seat. If year 5 and still not winning record then let's talk.

Actually Coach P is on the hot seat right now. He only has 14 months left in that seat. After that he will have a new seat in the RWJ Barnabas APC.
 
Jacob Young is on his visit right now.... Thursday to Saturday. I guess we will hear some reports in a few days. Looks like we are going hard after him.

@Russ Wood Just curious, what are your thoughts on Jacob Young as a PG and a player? What do you think he can add to Rutgers?
 
Key words here: “this program needs wins now” and so does Coach P! If the team goes under 500, there is a chance Pikiell ‘s job will be in jeopardy. I truly hope that is not the case but that’s the reality of big time athletics.

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Won loss record ALWAYS has an impact.

The specific question was 2019 recruiting....and on Pike......neither are going to be determined based on this coming season.....that doesn't mean RU can go 10-22 (which wont happen), but too many phony narratives being tossed around, with no supporting information.....everyone wants to be Mike and the Mad Dog I guess, with clichés, etc....
 
The specific question was 2019 recruiting....and on Pike......neither are going to be determined based on this coming season.....that doesn't mean RU can go 10-22 (which wont happen), but too many phony narratives being tossed around, with no supporting information.....everyone wants to be Mike and the Mad Dog I guess, with clichés, etc....
I've read the posts. Nowhere do I see or anyone else commenting about the won loss being important for 2019 recruiting. You and many others continue to downplay the impact the won loss record has on perception on the program when, in fact, it is the most important factor. No one would argue that next year's record is going to have any major impact on 2019 recruiting because anyone that remotely follows college basketball knows the Fall period is where you have to succeed.
 
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Theoretically if the current class underwhelms AND there isn't improvement from last year's class AND we take 2 steps backwards on the court this year there will be legitimate discussions.

There are so many IFs in that theory that it's not even worth considering at this point. Why bend over backwards to create negative hypotheticals??
 
Theoretically if the current class underwhelms AND there isn't improvement from last year's class AND we take 2 steps backwards on the court this year there will be legitimate discussions.

Well, of COURSE there would be legitimate discussion. But that is three hypotheticals. The chances of either of the first two happening is remote, and if either or neither happens, the third is even more remote. GRF is saying, OK, Geo, Eugene, Thiam and Duke might not improve, and our incoming group of Kiss, Johnson, Mathis, Harper, McConnell and Carter might be "underwhelming". GRF and the Colonel have been rather down this off-season; the Colonel who had been chafing about recruiting, was somewhat mollified when McConnell signed on.

Would guess much of their concern stems from what we lost--Corey, Williams and Freeman. To some, those players had no flaws. They were stalwarts; irreplaceable. All that experience. All that drive. All that energy. All those stats. Still believe we have far more depth across the board, especially at guard, where we really had only three players so Corey and Geo had to play killer minutes, and then Geo was felled by injury and illness. Front court has more depth, as well--not just a foul-prone Duke with Doorson backing him up, but now we add Johnson. Various options at the 3-4. Will all of these new players play well? Maybe not all will at the start, or even their first year. But doubt we have as many as two duds of the six and my money's on zero. Some will be contributing by the end of non-conference this fall.

As far as development goes--one only has to look at Wisconsin's Frank Kaminsky who scored 4 a game freshman year; was an All-American; and now a solid NBA player. Don't look at Issa and Duke, both of who should maybe have been red shirted except we couldn't do it and think that this is necessarily all they will ever be. Or that Geo and Eugene will not continue to make strides. Understand that staking out this ground means you can later claim you were afraid what would happen all the time. You never know--we might be wiped out by a rogue comet next week. Worry about that instead.
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Jacob Young is on his visit right now.... Thursday to Saturday. I guess we will hear some reports in a few days. Looks like we are going hard after him.

@Russ Wood Just curious, what are your thoughts on Jacob Young as a PG and a player? What do you think he can add to Rutgers?
I'm not impressed. He's definitely not his older brother or even his father, but he probably thinks that he is.

He's an undersized 2G who jacks up a lot of shots. He'll sprint to the corner in transition and wait for someone to pass him the ball so he can catch-and-shoot. Missed my first 15 field goal attempts? No problem, the 16th will go in so I'll keep shooting. Shot selection isn't the greatest. I watched the NCAA Tournament game against Nevada and he had at least two airballs. One of them was WAAAYYY off.

He plays with great energy and has a nice burst off the bounce in transition. Shows some toughness. I'm just not a fan of his overall game.
 
I was not blown away with the film I saw of him. But, he did hit 6 of 7 threes in a tourney game.
Yup Big XII Tournament loss to Texas Tech. The game after that he made one-of-six. The game before that he had one-of-seven.

That's 2-of-13 if you're keeping track.

Like I said in my other post: Missed my first 15 field goal attempts? No problem, the 16th will go in so I'll keep shooting.
 
I guess we will see because based on his comments it looks like Rutgers is looking at him as a PG. He said the staff told him they are looking for someone to run the show.
 
I guess we will see because based on his comments it looks like Rutgers is looking at him as a PG. He said the staff told him they are looking for someone to run the show.
Yeah but did they tell him that they want him to run the show? I say that half jokingly because that would be interesting to watch. I'd love to see him pass the ball, I didn't watch many Texas games this season, but in the games I did I don't recall Young passing it much. He either caught it and shot it or drove to the basket to score.

Shaka Smart sure wasn't trying to use Young as a point guard. The kid is wired to score, he hunts buckets.
 
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i am optimistic about the 6 new players s a whole. just not a sure thing, things are not binary.

i am really looking forward to next season
 
Yeah but did they tell him that they want him to run the show? I say that half jokingly because that would be interesting to watch. I'd love to see him pass the ball, I didn't watch many Texas games this season, but in the games I did I don't recall Young passing it much. He either caught it and shot it or drove to the basket to score.

Shaka Smart sure wasn't trying to use Young as a point guard. The kid is wired to score, he hunts buckets.

That's a quote from Young that Richie posted on the other board... Maybe this visit is about talking to him to see if he really wants to be a true PG or if he thinks he is Steph Curry.
 
Yup Big XII Tournament loss to Texas Tech. The game after that he made one-of-six. The game before that he had one-of-seven.

That's 2-of-13 if you're keeping track.

Like I said in my other post: Missed my first 15 field goal attempts? No problem, the 16th will go in so I'll keep shooting.

Misleading. You are doing the same thing that the first post did with the 6 out of 7. The kid shot 32% from three last year. Stop picking a small sample size that fits your agenda.
 
I'm not impressed. He's definitely not his older brother or even his father, but he probably thinks that he is.

He's an undersized 2G who jacks up a lot of shots. He'll sprint to the corner in transition and wait for someone to pass him the ball so he can catch-and-shoot. Missed my first 15 field goal attempts? No problem, the 16th will go in so I'll keep shooting. Shot selection isn't the greatest. I watched the NCAA Tournament game against Nevada and he had at least two airballs. One of them was WAAAYYY off.

He plays with great energy and has a nice burst off the bounce in transition. Shows some toughness. I'm just not a fan of his overall game.
This seems to be what im hearing too. Im not thrilled about wasting a ship on him.

Sounds to me like we landed a poor mans nigel johnson. Bad take imo
 
This seems to be what im hearing too. Im not thrilled about wasting a ship on him.

Sounds to me like we landed a poor mans nigel johnson. Bad take imo
I would have preferred Mulcahy but Pikiell must have have made a judgement that he was going to pick another school and thus the commitment by Young.
 
Well, hes been on a d1 court for 2 years. So to say he hasnt stepped on the floor yet is a little misleading
Kiss wasn't a finished product when he came to us but pikiell and staff worked hard to develop him..now it sounds like hes going to be one of our better overall players next year. Kiss played for a small school and got starter minutes..I get that he had more playing time than young. But if kiss went to a school like Texas, who is to say his situation wouldn't have played out similarly. What you see is not what you will get with these sit out transfers. You have to factor in how much the staff thinks it can improve the player over the course of a RS year and they obviously must like him a lot. This kid has bloodlines and needs a staff filled with guards to teach him how to play defense.
 
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This seems to be what im hearing too. Im not thrilled about wasting a ship on him.

Sounds to me like we landed a poor mans nigel johnson. Bad take imo
"Wasting a ship on him"? C'mon now kinda early for that take.

Have some faith in your head coach. Clearly Pikiell sees something in Young that he likes/needs or he would not have offered him a scholarship, spent money to bring him to Rutgers on an official visit and accepted his commitment.
 
Kiss wasn't a finished product when he came to us but pikiell and staff worked hard to develop him..now it sounds like hes going to be one of our better overall players next year. Kiss played for a small school and got starter minutes..I get that he had more playing time than young. But if kiss went to a school like Texas, who is to say his situation wouldn't have played out similarly. What you see is not what you will get with these sit out transfers. You have to factor in how much the staff thinks it can improve the player over the course of a RS year and they obviously must like him a lot. This kid has bloodlines and needs a staff filled with guards to teach him how to play defense.
If you are scouting kids, Kiss and Young are two very different players when they were being recruited.
 
Young either works really hard and works to a starter, or he is a back up pg. I think right now he is being recruited for depth.
 
In the interview with his teammates that I saw, working hard is not a problem with Young. Seems like an intense competitor, now can he play composed and smart?
 
Kiss wasn't a finished product when he came to us but pikiell and staff worked hard to develop him..now it sounds like hes going to be one of our better overall players next year. Kiss played for a small school and got starter minutes..I get that he had more playing time than young. But if kiss went to a school like Texas, who is to say his situation wouldn't have played out similarly. What you see is not what you will get with these sit out transfers. You have to factor in how much the staff thinks it can improve the player over the course of a RS year and they obviously must like him a lot. This kid has bloodlines and needs a staff filled with guards to teach him how to play defense.
Kiss started playing bball im high school, raw is an understatement. Youngs been ballin since he could stand up
 
There's too many jumps to conclusions made because we were able to land Young....we're still recruiting the same players, status quo....kids transfer out every single season.

I havent found anyone offering a Plan B for not landing any guards for next year 2019-2020...."let's take a grad transfer that clogs minutes", isn't my idea of building a program for the future.

Next steps are to find the grad transfer OR continue to shoot high for Aundre Hyatt.....by all accounts if you landed McConnell, Young, Hyatt and 2019 recruit of your choice, i would consider that a win-win....
 
If you are scouting kids, Kiss and Young are two very different players when they were being recruited.
it doesnt matter if they play the same position..both are guys the staff identified as those they think they can develop over the course of a RS year
 
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Again, go look at James Palmer's numbers at Miami. I bet there were Nebraska fans saying it was a waste to take him.

This doesn't guarantee anything with Young, obviously, but at least let it play out.
 
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