Pike coaching this team is like a triple option coach being asked to transition to an air raid

[AshCatchEm]

It proves that this post makes sense. You know, the post you were making fun of? I don't have to act very smart to run circles around you lol.

By reducing the number of points opponents score against us.

Yes I understand you think this a smart answer. We have not made the tournament in 2 years and there's a chance we miss it a third year in a row. His defense "reduces the number of points scored". Good for him. That's nothing to hang a hat on. The goal of the program is to go to the tournament. If you have the best defense in the country and you don't make the tournament, your team is still a failure. Act smart all you want but the common reader can see through your nonsense. You aren't proving anything

 

[fluoxetine]

Yes I understand you think this a smart answer. We have not made the tournament in 2 years and there's a chance we miss it a third year in a row. His defense "reduces the number of points scored". Good for him. That's nothing to hang a hat on. The goal of the program is to go to the tournament. If you have the best defense in the country and you don't make the tournament, your team is still a failure. Act smart all you want but the common reader can see through your nonsense. You aren't proving anything

We were talking about defense you monumentally stupid ****. You can be good at defense without being good overall lol

 

[RutgersChow]

Friend, friend, I know this is difficult for you but I’m trying to write below a third grade level here.

How have the teams been at defense? To be clear, defense is the part of the game where man on your team try stop bad man from other team to put ball in basket

Nobody likes you. You're like the dumb person who puts everyone else down so he can feel smart.

 

[fluoxetine]

Nobody likes you.

Possibly. Calling you an idiot is for sure rude.

You're like the dumb person who puts everyone else down so he can feel smart.

lol no. Imagine thinking I was using “Big Ten Tournaments made” as an argument for Pike as a coach.

Hahahahahaha what an idiot

 

[AshCatchEm]

Possibly. Calling you an idiot is for sure rude.



lol no. Imagine thinking I was using “Big Ten Tournaments made” as an argument for Pike as a coach.

Hahahahahaha what an idiot

Why is NCAA tournaments made not a benchmark to judge pikiell on? What is your idea of a successful coach? How many missed tournament years In a row is still acceptable in your mind?

I want an actual analysis of your expectations for the program and how to judge success. Or do you have no real expectations and pike has as long a leash as he requires? Are you his son or something?

 

[higgins3]

Pikiell will have to navigate portal a lot better next year. I am confident this team will get better this year, and they have to start winning games now.

Pikiell took a lot of players from bad, or lower level teams and expected them to perform at the top stage. That will rarely, if ever work. Will PJ and Acuff even sniff the floor this year? Is Martini a liability on both ends? Scout guys from top level teams, or just do the old school and get HS players.

Times are changing for sure, and Pikiell has to navigate it. He gets paid the big bucks. He is a good guy, and I am hopeful the team will improve this year. Any injuries to major players though and his lack of planning will get questioned.

 

[fluoxetine]

Why is NCAA tournaments made not a benchmark to judge pikiell on?

What are you talking about?

What is your idea of a successful coach? How many missed tournament years In a row is still acceptable in your mind?

It depends how you miss them and on lots of factors. It also doesn’t really matter what you and I think is “acceptable”.

But he did fail last year (there were some mitigating factors imo). He looks to be failing this year but I’ll reserve full judgment until the season plays out. But it’s not a good start.

The disagreement is about the *reasons*. To me, Pike is a solid basketball COACH, with an emphasis on the role of COACH being to win with the roster that exists. He is very good at coaching defense, mediocre to below average at coaching offense, and on average solid to good, imo.

The issues stem from a recruiting/roster construction standpoint. I was willing to give him a pass on this for a while because he was building from the ground up, and the 2019-2023 period I think was done pretty well given the circumstances. But we have reached a point where this is his program and he needs to do better. If we were to miss the tournament this year and next I would probably start to agree with the people who want to move on. I do absolutely have concerns.

 

[RUDivision]

Maybe Pike is not a good coach.

Pike is a great assistant coach on a power 5 team. Only can impact one side of the game and is bad at X and O’s, inbounds, substitutions, player usage, portal, roster construction.

Pike can coach at lower levels or 2nd tier talent in the power 5 that has to play his defensive philosophy if they want to play.

He has ZERO absolutely NO clue on how to run any offense and his inability to run plays to get shots for his 3 point shooters is embarrassing, Especially when you have 2 studs double and triple teamed every play, Pike you don’t even need to run a play just have them spotted in the deep corners. Easiest shot in basketball.

Having a lineup of Ace or Dylan surrounded by Jwill, Jmike, and Detcack should be grounds for termination. Let’s have our opponents double and triple our best scorers and there outlets to kick the ball for a shot our literally 3 of the worst shooters in all college basketball. (None of which are plus defenders)

Pike completely missed in the portal two years in a row . Most of last years team all transferred and none of them are playing starter minutes or having any success at less schools. ( yes Cliff but his minutes have been cut and being used as a rotation player)

The program has gone backwards 5 years in a row and if he doesn’t figure this out quickly he will set RU hoops back 2 decades.

Pikes time is almost over. Clocks ticking Pike!

Tick tock

 

[fluoxetine]

Also, an elephant in the room from a roster perspective: we have one superstar, not two. Ace Bailey has great potential but he is not a kid ready to carry a power conference team on his back. He was a detriment to our team yesterday, as was Jeremiah Williams. It’s going to be hard for any coach to win when their 2nd and 3rd best players play like complete ass.

 

[RUDivision]

Also, an elephant in the room from a roster perspective: we have one superstar, not two. Ace Bailey has great potential but he is not a kid ready to carry a power conference team on his back. He was a detriment to our team yesterday, as was Jeremiah Williams. It’s going to be hard for any coach to win when their 2nd and 3rd best players play like complete ass.

Agree but a HUGE part of that is Pikes inability to coach offense and create plus matchups for Ace. Or hell just get him in space. Ace is being doubled and tripled and clearly pressing.

However,when he is on the court with the WORST 3 shooters in college basketball he knows he can’t pass the ball so he presses more. Ace’s lack of early development is completely on Pike and his inability to acquire the right complimentary players or play the right lineups.

Pike is doing more harm then good and any moment or work he has done rebuilding the program could all be erased in 3 months and leaving us in a worst position then before he arrived.

Clocks ticking Pike

Tick tock

 

[winfield102]

a good coach should be be adaptable to his personnel on any given year. Danny hurley had a similar philosophy but changed . Granted he had multiple first round picks and better players but you get my point.

You can’t coach the same way every year if you have a completely different team. You have to adapt and have different ways to win. I would play super uptempo and go smaller and just try to out score teams at this point. We don’t play d or rebound great anyways so what’s the difference , might as well embrace a more offensive style

I agree, going all in on offenses is our only option. Unfortunately, we have enough games under our belt to see that they're not being coached properly on offense.
Pike has a track record (years) of accepting of ill -advised shots. He and Schiano are very similar. Both are ok with pissing away offensive possessions. It took until November of this year for Schiano to finally wake up.

What are the odds of Pike changing by next week?

This team is cooked. No postseason for them.

 

[zappaa]

a good coach should be be adaptable to his personnel on any given year. Danny hurley had a similar philosophy but changed . Granted he had multiple first round picks and better players but you get my point.

You can’t coach the same way every year if you have a completely different team. You have to adapt and have different ways to win. I would play super uptempo and go smaller and just try to out score teams at this point. We don’t play d or rebound great anyways so what’s the difference , might as well embrace a more offensive style

How do you play super uptempo when 3 of the 5 players on the floor have no handle?

How do you play uptempo when you’re giving up points at a ridiculous rate? From the baseline?

 

[Shell21]

How do you play super uptempo when 3 of the 5 players on the floor have no handle?

How do you play uptempo when you’re giving up points at a ridiculous rate? From the baseline?

you are dribbling less if you playing uptempo . Push the ball ahead with the pass and sprinting to fill lanes and rim run. The dribbling part comes with more straight line and diagonal drives in the open court verses in a crowded and slower half court situation.

In regards to rebounding and teams scoring on us, they’re already doing that so if we speed them up, we can force them into quicker shots than some teams would like and hopefully benefit from rushed shots.

 

[RUisB1Gtime]

Pikes coaching is fine..It's his recruiting ....too many busts...Gavin Griffiths, The 4 Star Freshman who went pro ( forgot his name) J Davis, Derek Simpson, Dean Reiber, power foward from Cleveland, Martini etc etc.....waaaay too many busts..

 

[RutgersDom]

We all couldve seen this coming. The players pike has are a mismatch for his coaching philosophy.

Pikes best teams and greatest successes are when he had blue collar upper classmen who were operating for multiple years in his defensive oriented system. In the NIL era, this is a mishmash of random kids thrown together having no time to learn a system, develop and gel.

Imo pike needs to get back to his roots which was long term development of blue collar kids and retaining players. The issue is just, is that even a reality in the NIL era of college basketball? While pikes original model probably sets a ceiling of first weekend of ncaa tourney it is what hes most successful with.

If you wanna argue his ceiling is overall very low and first weekend type of coach, thats fine, I agree. But with the way things are going of random players thrown together every year these past 2 years, the new ceiling is hoping youre getting a 1st round bye in the big ten tourney

Talk to me late January...

 

[rutgersal]

I don’t really think this take is correct..

The problem with this team isn’t that it doesn’t fit his philosophy. If Pike of all people can’t get this roster to play defense and rebound competently then I’m not convinced anyone can.

The problem is everyone sucks except for the obvious two and even Ace a bit raw and isn’t ready to carry a team in the Big Ten.

Bingo. This is the issue. We blew our NIL on the two players, but didn’t have the resources to surround them with appropriate support players. I would give Ace time, as it will take time for him to acclimate to this level of competition. We just have to bide our time and hope the guys play better.

 

[KK1827]

Talk to me late January...

I hope the season does a 180. But at a certain point the “it’s still early” narrative is going to change to, “it’s getting lat early”

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

You are correc, If he doesn’t adapt, he might as well go the way of Jay Wright and Tony Bennett. Developing players means nothing anymore unless you are doing it in-season for that season. If Pike doesn’t adapt to recruiting only very high-level high school players and getting real talent out of the portal instead of what he’s getting, he will be a dinosaur. NIL has changed the college game for the worst and this is pro basketball now.

I think he should go the way of Jay and Tony too...winning a natty.

 

[LotusAggressor]

a good coach should be be adaptable to his personnel on any given year. Danny hurley had a similar philosophy but changed . Granted he had multiple first round picks and better players but you get my point.

You can’t coach the same way every year if you have a completely different team. You have to adapt and have different ways to win. I would play super uptempo and go smaller and just try to out score teams at this point. We don’t play d or rebound great anyways so what’s the difference , might as well embrace a more offensive style

To effectively play uptempo, you do need to rebound and defend.

 

[RUGiddy777]

What are you talking about?



It depends how you miss them and on lots of factors. It also doesn’t really matter what you and I think is “acceptable”.

But he did fail last year (there were some mitigating factors imo). He looks to be failing this year but I’ll reserve full judgment until the season plays out. But it’s not a good start.

The disagreement is about the *reasons*. To me, Pike is a solid basketball COACH, with an emphasis on the role of COACH being to win with the roster that exists. He is very good at coaching defense, mediocre to below average at coaching offense, and on average solid to good, imo.

The issues stem from a recruiting/roster construction standpoint. I was willing to give him a pass on this for a while because he was building from the ground up, and the 2019-2023 period I think was done pretty well given the circumstances. But we have reached a point where this is his program and he needs to do better. If we were to miss the tournament this year and next I would probably start to agree with the people who want to move on. I do absolutely have concerns.

Same. Love pike and hope he never leaves. But the expectation now is tournament every year. If missing this year and next, that’ll be 4 years without (admittedly, 22-23 was an ACL away from the tourney) and momentum will start to turn against the program.

 

[bethlehemfan]

To effectively play uptempo, you do need to rebound and defend.

It helps if your overall team is quicker than the opponent. We are not quick up and down the roster.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Same. Love pike and hope he never leaves. But the expectation now is tournament every year. If missing this year and next, that’ll be 4 years without (admittedly, 22-23 was an ACL away from the tourney) and momentum will start to turn against the program.

and a Myles Johnson injury from a Sweet 16

 

[RUDivision]

and a Myles Johnson injury from a Sweet 16

Pike completely blew the Houston game costing the sweet 16. Myles would have been nice to have but that was a low end coach in his first big moment and he panicked.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Pike completely blew the Houston game costing the sweet 16. Myles would have been nice to have but that was a low end coach in his first big moment and he panicked.

If Myles was healthy the putback was slammed home and the game was over