Pike Failed the Fans, Minimal Effort Towards NIL Raising Would’ve Made For a Special Season

[rutgersal]

Schiano is by no means bringing in the same caliber of player. That’s laughable

Which recruits are better than what we’re bringing in in basketball? They are listed below. We have two power 5 transfers, though Zilinskas could redshirt. The rest are James Madison types or similar.

Hard to see these transfers getting us to competitive with OSU, PSU, and Oregon, but hope springs eternal.




RB
CJ Campbell Jr.
1
Florida Atlantic
WR
DT Sheffield
1
North Texas
TE
Colin Weber
1
Charlotte
OL
Hank Zilinskas
2
Colorado
DE
Eric O'Neill
1
James Madison
DE
Bradley Weaver
1
Ohio
DT
Doug Blue-Eli
1
South Florida
DT
Darold DeNgohe
3
James Madison
CB
Jacobie Henderson
2
Marshall
CB
Cam Miller
1
Penn State
S
Jett Elad
1
UNLV

 

[KK1827]

Your ideas lack business IQ. This isn’t a sales pitch to a group of investors. People have to see value in what Pikiell is presenting and these people need to have a strong interest in the success of Rutgers Basketball. Otherwise the presentation won’t have any value, and they’re not going to attend. There just aren’t any whales waiting to meaningfully invest in Rutgers Basketball. So it falls on those wanting a successful program to do so.

Al, I actually think you lack brain cells. You do realize there are wealthy individuals with some kind of connection to Rutgers/ perhaps even RU bball fans, right? Those folks arent you.

In otherwords Al, there are folks in fortune 500 boardrooms who are connected to RU or RU bball. The court club (and theyre great valuable fans) is largely comprised of people not capable of stroking annual 6-figure checks

 

[KK1827]

has gs had a national relevant win in 19 years and dont give me the phony usf #2 ranking...besides that

has he had one since coming home

He hasnt and he needs to soon. But I’m not expecting him to beat a top 5 team tbh. Football is a different animal. Bball you see us lose to a team with a NET in the 300’s and you also see us beat #1. In football you dont lose a d3 equivalent and then beat #1. Different sports.

Has GS lost any games since coming back where we’ve been favored?

 

[bac2therac]

All this is moot, because we’re in the Big Ten now, and we’re not leaving. Now the only question is are we going to be a bottom feeder, or are we going to compete.

no one says the Big10 has to remain, there are may be some 50 school superleague where RU isnt wanted

 

[bac2therac]

He hasnt and he needs to soon. But I’m not expecting him to beat a top 5 team tbh. Football is a different animal. Bball you see us lose to a team with a NET in the 300’s and you also see us beat #1. In football you dont lose a d3 equivalent and then beat #1. Different sports.

Has GS lost any games since coming back where we’ve been favored?

was RU not favored to beat UCLA

 

[bac2therac]

where is GS win at #1 ranked Purdue....does he even have a win equivalent to beating #23 Illinois

oh yeah bahahahaha...lets ice a 55 yard kick in a 40mph swirling wind

but he won a bowl game vs Miami whose entire team opted out...but he beat a mediocre Minnesota...oooh that is fine right there...the highlight of the season

 

[KK1827]

was RU not favored to beat UCLA

Yes, that’s one. 4 point favs and lost. But its kinda hard to find any game where we were favored/had more talent that gs has lost

 

[bac2therac]

Yes, that’s one. 4 point favs and lost. But its kinda hard to find any game where we were favored/had more talent that gs has lost

football has zero bar apparently

saying you are expecting to lose so its okay to keep losing to every school better than you..good one

 

[KK1827]

where is GS win at #1 ranked Purdue....does he even have a win equivalent to beating #23 Illinois

oh yeah bahahahaha...lets ice a 55 yard kick in a 40mph swirling wind

1) bball ranked wins are a dime a dozen
2) we shouldve beat illinois of course, nobody is denying that
3) purdue wound up having their season ended by saint peters and fdu in those seasons which kinda says something

 

[KK1827]

football has zero bar apparently

saying you are expecting to lose so its okay to keep losing to every school better than you..good one

Theres a bar. Going into year 6. The bar is the same as it is for bball, get to 7-5 (the equivalent of dancing) and anything less is a disappointment.

 

[rutgersal]

no one says the Big10 has to remain, there are may be some 50 school superleague where RU isnt wanted

That superleague is impractical for Olympic sports and basketball. I’ll believe it when I see it

 

[bac2therac]

1) bball ranked wins are a dime a dozen
2) we shouldve beat illinois of course, nobody is denying that
3) purdue wound up having their season ended by saint peters and fdu in those seasons which kinda says something

gs hasnt won anything of relevance for 19years...yes or no

 

[rutgersal]

Al, I actually think you lack brain cells. You do realize there are wealthy individuals with some kind of connection to Rutgers/ perhaps even RU bball fans, right? Those folks arent you.

In otherwords Al, there are folks in fortune 500 boardrooms who are connected to RU or RU bball. The court club (and theyre great valuable fans) is largely comprised of people not capable of stroking annual 6-figure checks

You’re out of your goddamn mind if you think there are whales just waiting to be asked to stroke a 6 figure figure check to Rutgers basketball. Since you won’t, why should they? Come back from fantasyland. Here’s a newsflash for you “*They don’t care*”.

 

[bac2therac]

That superleague is impractical for Olympic sports and basketball. I’ll believe it when I see it

they dont have to do it for those sports though...go back to regional leagues very easily

 

[bac2therac]

1) bball ranked wins are a dime a dozen
2) we shouldve beat illinois of course, nobody is denying that
3) purdue wound up having their season ended by saint peters and fdu in those seasons which kinda says something

notre dame lost to northern illinois but somehow that was overlooked and they made the playoffs

 

[RUGiddy777]

Alloco wanted to go close to home
I think Cliff just wanted out
We have no idea how much money they had or used

Pike tried to get Allocco. And Wolf. And Bradshaw.

 

[KK1827]

gs hasnt won anything of relevance for 19years...yes or no

Yes. Has any program other than wrestling? Beating a purdue team who went on to have their season ended by fdu and st peters isnt as impressive as you think. Bball upsets are the norm

 

[KK1827]

You’re out of your goddamn mind if you think there are whales just waiting to be asked to stroke a 6 figure figure check to Rutgers basketball. Since you won’t, why should they? Come back from fantasyland. Here’s a newsflash for you “*They don’t care*”.

How is GS making it happen?

 

[rutgersal]

How is GS making it happen?

He’s got longstanding relationships he’s built over 16 years he’s been here, and he has whales he can turn to. Not clear that Pikiell has same.

 

[KK1827]

He’s got longstanding relationships he’s built over 16 years he’s been here, and he has whales he can turn to. Not clear that Pikiell has same.

this is pikes ________ season here?

 

[biazza38]

Which recruits are better than what we’re bringing in in basketball? They are listed below. We have two power 5 transfers, though Zilinskas could redshirt. The rest are James Madison types or similar.

Hard to see these transfers getting us to competitive with OSU, PSU, and Oregon, but hope springs eternal.




RB
CJ Campbell Jr.
1
Florida Atlantic
WR
DT Sheffield
1
North Texas
TE
Colin Weber
1
Charlotte
OL
Hank Zilinskas
2
Colorado
DE
Eric O'Neill
1
James Madison
DE
Bradley Weaver
1
Ohio
DT
Doug Blue-Eli
1
South Florida
DT
Darold DeNgohe
3
James Madison
CB
Jacobie Henderson
2
Marshall
CB
Cam Miller
1
Penn State
S
Jett Elad
1
UNLV

Eric O’Neill was already talked about as someone who possibly could have gone to the NFL draft this year. Not to mention our QB this past year was from the portal. I’m done. I could talk about Flip Dixon, and others who have come here in the portal and played at a B1G level, but I’m not going to because it’s so painfully obvious how bad basketball has done in the portal the last two seasons

 

[ancienthooper]

How is GS making it happen?

Let’s be real. Your left kneepad says “Greggie” and the right says “Sha.” Gobble gobble.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

I said this a few times before. Not making the NCAA tourney with Ace and Dylan is a fireable offense. Don't care about the contract or past goodwill. Pike should be fired barring a miracle.

 

[rutgersal]

this is pikes ________ season here?

9th but there is likely overlap between whales who support football and basketball. So they might support football for now.

 

[ru66]

Guys that constantly put RU down suck.Worst they enjoy it. Bac why do you relish doing just that?? If you dislike the school or it's teams stop being that kind if fan

 

[fluoxetine]

And I pointed out that Pike is trending downward. Which he has.

Eh, barely. He's bounced around. Obviously the last couple years have been pretty disappointing.

Pike is in year 9 and has established zero offensive identity and failed to produce a winning record with two top 5 (maybe top 3 picks). When Schiano fails like that, then let me know.
You wanted to know why people are down on Pike, that’s why.

Well no that's not what I asked. Actually I didn't ask a question at all. I think it's funny and odd that people evaluate similar results so wildly differently across the two programs.

Because we look like drunk chickens with our heads cut off for half the game. You can ignore that all you want. I don’t care. But at least football is watchable.
Basketball has not been watchable since Mag went down at MSG two freaking years ago. We’re 30-39 in our last 69 games. There’s your answer

Dude football was 100% unwatchable like two years ago.

You do realize you can ask college bball coaches and they themselves will tell you rebuilding a 10 man roster is a lot easier than rebuilding an 85 man roster right? Its not even debate worthy haha.

Who are these college basketball coaches with experience rebuilding an 85 man roster?

 

[RUGiddy777]

Guys that constantly put RU down suck.Worst they enjoy it. Bac why do you relish doing just that?? If you dislike the school or it's teams stop being that kind if fan

Bac is a superfan who is exhausted and dejected, and rightfully so. Bac rides this rollercoaster in the front seat. Cut him some slack - he’s not one of these clowns who only show up to dunk on the program when things aren’t going well (kyk).

 

[rutgersal]

Eric O’Neill was already talked about as someone who possibly could have gone to the NFL draft this year. Not to mention our QB this past year was from the portal. I’m done. I could talk about Flip Dixon, and others who have come here in the portal and played at a B1G level, but I’m not going to because it’s so painfully obvious how bad basketball has done in the portal the last two seasons

Speculative. We’re talking about his potential.

Hope you’re right, and rooting for him this year. It’s one thing to dominate at JMU. It’s another to go up against the tackles at Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, and Iowa. There will be nowhere for him to hide.

 

[RUGiddy777]

You’re out of your goddamn mind if you think there are whales just waiting to be asked to stroke a 6 figure figure check to Rutgers basketball. Since you won’t, why should they? Come back from fantasyland. Here’s a newsflash for you “*They don’t care*”.

Kyk thinks “asking rich people for donations” is some idea Pike hasn’t considered. Maybe he can go yell outside of someone’s office - which is how Kyk got Schiano rehired, obviously.

 

[cRURah]

This is what another fan posted on another site

"I sat in attendance at a court club meeting where Pike mentioned the importance of NIL moving forward in basketball recruiting. Many in attendance cringed. You think Pike didn’t notice that? What’s the guy supposed to do? Rob a bank? He can ask like he has but if no one is willing to pony up then what? He is too nice of a guy to come on and just say that he had no money to get players and imagine if he did come out and say that. He would be bashed to no end because that’s what this fanbase does."

He had 2 of the most expensive NIL players in the country, and therefore one of the most expensive rosters.

doesn’t matter where the money came from, nobody here knows for certain, just a bunch of misinformation or speculation.

the NIL spend was top heavy so success was dependent on the 2 superstars being good enough to carry the team despite the quality of the supporting cast.

while the 2 superstars are good, they were not good enough!

 

[RUGiddy777]

He had 2 of the most expensive NIL players in the country, and therefore one of the most expensive rosters.

doesn’t matter where the money came from, nobody here knows for certain, just a bunch of misinformation or speculation.

the NIL spend was top heavy so success was dependent on the 2 superstars being good enough to carry the team despite the quality of the supporting cast.

while the 2 superstars are good, they were not good enough!

To be honest, I still doubt that. We got the hometown discount with Dylan and Ace is just different. I have no doubt that top programs have spent as much as we did on them for guys barely getting minutes.

 

[cRURah]

To be honest, I still doubt that. We got the hometown discount with Dylan and Ace is just different. I have no doubt that top programs have spent as much as we did on them for guys barely getting minutes.

could be true, but those top programs are not performing as poorly.

 

[KK1827]

Kyk thinks “asking rich people for donations” is some idea Pike hasn’t considered. Maybe he can go yell outside of someone’s office - which is how Kyk got Schiano rehired, obviously.

Takes time, effort and strategy. It aint happening with one ask or one phone call.

 

[RUGiddy777]

could be true, but those top programs are not performing as poorly.

They’re deeper and they’re grown men who have been playing at this level.

 

[RUGiddy777]

Takes time, effort and strategy. It aint happening with one ask or one phone call.

You’re just talking out of your ass, thinking some simple idea is some remarkable insight no one has thought about. Do you seriously think Pike doesn’t understand that?

 

[biazza38]

Eh, barely. He's bounced around. Obviously the last couple years have been pretty disappointing.

Well no that's not what I asked. Actually I didn't ask a question at all. I think it's funny and odd that people evaluate similar results so wildly differently across the two programs.

Dude football was 100% unwatchable like two years ago.

Who are these college basketball coaches with experience rebuilding an 85 man roster?

I like how you cut out one small section of my reply but not the whole thing. He’s 9 games under .500 in basketball over the last 69 games. Thats trending downwards

You also mentioned that football was unwatchable two years ago. If you have to compare a basketball team with two top 5 picks to the year 3 rebuild in football, there’s your answer as to why people are off the Pike bandwagon

And I pointed out that Pike is trending downward. Which he has.
Pike is in year 9 and has established zero offensive identity and failed to produce a winning record with two top 5 (maybe top 3 picks). When Schiano fails like that, then let me know.
You wanted to know why people are down on Pike, that’s why. Because we look like drunk chickens with our heads cut off for half the game. You can ignore that all you want. I don’t care. But at least football is watchable.
Basketball has not been watchable since Mag went down at MSG two freaking years ago. We’re 30-39 in our last 69 games. There’s your answer

 

[biazza38]

Speculative. We’re talking about his potential.

Hope you’re right, and rooting for him this year. It’s one thing to dominate at JMU. It’s another to go up against the tackles at Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, and Iowa. There will be nowhere for him to hide.

Give it a rest. One of basketball’s top targets was an undersized Ivy league player that did not belong in the B1G. No fair minded person thinks the portal players brought in by bball the last two seasons are on the same level and contribution that the portal players football has brought in. I’m going to stop here because you do this all the time

 

[fluoxetine]

I like how you cut out one small section of my reply but not the whole thing.

I cut out the section I wanted to reply to. I'm not sure why that's a problem for you.

He’s 9 games under .500 in basketball over the last 69 games. Thats trending downwards

He's below his peak. If you graphed the quality of the team by year you'd get a zig-zagging line.

You also mentioned that football was unwatchable two years ago. If you have to compare a basketball team with two top 5 picks to the year 3 rebuild in football, there’s your answer as to why people are off the Pike bandwagon

(1) To be fair by two year's ago I meant year 4 which might more accurately be called last year, but whatever. Year 4 wasn't "unwatchable" on offense but it was still terrible. Year 3 was lolbad awful. But again, I do not care if we win games 3-0 or 100-97 and both coaches have achieved a respectable but mediocre win total. Greg Schiano has been at Rutgers for 16 years. Generally I will exempt a coach that takes over a bad program for 3 years. So that's 6 years that don't count. Greg Schiano has had one top 25 team in 10 tries. If that's not mediocre I don't know what is.

(2) You are arguing against things I'm not saying. I'm not saying you need to be on the Pike bandwagon. I'm saying it's weird that there are people who are enthusiastically on the Greg Schiano bandwagon who are also extremely far from the Pike bandwagon. This season has eliminated the people who are the opposite, but there have also been people who were enthusiastically on the Pike bandwagon who thought Greg was horrible. I find both these positions weird.

 

[KK1827]

You’re just talking out of your ass, thinking some simple idea is some remarkable insight no one has thought about. Do you seriously think Pike doesn’t understand that?

Im not sure hes put forth the effort required

 

[biazza38]

I cut out the section I wanted to reply to. I'm not sure why that's a problem for you.

He's below his peak. If you graphed the quality of the team by year you'd get a zig-zagging line.

(1) To be fair by two year's ago I meant year 4 which might more accurately be called last year, but whatever. Year 4 wasn't "unwatchable" on offense but it was still terrible. Year 3 was lolbad awful. But again, I do not care if we win games 3-0 or 100-97 and both coaches have achieved a respectable but mediocre win total. Greg Schiano has been at Rutgers for 16 years. Generally I will exempt a coach that takes over a bad program for 3 years. So that's 6 years that don't count. Greg Schiano has had one top 25 team in 10 tries. If that's not mediocre I don't know what is.

(2) You are arguing against things I'm not saying. I'm not saying you need to be on the Pike bandwagon. I'm saying it's weird that there are people who are enthusiastically on the Greg Schiano bandwagon who are also extremely far from the Pike bandwagon. This season has eliminated the people who are the opposite, but there have also been people who were enthusiastically on the Pike bandwagon who thought Greg was horrible. I find both these positions weird.

You don’t think Pike is trending downward. That’s pretty much the root cause to your confusion. It’s right there
I really don’t know why this is so confusing. Schiano did not strike out with two top 5 picks. That’s why people are so out on Pike. He tried to elevate a third string center to starter and grabbed an Ivy League pf that did not belong in the B1G. He should know better in year 9.
Schiano has not made those mistakes (yet). It’s not complicated