The rebounding issue- Going for Blocked Shots

[ancienthooper]

From prior teams we know Pike can coach defense, boxing out and rebounding. Either the coaches have slacked off and not emphasizing it, the players aren't absorbing the coaching or the players don't have the DNA/toughness/desire. It's got to be one or more of these issues.

Good point. I guarantee Pikes and Young’s coaching philosophies have not changed. But how many kids want to be hard-coached these days? And in the back of every coach’s mind is if I hard coach this kid and don’t spend every breathing minute telling him how great he is…he’s in the portal.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

You don't think he would have helped? And 8 rebounds a game is pretty good

Not at over 1M.....that's not a wise investment of money in my opinion.

Cliff went for the money and is 1000% within his rights to do so. He did and fans also tried to say, "well, it was because Pike can't coach offense", LMAO

He is playing 19 minutes a game on a Top 5-10 team and averaging 7PPG and 6RPG, with 1 block and 1 Turnover per game.

He is a better player than Lathan Sommerville and Ogbole and at the same time, he is not worth spending over 1M on as well. The ideal situation is to be more productive with NIL funds. Just because teams overspend, doesn’t mean it was the correct investment.

If a player averages the same PPG and 2 less rebounds per game, with around the same minutes per game, how does that justify spending 1M for that??

The argument that Cliff would be more productive here, with more minutes is NO different than saying the same thing about Lathan Sommerville if he played more minutes. The numbers bear this out.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If a player averages the same PPG and 2 less rebounds per game, with around the same minutes per game, how does that justify spending 1M for that??

Giving up 5-10 less points per game?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

FACTS
Last year we were 5th in adjusted defensive efficiency giving up .921 points per possession. That means giving up 66 points in a 72 possession game

This year we are 128th giving up an adjusted 1.036 points per possession...That means 75 in a 72 possession game

WHY ARE WE 9 POINTS WORSE ON DEFENSE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously!

I NEED AN EXPLANATION!

2 main issues to me.....Ace and the loss of Cliff

Fernandes and Hyatt were not good defenders. Gavin (who did play 44.4% of available minutes) was....no need to say

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[littlenis5]

Good point. I guarantee Pikes and Young’s coaching philosophies have not changed. But how many kids want to be hard-coached these days? And in the back of every coach’s mind is if I hard coach this kid and don’t spend every breathing minute telling him how great he is…he’s in the portal.

I actually think this is nonsense. This is a team of guys who seem to have come here to prove themselves and chose Pike knowing his philosophy.

 

[DHajekRC84]

MOST of the rebounding is coaching....I watch teams with similar size or talent and RU has a full roster (Not all) players who are chasing blocked shots.....what does that mean??

It means this pattern of chasing blocks, started a couple of years ago with Cliff Omoyuri AND has now been passed as a torch to others like Ogbole ...now it's spreading to everyone else on the roster.

Why did RU struggle with getting killed LAST year on the glass?? Cliff would try wild attempts against his man, and would wildly swing for a block.....and abandon rebounding position.....he did get almost 3 blocks, but it's losing basketball.

The PROPER way is to "WALL UP"....this is coaching at a level that is basic but better teams with discipline DONT allow players to "chase blocks"....wall up is standing and raising your arms straight up and not towards the shooter, to avoid fouling the shooter.

Watch games and you will see Ogbole flailing 8 to 10 geet away, trying to block a shot, that he isnt going to block.....which leaves the weakside or paint exposed.....IF the Staff demands discipline and just coaches basics, Ogbole stands his ground and just extendable his arms as high as passible....

As soon as the shot is released, turn from standing still and move towards the hoop OR find a player to box out and then grab the rebound.

There's at least 120 to 150 times on tape last year where Cliff started this incorrectly AND the ataff never corrected it....and others started following this bad habit.

BUT fans see Cliff rebounding and size and he averaged 8 REBS last year.....BUT he was at 9.6 the year before at RU.....with players like Caleb McConnell averaging 5.5, Mag averaging 5, Spencer 4, Hyatt 3 to 4 and Mulcahy 3 to 4.......Cliff wanted blocks or to lead the nation in blocked shots.....blocked shots do NOT win games, rebounds do.

A blocked shot in rrue hoops coaching is a selfish stat, unless it is stopping transition to prevent a layup or dunk. If you are in position between your man and the rim, it's up to YOU as the defender......Ace Bailey getting a weakside block vs a driving player that is NOT his man, is a GOOD block attempt.....he had FOUR blocks yesterday.

This is COACHING MALPRACTICE and easily fixed. But it takes ALL players to stop this fake hustle or attempts, which is not good defense.......players who have smarts and willingness to accept that the defense 1 on 1 is good enough.

OGBOLE averages 0.5 blocks per game.....you are not Cliff.....start rebounding first......THREE rebounds in 10 minutes.....NO blocks, NO Points......it is why he is ineffective as a player..........

Even with Cliff "Stat chasing" blocks last year, we got killed on the.glass with the same issue.....just because it's 20 or more offensive rebounds and only 10 to 15 last year, it's still LOSING basketball on COACHING.

Itz on tape.....BUT here are the numbers from other Indiana opponents that are NOT good.

46-39 Winthrop (14-12 Indiana)

37-29 Chatt (11-8 Indiana)

35-22 Minnesota (12-6 Imdiana)

37-22 SHouState 5-3 SHS on offensive rebounds

48-36 Rutgers (18 to 7 in offensive rebounds by Indiana).

MOST of our issues start and end with this correction.....SIX of the OREBS were from guards on Indiana....SEVEN by Ballo alone. If a guard gets an OREB, it's because its available to get, with the paint open. Well coached teams DO NOT allow players to chase stats with blocked ahots.

When everyone is trying to block shots, even guards, it is THE problem......watch the games and you will see our guards also reaching to try and block shots they will.never block OR possibly wind up fouling a shooter or almost doing so.

IF this simple correction is made, RU cuts down on the rebound deficit by at LEAST 6 to 8 rebounds a game and RU is 13-7 or better in the B1G this year, assuming there are no missed games by Ace, Dylan or Lathan Sommerville.

Keep allowing undisciplined shot block attempts and it's 7-13 in the B1G, same as last year.

much too much for me to read but I didn't have to. You're right. This team also has ZERO clue what is happening just behind them. You need to know where you guy is or feel them in order to build that wall.

Question for you. What is your thought on playing both the bigs together for some time as LS to me seems like he could play the 4.

 

[Scangg]

Its an issue but one of many and certainly not the main reason we are getting crushed on the boards

 

[ru-baby]

YES blocked shots are an issue BUT..

I have been harping all year on the fact that this edition believes GOING FOR STEALS is playing defense.

How many missed steals have opened up wide open 3s...or open lanes etc.

It has to be eating at Pike with his defense background. It's pick up D going for steals, leaving their feet and not boxing out. Why the furor is that it could be corrected. And can be.

 

[Yeah Baby]

inability and or lack of desire to stay in front of the man being guarded is by far the bigger issue. Pike has had good rebounding teams in the past. The issue is not because a guy playing 10-15 minutes is concerned with getting blocks.

Just about to say the same thing. Guys are going for blocks and we don't rotate well. We were very good at this for 5 seasons so can't say it's in coaching however. I played with guys who can score at will but not everyone is willing to do the dirty work. That's the difference between winning and losing in many cases.

 

[zappaa]

Just about to say the same thing. Guys are going for blocks and we don't rotate well. We were very good at this for 5 seasons so can't say it's in coaching however. I played with guys who can score at will but not everyone is willing to do the dirty work. That's the difference between winning and losing in many cases.

I’ll say it again, I don’t think our problem on defense or rebounding has anything to do with lack of effort or focus.

Literally, if anything it’s trying to hard and playing slow because of it

 

[DHajekRC84]

"our defense sucks"