You say this like it means anything though. We don't play in the Big East. What happens in the Big East is completely irrelevant.
Freshman on the road......
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I don't think anyone would dispute that, except the failure of the transfers is more on the coaching staff than the transfers themselves. The transfers were limited when we brought them on, it's not their fault. Almost all of the fans over rated JWill no matter how much I argued otherwise.
well this particular year there is no comparsion
the butlers. providences georgetowns are equal to minny, wash nw which are the bottom 3 herein the Big 10.
Nova is equal to the usc, rutgers, indiana right now
there is no one as bad as depaul and shu in the league and there hasnt been anyone as bad as depaul/gtown in prior years.
At the top the BE is comparable in recent years to the Big 10
the Big 10 has more schools and the middle of the Big 10 is waaaaaaaaaaay better than the middle of the Big East.
I have a hot take that you'll hate, Ace may be our best defensive player.
explain.....I will be honest...I can't give you a better answer.
When he is engaged he can make defensive plays and get 10 1/2 foot high rebounds.
I have a tougher time watching games on TV, but I think he made a big defensive play down the stretch last night from a help position.
agree on this,
as i said in another post, Sommerville is a freshman, one has to wonder if he was ever required to play defense other than being bigger than his opponent
He has a nice touch/% from the FT line and by jr and sr year could also be a decent 3 point threat
Also, remember that when UCONN won the 1st of their 2 championships, they were the first team to win without having to play a 1, 2, 3 or 4th seeded team.
I understand WHAT you are saying I am just giving you some of my personal POV that your tone or comments have taken on a different style of late. The HOW. Your knowledge, insights, and feedback have always stood on their merits without having to say you know better, etc. because you are smarter or they (we) are dumb, clueless, etc. I have always read your stuff but now when I see comments like that I just stop. That is all. I'm not perfect by any stretch. Carry on sir. Good luck to us.
Ok......so?
Under this premise, no SEC or Big Ten coach should ever be fired or on the hot seat.
Never can be criticized.
South Carolina: We may be 0-13 in the SEC but we're much better than American East last place NJIT!
That should be the title of their season recap DVD.
Don't get me wrong, he's still not above average and has lapses, but I think he's picked up on many of the help concepts which is where he picks up many of his blocks, similar to how Cliff used to, an his rebounding has become vital to our success. I think he's struggling offensively this month (maybe illness, maybe the wall, maybe asthma), but we are still getting effort on D from him, which is good to see.
I don't have access to many of the analytics, but do see he's showing as the lowest defensive rating on team, (besides limited minutes Dortch), so that metric at least sees what I see.
I think he matched up against the kid Johnson from Illinois a couple times in high school. Don't recall how they did against each other, but thought they both had games where they put up numbers against each other. Other than those couple, no idea what level of talent he played against.
I read the boards as you do and there's more negative energy bordering on insanity in regards to RU sports talk, recruiting and i don't see any point in how that means some of our fans get free shots fired at our players, especially Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey. They have done nothing but try and show up on a roster without as much help as anticipated.
And the hoops comments around those fans justifies my response about fans (some, not all) not having enough cache to talk hoops. The board does need more awareness and less nonsense.
It was actually opposite. SJU played their starters all second half to comeback trying to win while Pike rotated everyone in
I actually agree with a lot of what Hawk is saying. Freshmen will have ups and downs but overall they are mostly delivering compared to the upperclassmen mostly giving us nothing. Upperclassmen should be more consistent and reliable but they aren't
B1G is definitely a strong top to bottom conference. Washington would do better in the non top 3 conferences for sure
We did play with and could have easily beaten SJU Alabama TAMU this season so we have shown the ability to play with the best teams in country at times. We also have shown we can play like an absolutely terrible disaster of a program too unfortunately
B1G is definitely a strong top to bottom conference. Washington would do better in the non top 3 conferences for sure
We did play with and could have easily beaten SJU Alabama TAMU this season so we have shown the ability to play with the best teams in country at times. We also have shown we can play like an absolutely terrible disaster of a program too unfortunately
Most important point here
Freshman Somerville is a better offensive center than a 5th year Cliff
And some fans want to ignore that and actually want him to leave
Unbelievable
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Everyone shoots lights out against us. So I cannot consider that. Look at Oregon. Our D is simply that bad it is to be assumed. In our case, that’s not true. Our outside shooting has been agnostic to the quality of the D. We have bricked against low majors too.
Sure - but I’m not buying your argument here. We allowed a 50% three point shooter and a 41% three point shooter to attempt 12 threes. We deserved what we got in them making 7 of them. That was 7 of their 8 threes.
Do you not see the difference? We had 2 guys who the scouting report says can’t shoot a lick, attempt 3 threes and make all of them.
Which situation stands out as the outlier?
A lot of college players will hit a good percentage of threes, if left completely alone
Even ones either poor percentages up to that point
The freshmen attempt to play defense with maybe the exception being Sommerville at times. The freshmen have the potential to be solid defenders, but they need time and experience. The transfers can't play defense if you paid them... pun intended.
The supporting cast can't do it every night based on the record as proof.
I don't think people overestimated Ace or Dylan as college players. They have played well enough to win. It's the underestimation of the transfers that have done more to torpedo the season. Acuff (foot) was suppose to be a third option as a scorer. JWil has taken a step back. He doesn't bring it every night. PJ is a waste. He was suppose to be the 3pt specialist. Martini is maddening. He is a system player who doesn't fit Rutgers' iso ball approach. This is the reason why Grant and Dortch (Ogbole's injury) have step in and played well compared to the transfers. They may not be scorers, but they hustle and attempt to play defense, which is the groundwork for Pike's system.
As I noted I stopped reading but if that was the point of his post I agree. Aside from a here and there overall their play has been some (not quite all) the only enjoyment I've gotten this year. The surrounding cast (save a few) have been terribly inconsistent and unproductive.
I wish it wasn’t. The D is just that bad.
Anyone who can’t see that Cliff is the big difference - I.e. the contrast between this year and last year, I don’t know what to tell you.
It sure as heck wasn’t GG, Noah, Hyatt making the difference. Derek was fine on D but he wasn’t a difference maker either on the perimeter. It’s Cliff. And when he was there, Mag, but to a lesser extent since he only played in 17 games.
Losing Big O hurt because as a pair they were coming together and adding value. Weight room big fella. He can be really good in the future.
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Agreed,
The game was slowing down for Ogbole on the D end .
Have to remember he was only a soccer player until a few years ago and was never required to have good hand/eye coordination which hurt him on the O end, that said he was getting stronger on put backs from O rebounds
I think if RU had an experienced scorer who averaged 15pts/game to go along with the freshmen, a number of games would have turned RU’s way. Just relying on true freshmen to get the bulk of the buckets for a whole season is not conducive to winning at a high level. Acuff, Derrick, Hayes and Martino did not prove to be those players. Jwill on occasion can get you 15pt but what is needed is someone who can score at a high level when Dylan and Ace were off or doubled team. An experienced Somerville or Grant can be one of those guys but they are fresh themselves.
Love that team is not packing it in.
GO RU
Love that team is not packing it in.
GO RU
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not because he's a great D guy....but because almost all the rest of the players are weak. he's #2. JWill is the best.
I’m going to stop you right there. Do you see why?
(To be clear I think your broader point is correct)
I’m guessing it’s off because the output from last night skewed it. Is that why? I was lazy and didn’t adjust because for the point I was driving at - it didn’t matter. We let 2 good shooters specifically, who were hot, continue to shoot. That explains Washington’s better than normal shooting. For 2 guys like that to get 12 threes off is on our D.
In contrast, J Will and Jordan sit at 26.4% AFTER incorporating the 3 threes. I wouldn’t say Washington’s D did anything wrong in giving them those shots, would you?
No it’s because nobody shoots 50% from three. I would bet you lots and lots and lots of money that guy makes fewer than say 100 of his next 200.
Ok - but it’s not like hes doing it on extremely limited sample size. He’s made 42 out of 84 attempts this season and entered the game at 49.3% (I now did the math). So the bottom line is, it’s not all that surprising statistically that he made 3 of 5 attempts.
It comes down to roster construction and poor recruiting outside of the current freshman class. RU did not have an answer for Osobor inside and needed to give him extra attention. This helped lead to open shots for Harris and Mason.
I think Pike would’ve liked to guard them tighter on the perimeter. But, he has to pick his poison. Things worked out because Dylan and Ace played very well. Osobor and Mason fouling out helped, too.
I think Pike would’ve liked to guard them tighter on the perimeter. But, he has to pick his poison. Things worked out because Dylan and Ace played very well. Osobor and Mason fouling out helped, too.
Teams that were in terrible slumps shooting 3’s before and after we played them , Indiana , Michigan State and Oregon had their best or close to their best 3 point shooting game against us and the only reason they won.
losing Manny has not helped as at least that would have been size and strength Osobar has and maybe slow him down a little and offer more resistance.
No team in the history of team sports has played every individual game according to their season’s average. You win or lose most often by either exceeding or falling short of your average (or your opponent’s average), respectively.
Of course. The point was - we still needed overtime to win, despite two of our worst shooters going a perfect 3 for 3 from long range. It was in response to the posts saying we won because Dylan played well. Sure - we needed that too. But we don’t win without two of our worst shooters having atypically good days from long range. These are guys that the scouting report says not to worry much about guarding on the perimeter. And again, we still needed OT because our D is just really bad.
Agreed he’s SOOO much stronger than Somerville when Osobar backed into Somerville he bounced back like 2 feet every time
