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OT: Another nice game by Simpson

I think Simpson would certainly had stayed if he started and was getting the minutes JMike is now getting.

The idea that there is a huge drop to the A10 is silly and many of you paying way too much weight on that. Yes it’s a lesser league but year in and year out it’s still a pretty good hoops league. His versatility and foul shooting is missed.

If you don’t think Simpson was sent out of town, encouraged…. We are just arguing semantics.

Agree on Acuff. Hope he gets healthy again when school restarts. He may be the key to the season. The two threes the other night has to be good for confidence.
FIRST:

You ignore that it was clearly never in the grand plan for Davis to start, nor to get even 20+ minutes. Think through the math in March of 2024:

1) Known players: Harper (30-32 mpg), Bailey (30-32 mpg), Williams (24-28 mpg, the Center position combo of Ogbole/Sommerville (30-35 mpg) Those known players would be expected to combine for 114 to 127 mpg out of 200 mpg. And Davis was certainly staying also - unknow minutes at the time.

2) In particular, there was expected to be just 20-26 mpg at the PG/2G position, and 8-10 mpg at the WF position (maybe some more if Bailey played some minutes at the "4").

3) It was KNOWN by Pikiell that he intended to bring in a Stretch 4 (ended up being Martini - who I think was a very, very early target), PLUS a Guard with deep shooting abilities, PLUS a "3 and D" Wing ... that was the minimum. We also are pretty sure Pikiell tried to keep Griffiths (for his shooting potential) - that may or may not have been known to Simpson.

4) So the MATH says that there would be MAXIMUM of 26 minutes at the Guard slots, and maybe 10-15 more minutes at the "3" position (which could be part of a 3-guard line-up). So MAXIMUM, 40 minutes of playing time available for reserves at the Wing/Guard slots, for Davis, a pure "3' shooter transfer, a "3 and D" transfer ... and Simpson and/or Griffiths. There was NO WAY Pikiell could truthfully communicate to Simpson his expected playing time could be more than 15-18 mpg.

FYI, we still are not sure what Davis' minutes are going to be. In the 4 games he has started (the last 4 games), his minutes have been:19, 19, 25, 29, in that order. And his 29 minute game vs Columbia was a game where he was HITTING HIS SHOTS). His other 20+ minute games were each in the 1st 3 games of the season, two of which RU was down 2 players - well, Acuff was nominally available, but was not fully ready to play.

Davis mainly will get 20+ minutes going forward if: 1) His defense remains stellar like it has been the last 4 games; 2) he begins ot hit some shots more consistently, AND 3) Derkack/Acuff/Hayes and Martini do not improve their play to take minutes away from Davis = less so Derkack, I guess.

SECOND

There IS a drop off from a P5 program and team to the A10 - period. Its not even debatable, really. That is not to say high mid-majors (like better teams in the 10, the Mountain West, the AAC, for example) do not have real talent, nor that they are not very good teams, often better than lower level P5 teams - they do and are. But the depth on the rosters, and the depth of the leagues are significantly different.

THIRD

You have no idea whether Simpson was sent out of town, encouraged to leave, driven out, etc. No idea. There was some cryptic post from a poster who I think is in the know (though I could be wrong about that) that part of the "team" problem last season included Simpson (though I would have thought Mag and Griffiths were issues, for sure - I have no idea about Simpson). What we DO know is that Pikiell vowed (publicly no less) that he would operate differently than the prior off-season, and WOULD force players to make quick decisions on transferring or not, so that Pikiell could replace transferring players from the portal before many of the portal players signed elsewhere ... i.e. avoid the problem of losing Spencer in MAY and Mulcahy in JUNE. So ... if you say that Simpson was "encouraged" to leave because he was told the PLAN was for him to be a reserve, and have to fight for 15-18 minutes per game, then that is probably true ... meaning that was what he was told by Pikiell, at a minimum. Is it possible Pikiell actually encouraged Simpson to leave? Maybe. But at a minimum Pikiell probably told him if he would not be satisfied with 15-18 mpg he should see if he could find a program where he could start ... because no way would a coach want a player on his team that he knows will be unhappy.
 
But he wouldn't have started, just as Davis didn't start. And Davis is only starting right now because of struggles of portal players - and an overall lack of team defense. If you'd told Simpson "you won't start until game 10, and you'll average 16.5 min over the first 13 games" - I really doubt he'd have stayed.

And yes, the A10 is a big dropoff from the B1G. There are just 3 teams in bart's top 70 (44 Dayton, 49 VCU, 59 St. Bonaventure) and 5 ranked below 150 (3 ranked below 200). 13 B1G schools are ahead of the A10's top program. For some comparison, Rutgers is 80th and 16th out of 18 teams in the B1G. St. Joseph's is 87th and 5th out of 15.

Simpson saw the writing on the wall. He wasn't pushed, he jumped. And he landed in a good situation for himself - which means he made the right call.
this ... and shorter than mine, LOL!
 
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Simpson 19 points 7-9 Shooting
4-5 from three
6 rebounds
4 Assists

Sigh. What might have been. What could have been. What should have been.
 
I’ve always liked Derek’s game, even given last year’s miserable shooting. In fact it was so bad—missing 3 and 4 open foul line jumpers in a row, shots a mediocre hs kid could make—tells me it had to be in his head. Sadly, he couldn’t work his way through. But he is head and shoulders against JMike. He understands how the game is played.
 
I thought it was a mutual parting and this board was mostly happy he was leaving

Take a look


Yeah because he had like the lowest field goal percentage ever recorded by a division 1 basketball player (yes, yes, I exaggerate). GRUnit wanted us to forget all about that because he hit an important shot at the end of our death struggle with, um, Stonehill and was a decent free throw shooter.
 
Yeah because he had like the lowest field goal percentage ever recorded by a division 1 basketball player (yes, yes, I exaggerate). GRUnit wanted us to forget all about that because he hit an important shot at the end of our death struggle with, um, Stonehill and was a decent free throw shooter.
He would be an upgrade on this roster . Hell , Palmquist might be the MVP if he was still here
 
Yeah because he had like the lowest field goal percentage ever recorded by a division 1 basketball player (yes, yes, I exaggerate). GRUnit wanted us to forget all about that because he hit an important shot at the end of our death struggle with, um, Stonehill and was a decent free throw shooter.
There's an awful lot of forgetting on these boards as 3 years ago Pike could walk on water with most fans.
 
a LOT has changed since then including the ENTIRE LANDSCAPE OF COLLEGE BASKETBALL
I agree. I'm hoping the new AD will have that mindset while evaluating the coaches. We need to have a big change in how we run our programs if we're gonna have a chance to compete with the others with actual competent and forward thinking athletic departments.
 
Yeah because he had like the lowest field goal percentage ever recorded by a division 1 basketball player (yes, yes, I exaggerate). GRUnit wanted us to forget all about that because he hit an important shot at the end of our death struggle with, um, Stonehill and was a decent free throw shooter.
And best defender on the team
And quickest player on the team
And best ball handler on the team
And not just a good foul shooter one of the best in the B1G.
But why quibble right Fluoxetine? Funny when realize far better than Derkack, JMike, Hayes. Funny realize far more productive than JWill and Acuff. Would have been better off with Simpson. Truth hurts! 🦗🦗🦗
 
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And best defender on the team
And quickest player on the team
And best ball handler on the team
And not just a good foul shooter one of the best in the B1G.
But why quibble right Fluoxetine?

Simpson did a lot of things well but his shooting was just sooooooooooooooooo soooo bad that it wiped out anything good he did.

Our problem is not that we don’t have Simpson it’s that we didn’t manage to replace him with anything better.
 
Shooting less this year and has improved.

JMike’s shooting? Assists? Rebounds?

JMike can pass to Dylan and Ace?
Who could Derek pass to?

I’ll await your response.
 
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Shooting less this year and has improved.

He has improved but he’s still not good enough to be a starter on a good Big Ten team.

JMike’s shooting? Assists? Rebounds?

JMike can pass to Dylan and Ace?
Who could Derek pass?

I’ll await your response.

JMike’s not good enough either. I’ve already agreed that Simpson would be an upgrade on most of the current roster but he still isn’t good enough.
 
Simpson did a lot of things well but his shooting was just sooooooooooooooooo soooo bad that it wiped out anything good he did.

Our problem is not that we don’t have Simpson it’s that we didn’t manage to replace him with anything better.
Like JMike. Isn’t that the point?

The only thing Simpson wasn’t B1G worthy was shooting. Everything else, quickness, defense, ball handling, foul shooting, steals, was absolutely B1G worthy. He’d be shooting less this year and he has improved.
I love Pike, but he made a mistake and a large majority of this fan base was dead wrong too.
 
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Was a great foul shooter. But he didn't get to the line 9 times a game. But we got hayes and jordan and Acuff who was injured. Transfer portal was joke. USC got Claude who had 31 points today, we got crap. And I hate to write that but it is true.
 
Simpson did a lot of things well but his shooting was just sooooooooooooooooo soooo bad that it wiped out anything good he did.

Our problem is not that we don’t have Simpson it’s that we didn’t manage to replace him with anything better.

^ this ^
 
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Like JMike. Isn’t that the point?

The only thing Simpson wasn’t B1G worthy was shooting. Everything else, quickness, defense, ball handling, foul shooting, steals, was absolutely B1G worthy. He’d be shooting less this year and he has improved.
I love Pike, but he made a mistake and a large majority of this fan base was dead wrong too.

Simpson transferred out.

Did I miss something?

Pike gave him the ball as a true frosh and with the season on the line, he took the final shot in the last game that Caleb McConnell, Cam Spencer and Paul Mulcahy would ever play for Rutgers.

Think about that.

I don’t think Pike “made a mistake” if the kid wanted some kind of guarantee of minutes since he followed up that performance by shooting 30% from the floor as a sophomore.

He had two incredible weeks in a Rutgers uniform.

And at the end of last year, it seemed clear J Williams was better.

Let’s not turn Simpson’s time at RU into remembering Jeremy Lin only for the Week of Linsanity.

I am happy for Derek and am rooting for him to do well. Just like I did when Peter Kiss left.

But I’d think that if we’ve learned nothing else these last two years, it’s that success at lower levels doesn’t always translate as much as we’d all like to think and Pike doesn’t get to decide when players transfer.
 
This is a ridiculous comparison. Loyola Chicago? Give me a ****ing break, this is bum-level competition. He’d be eaten alive in the Big 10 grind.

All that aside, glad he’s putting up some nice work.
 
Simpson transferred out.

Did I miss something?

Pike gave him the ball as a true frosh and with the season on the line, he took the final shot in the last game that Caleb McConnell, Cam Spencer and Paul Mulcahy would ever play for Rutgers.

Think about that.

I don’t think Pike “made a mistake” if the kid wanted some kind of guarantee of minutes since he followed up that performance by shooting 30% from the floor as a sophomore.

He had two incredible weeks in a Rutgers uniform.

And at the end of last year, it seemed clear J Williams was better.

Let’s not turn Simpson’s time at RU into remembering Jeremy Lin only for the Week of Linsanity.

I am happy for Derek and am rooting for him to do well. Just like I did when Peter Kiss left.

But I’d think that if we’ve learned nothing else these last two years, it’s that success at lower levels doesn’t always translate as much as we’d all like to think and Pike doesn’t get to decide when players transfer.
Simpson transferred out ? Really?
Two incredible weeks?
How about two years?
Last year??
He and Cliff main reason we sniffed .500 but many fans chose to ignore it like Beast.

Think he was encouraged to go?

Think this fan base didn’t turn on him when others still getting free passes?

Love have posters falling back on shooting while ignoring ball handling, defense, foul shooting, hustle, free throw shooting, steals, wins against Maryland, Indiana, PSU. Last second shot to win game was a bad thing? Did that happen against Kennesaw? Rhetorical? Maybe not

Stop with the lower level stuff too. Granted A10 isn’t the B1G but still an upper echelon conference.
 
This is a ridiculous comparison. Loyola Chicago? Give me a ****ing break, this is bum-level competition. He’d be eaten alive in the Big 10 grind.

All that aside, glad he’s putting up some nice work.
Except it never happened.


Did JMike and Derkack light up Merrimack, Monmouth, St. Peter’s? Asking for a friend?
 
Except it never happened.


Did JMike and Derkack light up Merrimack, Monmouth, St. Peter’s? Asking for a friend?
He's a better player than those two, but he’s still not a Big 10 caliber player. He’d struggle mightily against the conference slate.
 
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Antoine Woolfolk is averaging 8 PPG on .630 shooting, with 5.7 Rebound in 22 MPG.
Simpson is averaging 10 PPG on .374 2pt shooting, with 4 assists and 4 rebounds per game in 32 MPG

The MAC and A10 don’t compare to the B1G
 
Simpson did a lot of things well but his shooting was just sooooooooooooooooo soooo bad that it wiped out anything good he did.

Our problem is not that we don’t have Simpson it’s that we didn’t manage to replace him with anything better.
What did he shoot compared to what JMIKE shoots? Does that wipe out JMIKE’s contributions?

Be consistent ppl!

Lobbying for a JMIKE is commical. Simpson is better than JMIKE in every facet of basketball including defense.

Simpson was soooooooooooooooooooo sooo bad shooting (JMike worse) that he could not help but JMIKE should start?

Have you even looked at your own efficieny stats you posted? Where is JMIKE in those stats?
 
What did he shoot compared to what JMIKE shoots? Does that wipe out JMIKE’s contributions?

Be consistent ppl!

Lobbying for a JMIKE is commical. Simpson is better than JMIKE in every facet of basketball including defense.

Simpson was soooooooooooooooooooo sooo bad shooting (JMike worse) that he could not help but JMIKE should start?

Have you even looked at your own efficieny stats you posted? Where is JMIKE in those stats?

I am once again left wondering if you actually read my posts before you respond to them. I hope the answer is “no” because annoying as that is, if you are actually reading them then you are astoundingly dumb.

I’ve stated multiple times in this very thread (because people keep asking for some reason) that Simpson is a better player than Davis. I’m sorry to break it to you and GRUnit but “better than Davis” is actually not the bar we need to clear in order to win Big Ten games.
 
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I am once again left wondering if you actually read my posts before you respond to them. I hope the answer is “no” because annoying as that is, if you are actually reading them then you are astoundingly dumb.

I’ve stated multiple times in this very thread (because people keep asking for some reason) that Simpson is a better player than Davis. I’m sorry to break it to you and GRUnit but “better than Davis” is actually not the bar we need to clear in order to win Big Ten games.
Floux my bad that comes across directly at you. I said ppl trying to speak more broadly!

My apologies sir
 
Floux my bad that comes across directly at you. I said ppl trying to speak more broadly!

My apologies sir

Fine, fair enough.

That said, I think almost everyone on the board will tell you Simpson > Davis at this point.

The Davis > Simpson thing is something I never see posted here, I just see GRUnit constantly arguing against his imagination that someone is posting it.

People probably posted it LAST YEAR who have changed their minds a long time ago and even then those people were probably just talking about potential not current ability.

Simpson certainly hurt us more than Davis last year but that’s because Simpson was doing a lot of stuff and Davis had a limited role.
 
Fine, fair enough.

That said, I think almost everyone on the board will tell you Simpson > Davis at this point.

The Davis > Simpson thing is something I never see posted here, I just see GRUnit constantly arguing against his imagination that someone is posting it.

People probably posted it LAST YEAR who have changed their minds a long time ago and even then those people were probably just talking about potential not current ability.

Simpson certainly hurt us more than Davis last year but that’s because Simpson was doing a lot of stuff and Davis had a limited role.
Simpson helped us more last year than Davis has this year or is that imaginations running wild?

Simpson actually won us games, Indiana, PSU, Maryland. Is that my imagination running wild?

Has Davis never won a game for us or am I imagining that?

Kinda difficult understanding your point or does it just shift with the hand.

Loathe me or love me, I’ve taken a stand.

Simpson was unjustifiably ripped last year
And as it turns out better than any guards other than Dylan that we have this year. Pike should have made it work. Wonder if kicking self with regrets?
 
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Simpson helped us more last year than Davis has this year or is that imaginations running wild?

Simpson actually won us games, Indiana, PSU, Maryland. Is that my imagination running wild?

Has Davis never won a game for us or am I imagining that?

Kinda difficult understanding your point or does it just shift with the hand.

Loathe me or love me, I’ve taken a stand.

Simpson was unjustifiably ripped last year
And as it turns out better than any guards other than Dylan that we have this year. Pike should have made it work. Wonder if kicking self with regrets?
I was one telling everyone Simpson wasn't as bad as they think, and wish he was here, but you are just yelling at windmills now. EVERYONE else has come to your side and wishes they could be swapped. It also doesn't matter because its not going to happen.
 
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Simpson helped us more last year than Davis has this year or is that imaginations running wild?

Simpson actually won us games, Indiana, PSU, Maryland. Is that my imagination running wild?

Has Davis never won a game for us or am I imagining that?

Kinda difficult understanding your point or does it just shift with the hand.

Loathe me or love me, I’ve taken a stand.

Simpson was unjustifiably ripped last year
And as it turns out better than any guards other than Dylan that we have this year. Pike should have made it work. Wonder if kicking self with regrets?
Hmm maybe it's that you don't understand the role of certain players. Understand that Simpson was the featured player last year. He was getting preseason recognition and was expected to take a big jump. Essentially the role Dylan has now. No need to rehash the results. jMike was and still is a role player. What people are saying is that maybe pike told Simpson that his role would now become Dylan's role and they would be going after more guards in the portal like Matt alocco to fill out the backcourt. It's very likely that Simpson did not like that situation. In hindsight Matt alocco or that other guard did not accept the ru offers and this team could have used Simpson. But again he may not have wanted to be on a team that features Dylan and Ace offensively. I see Simpson is avg. 10 pts a game on 37% shooting, not sure if he's be the third scorer/shooter needed to relieve double teams. Acuff is starting to look a little better as the season goes along, Simpson is a good player but stop it..
 
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