Pike Failed the Fans, Minimal Effort Towards NIL Raising Would’ve Made For a Special Season

[fluoxetine]

Bball far easier than football.

This is bullshit.

Probably because Schiano didn’t finish under 500 with two top 5 picks on his team. Football also somehow managed to get to 7-6 last year while having PSU, Umich, and OSU on the schedule.. Those are basically automatic losses when you’re in rebuild mode in football. Basketball did not have those types of challenges while rebuilding. While this year was a little disappointing in football, the program has gotten back to solid ground. Meanwhile, Pike is in year 9… let me say that again, year 9, and we have no clue what our offensive philosophy is.

How was our offense in football two years ago lmao give me a break.

They have very similar results. They’ve both done a good job of taking over a complete dumpster fire and making it respectable. They both haven’t done anything more than respectable. Greg had one top 25 team and next year is it’s 20 year anniversary lol

 

[richthedentist]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

Alloco wanted to go close to home
I think Cliff just wanted out
We have no idea how much money they had or used

 

[KK1827]

This is bullshit.



How was our offense in football two years ago lmao give me a break.

They have very similar results. They’ve both done a good job of taking over a complete dumpster fire and making it respectable. They both haven’t done anything more than respectable. Greg had one top 25 team and next year is it’s 20 year anniversary lol

Basketball is far easier. Less money needed, less players needed, and our bball program pays more than football as far as nationally ranked pay is concerned, has a better facility, has a better homecourt advantage (easier to fill 8K than 54K) etc.

Bball realistically should just take 2-3 kids if you're a good coach. Football requires alot more.

Football is physics, you can't teach mass and strength

 

[seansherm]

Lol, what!?

Our basketball recruiting is a joke compared to football

Is that really true? This years freshman class was the #4 class in the country and next years was a top 30 class I believe. Have we hit top 30 yet in football, where there are less teams? I know next years class in football is off to a good start, not sure if top 30 now?

 

[fluoxetine]

Basketball is far easier. Less money needed, less players needed, and our bball program pays more than football as far as nationally ranked pay is concerned, has a better facility, has a better homecourt advantage (easier to fill 8K than 54K) etc.

Bball realistically should just take 2-3 kids if you're a good coach. Football requires alot more.

Football is physics, you can't teach mass and strength

This is all nonsense because we compete, in football, with other teams that are playing football and in basketball with other teams that are playing basketball.

If anything this is an argument for basketball being harder because if there are fewer resources needed then there is more viable competition.

 

[richthedentist]

I still think this roster could have been coached up. I would think most of the B1G coaches would have this roster at 16-9 and in position for NCAA tourney bid. Yes we could have done better with selecting transfers but this mess falls on Pike and not putting his players in best position to succeed. He is changing rotations and hoping it works. Have we seen PJ Hayes run off a screen to get open for a 3? Have there been any motion offense with players making back door cuts? I see Ace and Dylan free lancing and everyone else standing around. And defense has sucked as we cannot cover a pick and roll for our life. Cannot have big blitzing pick and roll which leaves opponent big man wide open on roll. This is one of the many ways Pike has failed.

Agree and after 26 games he should know who to play and how much and when to substitute and he still doesn’t forget the roster construction this year is entirely on Pike but one thing is Harper has not been the same player since Vegas was it the flu the ankle who knows and that has really hurt

 

[KK1827]

This is all nonsense because we compete, in football, with other teams that are playing football and in basketball with other teams that are playing basketball.

If anything this is an argument for basketball being harder because if there are fewer resources needed then there is more viable competition.

How many times do you see an FCS beat a P5 in football?

How many times do you see a team NET 132+ (equivalent of FCS) beat a p5 in bball? Far easier to win games and have upsets in bball than football.

 

[seansherm]

How many times do you see an FCS beat a P5 in football?

How many times do you see a team NET 132+ (equivalent of FCS) beat a p5 in bball? Far easier to win games and have upsets in bball than football.

I think you are making his argument for him. It's easier to win upset games because the talent is much more spread out in basketball.

 

[Mholinko]

Bball far easier than football.

You sound foolish saying this

13 big ten teams made a bowl game of 18

More than half of the FBS programs play in a bowl game

You remove the automatic bids in basketball and roughly 35-40 teams get invited to march madness which is the only measure of success

If we make the pinstripe wipe my ass bowl next year we will applaud GS

 

[bac2therac]

Greg has generally been a one hit wonder...1 sweet 16 year and perhaps 2-3 more ncaa if that tourney appearances over 20 years.......okay not 20 but you get the picture
..none would be ncaa tourney appearances since he came back tick tock
no hoops program would allow medicority like that

 

[biazza38]

This is bullshit.



How was our offense in football two years ago lmao give me a break.

They have very similar results. They’ve both done a good job of taking over a complete dumpster fire and making it respectable. They both haven’t done anything more than respectable. Greg had one top 25 team and next year is it’s 20 year anniversary lol

Exactly, our offense was bad in 2023, but it still established an identity of being run first. Then we fixed the problem by bringing in a QB and more talented WRs and actually established a passing game the following year.
Pike on the other hand still can’t figure out the offense even with NBA talent. That’s crazy. While I do agree, that both have had moderate success, basketball may have plateaued and is now trending downward. It’s not that hard to see.

 

[KK1827]

I think you are making his argument for him. It's easier to win upset games because the talent is much more spread out in basketball.

Nope, the point is simply that it's far easier to win in bball than football. You don't see many outside of the upper echelon win in football base, it's alot harder to do so.

 

[fluoxetine]

How many times do you see an FCS beat a P5 in football?

How many times do you see a team NET 132+ (equivalent of FCS) beat a p5 in bball? Far easier to win games and have upsets in bball than football.

Yes there are more upsets in basketball than football.

You’re going to have to do a lot of work to show that implies rebuilding a program is easier.

By this logic rebuilding a baseball team probably takes no work at all

 

[fluoxetine]

Nope, the point is simply that it's far easier to win in bball than football.

I know you are a hopeless case lol but consider this:

Each basketball game has the same number of winners as each football game does.

 

[KK1827]

You sound foolish saying this

13 big ten teams made a bowl game of 18

More than half of the FBS programs play in a bowl game

You remove the automatic bids in basketball and roughly 35-40 teams get invited to march madness which is the only measure of success

If we make the pinstripe wipe my ass bowl next year we will applaud GS

Sure, should we add in fcs, d2 and d3 to the football count? Because NCAAB is loaded up with FCS, d2 and d3 schools.

Again, I'm just here to provide facts. The same EXACT number of big ten football teams finished 7-5 over the past 5 years as B1G bball programs danced over the past 5 years. If going 7-5 isn't anything special (I agree, it's not special) then getting into the dance really aint anything special.

 

[fluoxetine]

Exactly, our offense was bad in 2023, but it still established an identity of being run first. Then we fixed the problem by bringing in a QB and more talented WRs and actually established a passing game the following year.
Pike on the other hand still can’t figure out the offense even with NBA talent. That’s crazy. While I do agree, that both have had moderate success, basketball may have plateaued and is now trending downward. It’s not that hard to see.

We also don’t have top 10 defenses in football; the fact that their mediocrity has different flavors is not really relevant to the discussion

 

[KK1827]

Yes there are more upsets in basketball than football.

You’re going to have to do a lot of work to show that implies rebuilding a program is easier.

By this logic rebuilding a baseball team probably takes no work at all

Rebuilding bball is far easier haha. See Missouri basketball LOL. They went 0-18 in conference play last year and are now ranked 15th in the nation and a projected 4 seed LOL. That really wasn't a lot of work

 

[fluoxetine]

Sure, should we add in fcs, d2 and d3 to the football count? Because NCAAB is loaded up with FCS, d2 and d3 schools.

Again, I'm just here to provide facts. The same EXACT number of big ten football teams finished 7-5 over the past 5 years as B1G bball programs danced over the past 5 years. If going 7-5 isn't anything special (I agree, it's not special) then getting into the dance really aint anything special.

Neither one is special. It’s like the bare minimum to be considered decent to good. Both of them. That’s the whole point.

 

[fluoxetine]

Rebuilding bball is far easier haha. See Missouri basketball LOL. They went 0-18 in conference play last year and are now ranked 15th in the nation and a projected 4 seed LOL. That really wasn't a lot of work

Missouri went 11-7, then 0-18, and now 8-4.

Sounds like sustained success in basketball is harder. Just look at Missouri they went 11-7 and then 0-18.

 

[biazza38]

We also don’t have top 10 defenses in football; the fact that their mediocrity has different flavors is not really relevant to the discussion

Ah yes bring up the side of the ball that suffered devastating injuries and had a down year. However, the problem there is the defense actually already established an identity in 2023. Pike has plateaued and is now trending down. I don’t want him fired because it won’t really do us much good, but that’s why people are down on him.
You can accept it or not. I don’t care. But you’re spinning your wheels at this point.
This year was an epic failure.

 

[fluoxetine]

In 2011 Ohio St went 6-7 and the next year they went 12-0

Indiana was 3-9 last year and this year they went 11-1 and made the playoffs

 

[fluoxetine]

Ah yes bring up the side of the ball that suffered devastating injuries and had a down year. However, the problem there is the defense actually already established an identity in 2023. Pike has plateaued and is now trending down. I don’t want him fired because it won’t really do us much good, but that’s why people are down on him.
You can accept it or not. I don’t care. But you’re spinning your wheels at this point.
This year was an epic failure.

I don’t care if there is an “identity” I care if we win games and both coaches have managed to win a mediocre number of games

 

[biazza38]

I don’t care if there is an “identity” I care if we win games and both coaches have managed to win a mediocre number of games

Probably because Schiano didn’t finish under 500 with two top 5 picks on his team. Football also somehow managed to get to 7-6 in 2023 while having PSU, Umich, and OSU on the schedule.. Those are basically automatic losses when you’re in rebuild mode in football. Basketball did not have those types of challenges while rebuilding. While this year was a little disappointing in football, the program has gotten back to solid ground. Meanwhile, Pike is in year 9… let me say that again, year 9, and we have no clue what our offensive philosophy is.

Then why did you respond to my post criticizing Pike’s inability to establish an offensive philosophy. That was my whole point. Is that it’s year 9 and we have zero identity on offense.

 

[fluoxetine]

Then why did you respond to my post criticizing Pike’s inability to establish an offensive philosophy. That was my whole point. Is that it’s year 9 and we have zero identity on offense.

Because it was a reply to my post. If you think Greg is doing a better job because he "established an offensive philosophy" despite that not resulting in winning games then, sure, that's weird to me but you do you.

My point is they have similarly mediocre results.

 

[biazza38]

Because it was a reply to my post. If you think Greg is doing a better job because he "established an offensive philosophy" despite that not resulting in winning games then, sure, that's weird to me but you do you.

My point is they have similarly mediocre results.

And I pointed out that Pike is trending downward. Which he has.
Pike is in year 9 and has established zero offensive identity and failed to produce a winning record with two top 5 (maybe top 3 picks). When Schiano fails like that, then let me know.
You wanted to know why people are down on Pike, that’s why. Because we look like drunk chickens with our heads cut off for half the game. You can ignore that all you want. I don’t care. But at least football is watchable.
Basketball has not been watchable since Mag went down at MSG two freaking years ago. We’re 30-39 in our last 69 games. There’s your answer

 

[ru66]

Again, the court clubs folks are great. But it resembles a social security office more than it does a fortune 500 board room. The rooms you are in matter. If I was looking to raise money, it would not be by spending time at the court club.

Al you're so clueless in this stuff.

You're making alot of excuses why you're too cheap to give. About 38000 did give to RU sports last year, what was your rank? You act like only those who give millions matter, you're the one who's clueless. You're so wrong and worst, uninformed.

 

[SBP]

Thought that was Geo's gig?

 

[hinson32]

Your head is in the clouds.
Sorry KYK, no Fortune 500 Boardroom is investing in Rutgers Basketball because there is no ROI. Your ideas are not practical because there are no whales looking to save Rutgers Basketball. If there were, they would have been investing all these years.

The only people that might invest in Rutgers Basketball are those who care. It’s a non starter for everyone else.

Al, who is giving Greg the NIL money?

 

[NickRU714]

Because it was a reply to my post. If you think Greg is doing a better job because he "established an offensive philosophy" despite that not resulting in winning games then, sure, that's weird to me but you do you.

My point is they have similarly mediocre results.

It will be interesting to discuss after next year when OSU, PSU and Oregon are on the schedule.

My only thought is that Schiano appears to have plateaued (especially considering the schedule this year) at mid while HC Pike may be on downward trajectory from mid.

But HC Schiano is potentially right at the edge of that plateaue and likely looking over the cliff at a steep descent.

 

[RexMantlepiece]

You're making alot of excuses why you're too cheap to give. About 38000 did give to RU sports last year, what was your rank? You act like only those who give millions matter, you're the one who's clueless. You're so wrong and worst, uninformed.

Kyk does give and more than most of this board I am willing to bet and MUCH more than those in his direct peer group. He does walk the walk in that regard. Again he is passionate and controversial at times but he loves RU he isn’t just whining and pointing fingers for other people to fix the problem.

 

[darkcheck]

And I pointed out that Pike is trending downward. Which he has.
Pike is in year 9 and has established zero offensive identity and failed to produce a winning record with two top 5 (maybe top 3 picks). When Schiano fails like that, then let me know.
You wanted to know why people are down on Pike, that’s why. Because we look like drunk chickens with our heads cut off for half the game. You can ignore that all you want. I don’t care. But at least football is watchable.
Basketball has not been watchable since Mag went down at MSG two freaking years ago. We’re 30-39 in our last 69 games. There’s your answer

That Wisky game wasn’t watchable lol

 

[Mholinko]

It will be interesting to discuss after next year when OSU, PSU and Oregon are on the schedule.

My only thought is that Schiano appears to have plateaued (especially considering the schedule this year) at mid while HC Pike may be on downward trajectory from mid.

But HC Schiano is potentially right at the edge of that plateaue and likely looking over the cliff at a steep descent.

It’s already been established by the rabid GS defenders flooding in here will bow to him as long as win 7 games and make the Bounty Paper Towel bowl

Yet that same success from basketball which we’ve equated to a play in appearance or bubble first round exit is a failure and nothing special

Schiano had one great year, a couple decent years and a lot of mediocre to bad years he gets a pass for because “football is harder”

 

[rutgersal]

Never said a fortune 500 company would be investing in Rutgers basketball. But the folks who sit in those board rooms are the ones pike should be spending his time with.

Your ideas lack any reality or practicality. Youre the guy whos last place in the race but thinks hes in first because the guys that lapped you are slightly behind you right now.

Your ideas lack business IQ. This isn’t a sales pitch to a group of investors. People have to see value in what Pikiell is presenting and these people need to have a strong interest in the success of Rutgers Basketball. Otherwise the presentation won’t have any value, and they’re not going to attend. There just aren’t any whales waiting to meaningfully invest in Rutgers Basketball. So it falls on those wanting a successful program to do so.

 

[ancienthooper]

then you have answered your question

rutgers does not belong at the big boy table...it belongs in the acc or aac with other schools with small fanbases, limited resources and extremely limited sucess on the field or court. There is nothing this school has done on the court or field to deserve a spot

Bac, we don’t agree on much but you’re hitting nail on head. I don’t know if Rutgers deserves or will command a seat at the “big boy” table, but I think sometime soon decisions will be made on where everyone wants to sit…

DI: Scholarship “Plus”: For all who want to participate in the $$$$. 75 schools? 100?
DII: Scholarship: We value athletics but draw the line at throwing millions of dollars at student athletes.
DIII: Status quo.

Where does Rutgers fit? No clue. Seton Hall? A10 and mid majors? I’m not a Rutgers alum, just a proud New Jersey guy who supports the state university…whichever way they go.

 

[biazza38]

That Wisky game wasn’t watchable lol

Lol 1 game as opposed to two full seasons of unwatchable basketball

 

[bac2therac]

Bac, we don’t agree on much but you’re hitting nail on head. I don’t know if Rutgers deserves or will command a seat at the “big boy” table, but I think sometime soon decisions will be made on where everyone wants to sit…

DI: Scholarship “Plus”: For all who want to participate in the $$$$. 75 schools? 100?
DII: Scholarship: We value athletics but draw the line at throwing millions of dollars at student athletes.
DIII: Status quo.

Where does Rutgers fit? No clue. Seton Hall? A10 and mid majors? I’m not a Rutgers alum, just a proud New Jersey guy who supports the state university…whichever way they go.

so when RU entered into Big 10 for football there was supposed some kind of grand increase in interest and attendence but after the initial excitement wore off and everyone realized alot of the extra attendance was opposing teams fans you start to realize is there any difference between being in the Big 10 or ACC and would RU have a better shot to compete in both sports in the latter

RU would draw just as well for Miami/Clemson as they do for Penn State/Michigan, same for Virginia/Syracuse as they do for Illinois/Indiana. And RU wont be saddled with 4 automatic losses every season.

for hoops the ACC is in a big down cycle right now but there is certainly space to compete....see Wake, Pitt, SMU all bubble schools.


Its less money but our peers also get less money. Are we more in line with fanbases and $$$ of Ga Tech/BC/Pitt or in line with Indiana/Maryland/USC

the fairytale sold of some sleeping giant if just given the opportunity is false, GS is held up as some godsend yet results wise as an atrocious mark for schools with pulses and hasnt had a national relevent win in 19 years.

With streaming taking over rapidly and less reliance on tv sets, Rutgers only assest of being in the TV market gets diminished by the day and lets face it, thats the only reason we were invitied. Our level of winning across the board is abysmal and thats why schools of other fanbases scratch their head on why were invited

uconn with national championships in hoops cannot even get invited to the acc or big 12, their football is so laughed at but at least there is no pretending they can compete at the big boy level in football

central florida was given a major lifeline but guess what, they are in the fertile recruiting ground of Florida

SMU another given a lifeline but they are a rich school from Texas with deep pockets plus a football tradition and history that puts RU to shame.

 

[KK1827]

In 2011 Ohio St went 6-7 and the next year they went 12-0

Indiana was 3-9 last year and this year they went 11-1 and made the playoffs

You do realize you can ask college bball coaches and they themselves will tell you rebuilding a 10 man roster is a lot easier than rebuilding an 85 man roster right? Its not even debate worthy haha.

 

[bac2therac]

You do realize you can ask college bball coaches and they themselves will tell you rebuilding a 10 man roster is a lot easier than rebuilding an 85 man roster right? Its not even debate worthy haha.

has gs had a national relevant win in 19 years and dont give me the phony usf #2 ranking...besides that

has he had one since coming home

 

[bethlehemfan]

Lol 1 game as opposed to two full seasons of unwatchable basketball

That’s not really fair imo. USC, Nebraska and ucla were all pretty bad and while basketball has been bad the past two seasons there have definitely been watchable games. The Washington win was basically a fluke btw.

 

[rutgersal]

so when RU entered into Big 10 for football there was supposed some kind of grand increase in interest and attendence but after the initial excitement wore off and everyone realized alot of the extra attendance was opposing teams fans you start to realize is there any difference between being in the Big 10 or ACC and would RU have a better shot to compete in both sports in the latter

RU would draw just as well for Miami/Clemson as they do for Penn State/Michigan, same for Virginia/Syracuse as they do for Illinois/Indiana. And RU wont be saddled with 4 automatic losses every season.

for hoops the ACC is in a big down cycle right now but there is certainly space to compete....see Wake, Pitt, SMU all bubble schools.


Its less money but our peers also get less money. Are we more in line with fanbases and $$$ of Ga Tech/BC/Pitt or in line with Indiana/Maryland/USC

the fairytale sold of some sleeping giant if just given the opportunity is false, GS is held up as some godsend yet results wise as an atrocious mark for schools with pulses and hasnt had a national relevent win in 19 years.

With streaming taking over rapidly and less reliance on tv sets, Rutgers only assest of being in the TV market gets diminished by the day and lets face it, thats the only reason we were invitied. Our level of winning across the board is abysmal and thats why schools of other fanbases scratch their head on why were invited

uconn with national championships in hoops cannot even get invited to the acc or big 12, their football is so laughed at but at least there is no pretending they can compete at the big boy level in football

central florida was given a major lifeline but guess what, they are in the fertile recruiting ground of Florida

SMU another given a lifeline but they are a rich school from Texas with deep pockets plus a football tradition and history that puts RU to shame.

All this is moot, because we’re in the Big Ten now, and we’re not leaving. Now the only question is are we going to be a bottom feeder, or are we going to compete.