wait so you are saying that a college ref does not know the rules there. Inbounding violations are called all the time
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wait so you are saying that a college ref does not know the rules there. Inbounding violations are called all the time
2 things...
1) you should not be surprised by a college ref not knowing the rules. You saw the OSU game right?
2) did you read the rule above? The player is allowed to move both feet. Are you saying that Caleb moved more than 3 feet? And if he did, he needed Painter and the entire Purdue bench to let him know?
You must be married to a ref or something cause you will break your back to defend them regardless of the infraction
In this situation - less than a second to play - I think the perfect play would be to roll the ball down the court. Even if the defender gets the ball, he won't have time to pick it up and shoot.
Not exactly: he has a 3 foot wide "window" to move around in (keeping at least one foot in that window), but can move both feet; see my post above with the actual rule...
The more I look at it the more I think it was a bull**it call. It starts at 23:57 and you really have to watch it like the Zapruder film second by second. Sorry I don't know how to isolate it.
1. The announcers don't know the rule.
2. Is the distance between Caleb's feet at the start three feet? I think so. He starts with his right foot on the ball logo and his left foot on the A. When he finishes his left foot is on the logo. Is that more than three feet??? Remember he only needs to have a part of a foot inside that three foot window. If it is it has to be by an inch or two. It's not a blatant call so at that point of the game you don't call it.
3. Finally, the official never looks down. How does he know where the play started? You don't make a game changing call on a guess.
1. The announcers don't know the rule.
2. Is the distance between Caleb's feet at the start three feet? I think so. He starts with his right foot on the ball logo and his left foot on the A. When he finishes his left foot is on the logo. Is that more than three feet??? Remember he only needs to have a part of a foot inside that three foot window. If it is it has to be by an inch or two. It's not a blatant call so at that point of the game you don't call it.
3. Finally, the official never looks down. How does he know where the play started? You don't make a game changing call on a guess.
He was ok until he moved his left foot over after his second step to the right. I just tried doing two steps in the middle of three 12" square bathroom tiles and I was out of the "box". Caleb has 5 or 6 inches on me, so he is covering more ground.
That's too close to make that call. That's why it should be a no call.
Besides, again to point out that the official wasn't looking down at all
He does not need to look down. Caleb took two full steps. You basically get one step. What coach tells a player that he can take two steps? Even D1 players have to stick to fundamentals.
The problem with this would be if we fouled them going for the ball. They were in the double bonus and a foul there would’ve sent them to the line for two.
Really depends on interpretation of the cylinder rule. It probably should be called more often based on the interpretation they're supposed to use.
To play devils advocate I’ll think of it like this - the defender DID hit the shooter in the elbow (just happened to be with his chin rather than his hand). So therefore maybe it was a legit defensive foul?
The thing is I’ve just never seen this called against any other team except Rutgers (it’s been a few times over the last few years). Think Caleb and Oscar also got called with chin-fouls. Maybe this is a common thing that I’d notice if I watched more non-Rutgers games? But somehow I don’t think so
all I can say is that he moved enough for the announcers to notice it, even before the ball came down and touched by our basket...
bottom line is, you don't give the refs anything to call, period..
Don't give the refs a chance to interpret the play, and then make the home crowd happy
..you plant those feet and throw.
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You know I'm with you usually but I think he moved more than 3 feet. he should have stayed still and complained to the ref to give him room.
I noticed it on tv. The refs and the team were definitely going to see it. It was egregious. You simply aren't allowed to do that.
Should have hit in the nuts.
fair...I think colbert makes a really good point though in that it was clear the ref was greatly influenced by the bench (understandable)
I am not killing the refs for that play...but holy crap did they F us all game long...
the only beef I have, and why I even engaged in this thread is because its just not accurate that you can't move at all...and THAT'S what the announcers were saying
they were NOT saying that he moved greater than 3 feet
in one of my group chats, I even went and scraped a screen shot of the rule
and stop with the "you dont give the refs anything" crap...its easy to sit here and say that crap...the refs are supposed to know the rules and apply them fairly
you want to say that the ref did that in that situation, have at it. but it certainly looked like the ref blew the whistle because a) the bench went ape and b) caleb moved (which as has been pointed out, is not the rule)
if your argument is he moved more than the alloted 3 feet...then I am fine with that.
He didn't just move. He clearly shuffled both of his feet. You aren't allowed to do that. It was an easy call. There was no judgement to be made.
This is the worst part, the official let the Purdue bench make the call. He didn't see it.
Typically any ref, even an NBA ref will say, "you cannot run the sideline" and then tell the defender, "You can not reach over the out-of-bounds line." Wonder if that happened? Good reffing is communicating more and whistling less.
RULE 7 Out of Bounds and the Throw-in
Section 6. Throw-in — Requirements
*The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation.
*The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until
the ball is released. Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in
effect for a throw-in.
*No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of the body over the
inside plane of the boundary line.
I've been told the inbounder has a arc with a 3ft radius. No. That would be a 6ft wide window. It's only 3 foot and Caleb clearly wandered out of that window. Blunder on his part. He should have backed up. That would have been fine. I used to operate under the delusion that a defender had to be 3 ft off the line to give room but that is not the case. The defender cannot reach over. If you watch Edey, he if right on the line and his right arm is clearly reaching over the boundary. No call for the illegal defense that caused Caleb to back up. Bad job by the ref.
With 0.4 left, the smart play would have been to fake going high and then whip the ball off Edey's legs.
RULE 7 Out of Bounds and the Throw-in
Section 6. Throw-in — Requirements
*The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation.
*The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until
the ball is released. Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in
effect for a throw-in.
*No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of the body over the
inside plane of the boundary line.
I've been told the inbounder has a arc with a 3ft radius. No. That would be a 6ft wide window. It's only 3 foot and Caleb clearly wandered out of that window. Blunder on his part. He should have backed up. That would have been fine. I used to operate under the delusion that a defender had to be 3 ft off the line to give room but that is not the case. The defender cannot reach over. If you watch Edey, he if right on the line and his right arm is clearly reaching over the boundary. No call for the illegal defense that caused Caleb to back up. Bad job by the ref.
With 0.4 left, the smart play would have been to fake going high and then whip the ball off Edey's legs.
A good ref always reminds the inbounder that they can or can’t move.
Key here is you don’t accept the ball from the ref until you are where you want to be, and certainly not till after you insist on your three feet between you and the defender and or say or ask whatever you want to the ref. If you do not have the ball in hand they cannot start the 5 sec count and you cannot travel
