Unselfish Team
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I still think the guards need to do a MUCH better job getting others involved. Gavin played 25 minutes and took 8 shots. That needs to be more. Hyatt took 11. That needs to be less. Cliff took 10 that needed to be more against a team with no bigs and no shot blockers.
Simpson's offensive play wasn't an issue because he finished or got fouled most attempts at the rim. So far in his career that is not the norm.
We don't want to get to the point where Cliff rarely sees the ball so when he gets it it is going up. We may have reached that point at times this season.
BOTTOM LINE.....we are risking a lot defensively having gavin on the floor. We need to utilize him on offense. He and Cliff need to be focal points. Our strength isn't Simpson and Hyatt taking shots at the rim without looking to pass.
Simpson's offensive play wasn't an issue because he finished or got fouled most attempts at the rim. So far in his career that is not the norm.
We don't want to get to the point where Cliff rarely sees the ball so when he gets it it is going up. We may have reached that point at times this season.
BOTTOM LINE.....we are risking a lot defensively having gavin on the floor. We need to utilize him on offense. He and Cliff need to be focal points. Our strength isn't Simpson and Hyatt taking shots at the rim without looking to pass.
19 assists on 32 made FGs is good. You can definitely see the unselfishness, and there haven’t been many “hero ball” moments from anybody.
Especially like to see the freshmen with a combined 7 assists, GG with 3 and JMike with 4.
Especially like to see the freshmen with a combined 7 assists, GG with 3 and JMike with 4.
If Mag can even be 80 percent of what he was the rebounding will improve.
I see this the opposite way. We need him on the floor defensively against these early-schedule teams so that he can make mistakes, see them on film, and improve for the conference tests looming later in the season.
Pike is trying to bring him along and help him grow as a player - limiting his minutes to some degree, but giving him important game reps within the offense and defense. Getting beat by jab-steps that lead to made three pointers now will help him learn to be better in the future.
That's not my point....my point ...
If we are going to put a "-" on the floor defensively we need to make him a "+" on the floor offensively. He isn't moving the needle on offense when he isn't being passed to. Our guards need to be wired in thinking where on the floor is Cliff and Gavin.
I also disagree with this...Pike's sole and only focus right now is winning games. Gavin's minutes are based on the best chance of Rutgers winning.
The jab step will be in film sessions on all 13 B1G teams. Getting beat off the dribble is OK, but uncontested 3s are not.
We have played 5 games and we have not faced a shot blocker yet. Opponents know that things are completely different when Cliff is out there on defense. We are facing teams without centers and without shot blockers.
Yes, his sole and only purpose is winning games... But to win the more competitive games later in the season, you need to develop your team against the less competitive teams earlier in the season. He's bringing Griffiths along in a way that he feels best serves the chances of our team winning games.
When you are a 15-point favorite, you have more leeway to focus on secondary goals like player development.
We have a lot of guys who can score and Gavin himself gave up some good looks to get others a better look. We can’t force the ball to Gavin and Cliff just so they get x amount of shots. I thought we did too much of that in the first two games and had a lot of TO’s. Really happy with how unselfish this team is and the fact that so many guys can score in different ways.
I also liked the two man game between Wolf and I think it was Oskar resulting in a Wolf layup. I also like Wolf starting which helps keep Cliff out of early foul trouble. Really liked Gavin’s and everyone’s help D last night. If they all help we will be just fine on Defense.
I also liked the two man game between Wolf and I think it was Oskar resulting in a Wolf layup. I also like Wolf starting which helps keep Cliff out of early foul trouble. Really liked Gavin’s and everyone’s help D last night. If they all help we will be just fine on Defense.
Does RU get Ogbole soon?Not expecting much, but another person on the boards would be helpful.
When Griffiths drives he has been very unselfish looking to dish. It's a reason to run the offense through him more since he isn't being one dimensional only looking to score
Agreed Gavin needs to be more of the trigger man on offense. He puts pressure on the D in the lane and looks to pass. The guards are moving the ball well and the assits numbers have been solid. Simpson and Noah are looking to set up others and J Mike had a great dime to Oskar for a dunk. Inbounds has been crisper . They are young and just have to continue to grow .
We were way more unselfish in these last 2 games than the first two. Results were better too but I think I get what you’re saying. I thought one player put his head down and attacked the rim way too much the first 2 games and played great the last 2. If even a couple went in we win the Princeton game but they did not. The passing game is leading to much better shots than those that were taken against the Tigers.
Having Derek shoot is a strength of this team, you just don’t believe it yet or want it to be. Most elite teams have guards that take the big shots in games at critical times not necessarily the centers ,except Edey. Derek will be and should be taking at least 10 shots per game. He can also look to pass besides taking those 10 shots and should be able to do both.
What are derek's lifetime shooting percentages?
Until proven different Derek is a guy you love as a back up guard that can back up both positions. I am under the belief he doesn't have the skills or ability to be a 30+ MPG point guard.....at least not now.
Derek’s freshman numbers are identical to Geo’s freshman year. His assist so far this year are .9 less then Mullcahy who averaged 8 min more a game. Flashes has been great but agree with Pike consistency is what we need.
As far as Cliff there is no way down 2 or tied I want him taking that shot . I would rather Gavin, Derek, or Noah taken that shot a head of cliff. Cliff gret on the move or getting on the glass but struggles with getting the ball ripped away, passing out of the post and is very limited with his post moves.
Let’s just let this young team breathe and gel and grow together. We are going to be good and definitely have lows with a young team.
Felt like they forced themselves into that by passing up good looks for an additional pass. Could be wrong though.
Not sure what we can do about foul shooting it is our bane every year but I believe once Mag comes back our rebounding will improve immensely!!
Are you kidding me trying to cite freshman stats for a guard who played sparingly until the last 7 games of the year that he tried to do too much and took a ton of ill advised Shots to the confident , decisvise player you have seen the last 2-3 games. ? Let’s see it play out but Derek will. Feed Cliff and Gavin or Hyatt for threes but will also create his own shot and take it and drive to the hole and convert and hopefully get fouled. He has to use the glass to convert a higher %. When teams start trying to put their best defenders on him , you should see Derek’s full assist game in action. Throw out last year’s stats and trust Pike and the coaching staff telling you he will have a breakout sophomore year
It is how you try and use stats is the problem. If you think Derek will play exactly as he played last year , then you can use stats. If you think he will be a greatly improved player offensively , defensively , as a passer and as a shooter in his sophomore year as he is beginning to show , then throw your stats in the garbage.
If i recalll properly 2 years ago i told you we had a sample size of 90 games that showed Paul Mulcahays ridiculous run wasn’t sustainable. You told me in as many words i was stupid and wrong that i was a fool if i coukdnt see paul was a different player.
Of course he reverted to the mean and i was right.
It is possible Derek improves significantly off of his poor freshman year. A sampke size of 60 is small to have an extreme high confidence that he really is a 20% 3 point shooter. At tge same point it is a very liw pribability he ends up being a good perimeter shooter.
Paul didn’t revert to the mean , he became a liability turning the ball over last year at an alarming rate , plus his shoulder injury he suffered early last year in my opinion never let him become an offensive player he was during his stretch. His play down the stretch last year where we lost 6 of 8 and lost 4 at home was some of the worst ball he played in his career here. A reasonable argument can be made he had a much much better year 2 years ago than last year. I can only remember 1 game last year that Paul was terrific and a difference maker and that was second half against Michigan State at MSG and I am hard pressed to think of a second. Remember Paul was a junior when he had that run and most people would have presumed that he was getting better and as a senior would be the veteran point guard we always dreamed of having to bring us to the promise land. He reverted alright but not to the mean but almost off the Cliff turning the ball over and almost becoming a non factor on offense.
Most players improve from their freshman year though. RHJ was a 28% 3 point shooter his freshman year
If you want to use freshman stats as a baseline you probably want to assume X% improvement. The debate is how much can he improve. The fact that he was remarkably inefficient actually makes me think he can improve significantly
What is a reasonable expectation for Simpson as a 3 point shooter? I don't think 30% is unrealistic and it would be a large percentage increase
Greene is a very data driven guy. Data driven people often lack the capability of seeing transformation or change while it is occurring.
do you not remember what you were saying about Paul then? Do I need to go to the archives? You were calling me stupid for not seeing that Paul was changed.
I use a combination of both, BUT normally one should trust data over what their eyes see.
When it comes to things like defense stats really aren't relevant,
30% is very reasonable. I expect improvement off of last year for sure.
Probably was some of that. I thought you meant we slowed it down and forced it inside too much. On the other hand we also had some wild out of control drives when we tried to speed it up. The reality is they are playing better all around and from my novice eyes I see better passing these past couple of games.
Absolutely both are important. There are times when what we see in the present vs the past, and reasonable extrapolations thereof are much more important than data, which is backward-looking. Sometimes what happened last year is not very relevant to what is happening this year, or right now.
Our eyes are biased. Stats arent. Interpretations of stats can be biased.
Actually both are biased! You can cut data a million different ways to support an argument. It’s your eyes and experience armed with data which is key.
That is an excellent point that is lost in the only data tards. There are so many intangibles and plays that do not show up on stat sheets that only the trained basketball eye , mostly coaches , but also experienced watchers , truly appreciate. Caleb was not called the Defensive Player of the Year by Pike because of just the defensive stat sheet , which the voters will look at to determine the award , but the help defense to cut off a basket , directing a player into a Cliff block , denying the ball to a tremendous ball handler and driver , weak side rebounding , doubling at the appropriate time , wingspan leading to deflections that someone else gets credited with the steal. I could go on forever. These are things the coaches , especially Pike sees, that the casual fan just cannot.
You just named so many of the things that made it so much fun to watch Caleb play D.
Caleb was a conductor on the court playing Beethoven 5th. Absolute art
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