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Where are the SUNY University Centers (Binghamton, Albany, Buffalo and Stony Brook)?Northwestern 10
UCLA 20
Michigan & USC 25
Wisconsin 38
Illinois 41
tOSU 49
Purdue 51
RU & UMD 55
Minnesota 62
Indiana 72
MSU & Cult 77
Iowa 83
Nebraska 151
This is FANTASTIC result, simply put. RU is tied for the #1 public U in the Northeast (we're also just ahead of UConn and Pitt, the only other contenders in the category).
There's a lot of random movement in these numbers because the raw scores are so close. BTW, the Florida schools have gotten a lot better due to financial support from the state, including a scholarship program that encourages high school graduates to stay in state. Tuition at the Florida public universities is also pretty low and that also keeps high school grads in state.Great news. Didn’t we move up a couple years ago and then back down?
columbia at 18 wow.
FSU at 55 give me a break
glad to see PSU at 77
That list is only the ranking of the B1G schools (as well as B1G-to-be with the two CA schools).Where are the SUNY University Centers (Binghamton, Albany, Buffalo and Stony Brook)?
Yes, I figured that it was only the Big Ten schools I wasn't trying to imply deliberate omission. The SUNY rankings reflect how unknown the schools are. Stony Brook and Binghamton are very good schools, although the State of New York starves SUNY terribly. Lots of bright New York City area kids go to those schools.That list is only the ranking of the B1G schools (as well as B1G-to-be with the two CA schools).
Stony Brook 77
Binghamton 83
Buffalo 89
Albany 182
Great news. Didn’t we move up a couple years ago and then back down?
columbia at 18 wow.
FSU at 55 give me a break
glad to see PSU at 77
2019 is what I remember. Hope this year sticks.From @Leonard23 last year:
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Rutgers US News Rankings 1996-2022
1996 #45, #12 public
1998 #16 public
2000 #22 public
2001 #24 public
2004 #60
2005 #58
2006 #60
2007 #60
2008 #59
2009 #64
2010 #66
2011 #64
2012 #68, #24 public
2013 #68
2014 #69, #25 public
2015 #70
2016 #72
2017 #70
2018 #69, #25 public
2019 #56, #17 public, #5 B1G
2020 #62, #22 public, #8 B1G
2021 #63, #23 public, #8 B1G
2022 #63, #23 public, #8 B1G
“
Now we add 2023:
2023 #55, #19 public, #8 B1G
US News Undergraduate ranking (2022) of all P-5 Universities
US News (2022) undergraduate ranking of all P-5 Universities: 6 Stanford 9 Duke 9 Northwestern 14 Vanderbilt 19 Notre Dame 20 UCLA 22 Cal-Berkeley 23 Michigan 25 Virginia 27 USC 28 North Carolina 28 Wake Forest 28 Florida 36 Boston College 38 Georgia Tech 38 Texas 42 Wisconsin 47 Illinois 48...rutgers.forums.rivals.com
We’ve been climbing up from the 2016 low point.
True. But when the rankings first came in the 80's I believe, we were ranked about 39th. It's nice to be recognized, but as I've said over the last four decades, the methodology used by Robert Morse and his staff is so flawed and so skewed toward private schools over public schools making the whole process laughable and without credibility.RU continues to slowing move up:
Much, much lower. In the 80's and 90's.Where are the SUNY University Centers (Binghamton, Albany, Buffalo and Stony Brook)?
The SUNY schools are much better schools than that. It comes from not having sports teams or the like to make them well-known. It also comes from being starved for money due to New York politics. The up-staters won't vote money for them because the up-staters are conservative, and the down-staters want the money instead for the City University system, which used to be superb.Much, much lower. In the 80's and 90's.
This is great news to see us back in the 50s, and #55 appears to be our 2nd highest ranking ever, unless someone has rankings earlier than 1996. Next stop is to breakthrough to the 40s.From @Leonard23 last year:
“
Rutgers US News Rankings 1996-2022
1996 #45, #12 public
1998 #16 public
2000 #22 public
2001 #24 public
2004 #60
2005 #58
2006 #60
2007 #60
2008 #59
2009 #64
2010 #66
2011 #64
2012 #68, #24 public
2013 #68
2014 #69, #25 public
2015 #70
2016 #72
2017 #70
2018 #69, #25 public
2019 #56, #17 public, #5 B1G
2020 #62, #22 public, #8 B1G
2021 #63, #23 public, #8 B1G
2022 #63, #23 public, #8 B1G
“
Now we add 2023:
2023 #55, #19 public, #8 B1G
US News Undergraduate ranking (2022) of all P-5 Universities
US News (2022) undergraduate ranking of all P-5 Universities: 6 Stanford 9 Duke 9 Northwestern 14 Vanderbilt 19 Notre Dame 20 UCLA 22 Cal-Berkeley 23 Michigan 25 Virginia 27 USC 28 North Carolina 28 Wake Forest 28 Florida 36 Boston College 38 Georgia Tech 38 Texas 42 Wisconsin 47 Illinois 48...rutgers.forums.rivals.com
We’ve been climbing up from the 2016 low point.
There's a lot of random movement in these numbers because the raw scores are so close. BTW, the Florida schools have gotten a lot better due to financial support from the state, including a scholarship program that encourages high school graduates to stay in state. Tuition at the Florida public universities is also pretty low and that also keeps high school grads in state.
The SUNY schools are much better schools than that. It comes from not having sports teams or the like to make them well-known. It also comes from being starved for money due to New York politics. The up-staters won't vote money for them because the up-staters are conservative, and the down-staters want the money instead for the City University system, which used to be superb.
I didn't say the problem was that downstate kids wouldn't go there. The problem is that legislators from New York City prefer that money go to the City University rather than SUNY.I think the problem for them is they're lacking the research and department rankings chops. You pick up the NYT or even the WSJ and they're interviewing someone at RU as an expert way more than a SUNY school. Ross Baker for example, someone in the women's studies department relating to female politicians. RU also developed the rapid COVID test.
A ton of LI and NYC kids go to Binghamton, for example, so I don't think it's really an upstate/downstate issue.
I didn't say the problem was that downstate kids wouldn't go there. The problem is that legislators from New York City prefer that money go to the City University rather than SUNY.
I don't think there's any room for doubt that the Camden campus is, to use your word, deprived. For instance, the public policy program at Camden has as many students as that in New Brunswick. The latter has the Bloustein building -- Camden doesn't even have a building.That's more or less though where we are in NJ though it's a more absurd version given the size of our state. It's maybe 2 hours at worst drive from my house in North Jersey, almost NY, to Rowan or Richard Stockton, probably the furthest state colleges from here. But South Jersey pols claim they're deprived and RU-Newark claims they don't have chalk because we have football.
Now I think that dynamic has begun to shift, and other NJ public schools put up some nice numbers too. The South Jersey machine has been pummelled in recent years and I think the state is becoming more cohesive. But I still do read shrieking every so often from Newark or South Jersey outlets that whine about RU.
Your last paragraph is absolutely right. Keep in mind also that the rankings in one year influence "expert opinion" and so being ranked high (or low) one year influences the ranking for the next year.One point here, is that 20% of this is entirely based on "expert opinion. So 20% of the score is:
"Each year, top academics – presidents, provosts and deans of admissions – rate the academic quality of peer institutions with which they are familiar on a scale of 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished). We take a two-year weighted average of the ratings. The 2022-2023 Best Colleges rankings factor in scores from both 2022 and 2021."
This is where being in the B1G, a conference that prides itself on academics, actually does provide us with a true value regarding these rankings. Many of those "experts" have relatively little interaction with other schools. So we benefit from being spoken of as a peer with Michigan instead of a peer with, say, Louisville.
The other thing with these rankings, is that it's often a mere percentile point or two between, say, #40 and #50. The result is quite a bit of fluctuation and that if one part of the methodology that doesn't really affect undergraduates at the school is lacking, it can make a big difference in the school's ranking. So if a SUNY school has a below average alumni donations, that can set them back, even if it doesn't matter to their schooling.
I don't think there's any room for doubt that the Camden campus is, to use your word, deprived. For instance, the public policy program at Camden has as many students as that in New Brunswick. The latter has the Bloustein building -- Camden doesn't even have a building.
OK, but does, say, to use a peer school UMD-Eastern Shore have as nice facilities as College Park? The non-main campuses are just that.
Northwestern 10
UCLA 20
Michigan & USC 25
Wisconsin 38
Illinois 41
tOSU 49
Purdue 51
RU & UMD 55
Minnesota 62
Indiana 72
MSU & Cult 77
Iowa 83
Nebraska 151
This is FANTASTIC result, simply put. RU is tied for the #1 public U in the Northeast (we're also just ahead of UConn and Pitt, the only other contenders in the category).
If UMD-Eastern Shore has a public policy program with the same amount of students as Rutgers-NB and no building then the problem isn’t Camden matching its peer schools.
The problem is both schools need a building. Of course the money for said building probably doesn’t exist, but it is still a need.
For instance, the public policy program at Camden has as many students as that in New Brunswick. The latter has the Bloustein building -- Camden doesn't even have a building.