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I don't know why there is an anti anything regarding this situation. We need players and people think you can recruit if a new coach from Stony Brook goes 7-24 because we are stripped down to bare bones. Yes there is a difference between 7-24 and 13-19 or better, if the product is better and you can show better recruits that you can do something with the existing pieces on campus.....if that means Shoes stays, so be it.

On the other hand, I don't see why there is this notion that these coaches don't already have a pre-existing relationship or knowledge of each other or that no one existed prior to RU. This is coaching and everyone knows everyone, period. If Pikiell makes the decision that is best for his career path and that means we keep Shoes on board, it's his career at stake, not anyone elses....his reputation takes an enormous hit if we gets destroyed with a mindset of starting from scratch, when you don't have to.

Players that are 2017 and 2018 recruits specifically will want to see what RU does next year....the better the rotation/product/roster looks in Year One is most important in this type of situation.....there is no "throw away years", with a coaching staff that is coming in from Stony Brook....if you brought in Roy Williams, Jay Wright, Calipari and he wanted to clean house, my guess would be their track records would dictate that it will be fine and work out. Pikiell and whatever staff assembled doesn't have that luxury.

As far as the Flood vs Ash comments, Ash wanted to keep at least one or two holdovers but some other hurdles prevented that from happening.....he wanted to do that to retain as much talent that was clearly recruited by the prior staff.....to say anything otherwise would be 100% wrong. Pikiell is playing this situation perfectly IMO.
 
We can't think that way. That is a Flood move. Only reason to keep Shoes is if he can execute a part of Pikiel's vision.
basketball is different then football..one impact player can change the direction of a Bball team..so If you have to keep Shoes to land Thiam..do it! the talent level is thin enough incomming and exsisting.
 
basketball is different then football..one impact player can change the direction of a Bball team..so If you have to keep Shoes to land Thiam..do it! the talent level is thin enough incomming and exsisting.

Not sure Thiam is an impact player, or at least next year.

I have no issue with keeping Shoes, but if Pikiell wants to go in another direction, that is fine too.
 
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2016/04/rutgers_steve_pikiell.html

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...ikiell-busy-reshaping-rutgers-hoops/82687838/

Key points:

DeShawn Freeman has rejoined the team

Jahlil Tripp no longer being pursued as recruit

Issa Thiam still being pursued as recruit (so with bullock and thiam then there still remains 4 open ships)

Rickard may be put in different role than as asst coach (so 2 asst coach positions to fill)

Shoes still is a presence on campus (very telling)

Doorson and Freeman seeking mesical redshirts

Sanders participating in workouts with team
First Freeman is leaving, then he's not. What changed the situation ? Coaches doing, his doing or a combination of other things ? Sounds good anyhow unless there is more to the story. It might be a " to be continued " thing.
 
Imactually met both Foreman's, DJ and George. DJ was much friendlier

I met George and he was a great guy. Talked to me for a long time, actually I had to say I'm leaving or he would have kept talking.
 
I met George and he was a great guy. Talked to me for a long time, actually I had to say I'm leaving or he would have kept talking.
Interesting. I met him at an airline club. He has a scowl on his face so I reluctantly said hello and said I was a big fan (which i was). His scowl never changed. Maybe just a rough day at the airport
Shorter than i thought
Conversely i met Larry Holmes too. Nicest guy. Hands the size of baseball gloves. Couldnt have been more friendly
 
Interesting. I met him at an airline club. He has a scowl on his face so I reluctantly said hello and said I was a big fan (which i was). His scowl never changed. Maybe just a rough day at the airport
Shorter than i thought
Conversely i met Larry Holmes too. Nicest guy. Hands the size of baseball gloves. Couldnt have been more friendly
As was Evander Holyfield when I ran into him at Disney some years ago. Posed for a picture with us and everything.
 
Who cares? Pikiell is a grown man. I'm sure he can make his own decisions based on what he feels is best not what GRFIG perceives.
The problem Rutgers has faced for decades is attracting higher caliber talent and then keeping them from transferring.As such Rutgers isn't exactly in a position to pick and choose between assistant coaches who have successful records as recruiters at high profile programs.Vetrone has some cache with recruiting current squad members who are the more talented players like Sanders and Laurent.If the new head coach wants a entirely new staff ,then he has to deal with the transfers and find a way to recruit better players.Not a easy task for a program starving for success.
 
Marvin Hagler was cool. Saw him driving thru a parking lot in Vegas. Said to my friend that's Hagler. He stopped his car, put it into reverse and stopped to talk to us for a moment.

Tommy Hearns was great also.

Julius Erving and a Mark Ivaroni were good enough to pose for pics also.

Moses Malone and Frank Robinson, not so much, I will leave it at that.
 
I saw Tyson box in an Exhibition in Battery Park at lunch time just before he made it big, that was cool. I think he was on an undercard for Macho Camacho who was there as well.
 
Back to boxing, what has happened to boxing? Did PPV kill the sport, or is it alive and well?
 
Marvin Hagler was cool. Saw him driving thru a parking lot in Vegas. Said to my friend that's Hagler. He stopped his car, put it into reverse and stopped to talk to us for a moment.

Tommy Hearns was great also.

Julius Erving and a Mark Ivaroni were good enough to pose for pics also.

Moses Malone and Frank Robinson, not so much, I will leave it at that.

I'll bet this is the 1st time Mark Ivaroni has ever received a mention on any RU message board. Next I am going to hear about Buddy Biancalana.
 
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Marvin Hagler was cool. Saw him driving thru a parking lot in Vegas. Said to my friend that's Hagler. He stopped his car, put it into reverse and stopped to talk to us for a moment.

Tommy Hearns was great also.

Julius Erving and a Mark Ivaroni were good enough to pose for pics also.

Moses Malone and Frank Robinson, not so much, I will leave it at that.

Dale Berra was very bad, a prima donna........lol, In all seriousness, Zapaa is s a great guy.
 
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@NewJerseyHawk Can you expand on the hurdles ash encountered? Curious...particularly given the recruiting losses we sustained this year.
 
If we can land Knight as our lead recruiter to pair with Hobbs, who cares if we lose Shoe and if Thiam lands elsewhere. Knight has killed it in recruiting for Pitt, anyone who would keep Shoes over Knight just because of Thiam is crazy IMO. Pray we land Knight, will be very impressed if we can land him.
 
If we can land Knight as our lead recruiter to pair with Hobbs, who cares if we lose Shoe and if Thiam lands elsewhere. Knight has killed it in recruiting for Pitt, anyone who would keep Shoes over Knight just because of Thiam is crazy IMO. Pray we land Knight, will be very impressed if we can land him.
Knight would be a great hire,however Hobbs is the only other assistant coach that has been hired,thus there is an open position for Shoe.Also besides Thiam having ties to Shoe so does Sanders and Laurant.
Without all three of them last season will look good.Thus Shoe needs to be hired.
 
If shoes is retained on staff, but is not on the road as a recruiter, does that mollify the "we need to keep shoes" crowd? Or does that just restart a whole new rage that takes up the next 100 threads of conversation on here?
 
If shoes is retained on staff, but is not on the road as a recruiter, does that mollify the "we need to keep shoes" crowd? Or does that just restart a whole new rage that takes up the next 100 threads of conversation on here?
But Shoes is a recruiter. That's his role however you value him at it.
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I'm not so sure it is an "either-or" situation with Knight and Shoes. And in the case of keeping Shoes, it isn't just about recruiting but also about retention.
 
I was curious about that comment as well.
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@NewJerseyHawk Can you expand on the hurdles ash encountered? Curious...particularly given the recruiting losses we sustained this year.

The Ash stuff has been beaten to death and don't want to rehash what happened back in December and January....some fans don't want to hear it anymore or are under the impression that cleaning house was some sort of statement about the new staff vs prior staff. The reality is if things were slightly different, perhaps a prior staff member or two are still here and maybe a couple or few of the recruits that we lost could have made a big difference down the road.....these are my opinions on what happened BUT it appears that if 2017 recruiting takes off, then it won't matter what happened in 2016 for football recruiting.

In the basketball case, there are some here that are somehow adamant that flushing out everything associated with the prior staff and any potential recruits tied to that staff is the right decision, despite all the moves or lack of moves stating otherwise. What's different in this case for basketball is that it's crystal clear that a recruit is tied or loyal to Shoes and that perhaps existing players may obviously prefer a familiar face/coach/voice is carried over from this past year to next year.

If Pat Hobbs can land Karl Hobbs AND Brandin Knight, then that's completely different than where we are today.....if we are talking about a staff of Karl Hobbs, Brandin Knight and Young, with a Rickard in a role not as an assistant, then we are off to the races....
 
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2016/04/rutgers_steve_pikiell.html

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...ikiell-busy-reshaping-rutgers-hoops/82687838/

Key points:

DeShawn Freeman has rejoined the team

Jahlil Tripp no longer being pursued as recruit

Issa Thiam still being pursued as recruit (so with bullock and thiam then there still remains 4 open ships)

Rickard may be put in different role than as asst coach (so 2 asst coach positions to fill)

Shoes still is a presence on campus (very telling)

Doorson and Freeman seeking medical redshirts

Sanders participating in workouts with team
Thanks for update. Still a question on Hobbs --- is he on board or not? No official work from Rutgers, which is a bit concerning in that he may not come on board.
 
Maybe I am too conceptual in my thinking.....

Players in the program need to be reprogrammed. The intensity needs to be dialed up in the weight room, practice, and in games. The old has to go. Having coaches from the previous regime around could stunt the transition. We don't want players to be comfortable. Quite frankly I don't want players here that require or need a past coach to be around.
 
If Pikiell didn't like/want Shoes then he would already be gone. Why would he keep him around another month? And P doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wold string Shoes along. Granted, if someone else signed up that precluded P from keeping Vetrone he'd be gone. But barring a major deveiopment, seems that Vetrone stays on board.

My guess is it's SHoes that's looking for a longer term commitment (extension?) and/or a little more cash. Maybe P wants to see how the year will go before commiting. Think we'll know soon.
 
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