November Madness
But with pro and college football dominating the space, not so sure people will notice 🤔
But with pro and college football dominating the space, not so sure people will notice 🤔
Vegas Players Era Tourney going to 32 in 2026
- Thread starter bac2therac
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A step towards the ncaa tournament being the second tier tournament when the big boys break off
I'm pining for the days when the majority of teams started the college basketball season Thanksgiving weekend.
Yeah, right? Remember that? We had our very own Jersey Classic back in those days. I know times have changed, but are they kidding us with this crap?
They LOST money on this year's
They will lose more on the stupid Crown
Are they paying everyone a million Oh just give out 32-40 million out on a November tourney while peeps aren't paying attention
Why would we back out of a Feast Week tournament that will pay us $1 million dollars in NIL?
Well Pike isn’t exactly Mr. NIL, so can’t view that as a motivating factor.
He knows he needs wins, and being in a tournament early in the year filled with Q1 opportunities isn’t good for him.
He mentioned it during the big ten tournament saying his team was ready for something like that (even though it’s the best they played all year???).
I don't think we'll back out, but would not be surprised if somehow were left out of it late. We bring no draw next year as of now.
If this roster is built on low major portal adds, Teams won’t want to have us in their bracket bc it can count as a Quad 3 or quad 4 game for them lol
@bac2therac would know better than me. But it seems like Q1 losses don't hurt that bad and are well worth the risk. It was the losses at Kinnesaw State and Princeton that buried our NCAA resume, not the losses to Alabama and TAMU.
If you sweep your Q3 and Q4 games, you can get away with a lot of Q1 losses, as long as your Q1-Q2-Q3 record is at or above .500.
Scheduling more non-conference Q1 games than we currently do is the way to go. Then also need to win all the games against the 5 or 6 patsy games we play. North Carolina, with a big assist likely from their AD on the committee, paid no price at all this year for a total lack of success in Q1 games. Play the Q1 teams, maybe grab some wins in them and go from there.
they are not going to turn this down because of the money and exposure and probably gets them in the following year for the 32 team tourney.
however next year this team isnt going to have ncaa goals so basically just try to win as many as you can and to do that you need a weak ass schedule around 300 plus. I get they have to play at SHU but everything else should be Q4 home games. If they play in Vegas maybe they get lucky matched up with a weaker school like st joes or unlv and can sneak a win out.
but yeah in theory what you are saying is true but ncaa is a pipedream next year..a clean resume with no bad losses is helpful but how is this team going to get 5-6 Q1 wins
Pike has an additional $1 million to sell to recruits with potential for more...thats the same as if all of us complainers here donated and got them a million..he has no excuse, he is being handed 1 million by this tourney
The problem hasn't been scheduling all patsy games OOC.
It's that we schedule all patsy games OOC and then lose some of them.
Princeton, Kennesaw State, Temple, Lafayette, Depaul, Seton Hall, UMass
If we can't even sweep a 300 OOC, why would we upgrade it?
I mean in general this should be the strategy for scheduling. Next year we will be very lucky to have a roster that makes the tourney or is even on the bubble. I already assume another sub .500 season is ahead unless we work some portal magic (and that has not worked too well for Pike thus far). Just have a general year to year strategy that emphasizes playing Q1 games, not all Q1 games, but play more than we do typically in non-conference. We had Bama and A&M last year for non-conference, so add two more for around 4 total. Don’t see any point in the Q2 borderline Q3 teams or straight up Q3 teams on the schedule. Get rid of those and play Q1s. Stop with the having to play SHU and Princeton, they don’t enhance anything regarding the schedule and metrics.
this vegas tourney if it pans out will really change the way scheduling goes forward for everyone because everyone will be dying to get in this tourney and its going to really kill alot of the long time 8 team tourneys that either do not pay enough to be worth it like Atlantis or dont pay at all.
from looking at how the sec scheduled this year and everyone was still in the top 100 and schools like Vandy 330 and Texas 280 still were in the tourney, things could be changing....really hard to get a read now on what the criteria is...unc may be the aberration, take their name away and no other school would have got in with that resume. The ACC schools are the ones who needs to start scheduling strong or they will become the new Mountain West who by the way are headed to below mid major status once the Pac 12 rebrand begins
My bad. I think of P5 as Big10, SEC, ACC, B12 and Pac 10.... which no longer exists.
A loss to a Q1 does not hurt like a loss to a Q4. Schedule more Q1s, the issue is the overall strategy and philosophy at Rutgers. Change the philosophy to playing your 5-7 patsy games at home and the rest of the non-conference (4-5 games) are Q1s. This should be the overall philosophy that is baked into the cake. It hasn’t kicked in yet at RU. A road game at Kennesaw, a Notre Dame, SHU and a Princeton game really are no benefit at all. I would rather have a more guaranteed win against a Q4 at home than those games.
but we have been told by posters here, jerry carino and our favorite lawyer on twitter that we must play Princeton
Nobody is saying a Q1 loss hurts more than Q4 loss.
My point is turn the Q4 losses into Q4 wins first. Then see where we are.
Q4 win v. Q1 loss?
Everyone complained about UNC and all their Q1 losses and said it was a conspiracy to let them in.
So that means people don't think Q1 losses should be valued over Q3/4 wins?
Can't have it both ways:
Q1 losses are good
UNC was a travesty making the tournament
Agreed of course win the Q4 games, but schedule less of them and you enhance your strength of schedule and then you have less worry about losing one of them. Play 11 Q4 games and it’s more opportunity to lose 1. Also lose those crappy Q3 games and this dumb philosophy of we must play New Jersey teams like SHU and Princeton. If anticipate them enhancing our schedule then, sure by all means play them. Play the 5 or 6 easy Q4 games and then play 4 Q1 games and maybe 1 Q2 that you thought was a Q1 at the time but the team dropped down to Q2. We need to play more high major/power 4 non-conference games as these likely will hold as Q1, especially if played on a neutral court.
Win 6 patsy Q4 games each year, go 2-3 in the Q1 games and 10-10 in the B1G and your 18-13 with good SOS and you’re dancing. Is next year built for this? I seriously doubt it, I expect a sub .500 team where no type of scheduling exists that will help them. In general this scheduling philosophy should be what we do every year.
If playing Princeton enhances our schedule, then yes play them. But they seem like an automatic Q3 or worse every season, get rid of that game and dump SHU for that matter. Replace them with a Big 12 and an ACC/SEC or a better Big East program game, add two Q1s to replace those games.
In a normal year, the OOC scheduling strategy should be:
- 6 cupcakes AT HOME
- 3 games in Feast Week tournament
- Seton Hall - I like to continue this rivalry regardless of how good or bad SHU is.
- 1 additional P5 opponent
- ZERO mid-major or low-major opponents at road or neutral sites (which are typically going to be Quad 3 games that we have a big risk of losing) -- THESE are the games that have KILLED us during Pike's tenure, e.g., Fordham away, Depaul away, UMass away, St. Bonnies neutral, Temple neutral, Princeton neutral (twice), Kennesaw away.
- 6 cupcakes AT HOME
- 3 games in Feast Week tournament
- Seton Hall - I like to continue this rivalry regardless of how good or bad SHU is.
- 1 additional P5 opponent
- ZERO mid-major or low-major opponents at road or neutral sites (which are typically going to be Quad 3 games that we have a big risk of losing) -- THESE are the games that have KILLED us during Pike's tenure, e.g., Fordham away, Depaul away, UMass away, St. Bonnies neutral, Temple neutral, Princeton neutral (twice), Kennesaw away.
Oh I completely agree with that, but Pike’s comments implied that he does not agree with that.
My impression is that Jerry wants the series to continue because he feels like it's good for NJ. I think most people know it's not necessarily good for Rutgers. I think Pike assumed this year's team would be good enough to smoke Kinnesaw, SHU, and Princeton. Therefore, he didn't see these games as huge risks. Obviously, it didn't work out that way.
I don't think Pike can ask out of the tournament this year if he thinks we are going to struggle because I would imagine we would NEVER get invited back if we removed ourselves from consideration
not to mention he would replace those 3 games with some more NEC and MAAC schools that i have no interest in paying to see us play at home
not to mention he would replace those 3 games with some more NEC and MAAC schools that i have no interest in paying to see us play at home
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