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We need Schiano Period.

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Will he get us to the elite level? Probably not. But he'll defineitely repair the damage that Flood has done, make us a solid middle of the pack Big Ten team year in and year out, and set us on the right course again.

I'm also optimistic that he'll be a much improved version of what he was due to experience at HS, College and NFL levels of football.

Read this link. It's got me pumped to get him to coach on the banks again!

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off
 
Just not a well thought out statement..." Will he get us to the elite level ? probably not " ... Bulletin : We don't want to be "middle of the pack in the B1G...what purpose would that serve...people in year 3 or 4 and perhaps sooner would be bashing Greg Schiano...the coaching staff ... the team... as for a better version...a leopard never changes his spots no matter how much you scrub.
 
Just not a well thought out statement..." Will he get us to the elite level ? probably not " ... Bulletin : We don't want to be "middle of the pack in the B1G...what purpose would that serve...people in year 3 or 4 and perhaps sooner would be bashing Greg Schiano...the coaching staff ... the team... as for a better version...a leopard never changes his spots no matter how much you scrub.
We have to start somewhere man. Flood screwed everything thing that Greg built. Honestly I would rather hire schiano than take a gamble on a MAC head coach. One thing is for sure if Greg comes back we will play with an attitude and play great d-fence something that we haven't seen around here for about three years. Oh yeah he would kill it in recruiting also
 
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No elite level coach is coming here. However they will likely consider it once we are a consistent middle of the pack team with the big ten fully vested revenue coming in. He'll also instill discipline on and off the field. You have to walk before you can run. Under Flood we've regressed to crawl. We need to fix the program again.
 
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I think GS would be highly skeptical of the current RU admins. They aren't football people. When RU had football people they got burned (Bob M etc). If GS did come back he should bring Brian Leonard with him
 
Everything is going to be OK.

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I want a guy from the NFL for HC like Michigan got. Touch bases with some NFL head coaches to see who they recommend. The problem is the University may not have the money to spend on a high octane coach.
 
I think GS would be highly skeptical of the current RU admins. They aren't football people. When RU had football people they got burned (Bob M etc). If GS did come back he should bring Brian Leonard with him
I think Herman is a good AD and will be supportive on Schiano as long as he goes to bowl games and has teams that perform well on and off the field. Barichi will be out by June 2016 so he's a non-issue.

To get schaino I think we'd need $5mill in total per year. It should be Schaino's decision of how he wants to split that up between himself and his assistants. I'm thinking $2mill for assistants and $3mill for Greg (that way we can also bring in a good OC). Our big donors, being Schiano supporters, will be more willing to spend this kind of money on Schiano than an unknown. Logically it's better to gamble on a known than an unknown. The known with Schiano is that we'll be getting solid top 35 recruiting classes each year, 7-9 win bowl teams, discipline on and off the field (just look at the penalties and arrests) and good off the field performance (APR has been slipping a great deal since Flood became HC).

In regards to the bolded section about BL, why?
 
I would imagine we will have flood until probably the end of 2017. This year will be written off as rebuilding. 2016 will be written off as "rebuilding takes time but we are starting to get a little impatient" and 2017 will be "ok I guess it's not going to happen but we'll always have the 4 way tie for the last big east championship."
 
I want a guy from the NFL for HC like Michigan got. Touch bases with some NFL head coaches to see who they recommend. The problem is the University may not have the money to spend on a high octane coach.
We don't have the money for that yet! And let's be honest no nfl head coach or big time college coordinator is going to take this job at this point. If Greg gets the job and does nothing else than get us to the middle of the pack and once in a while finish in the top 3 or 4 in the east then he did his job and put us in a position to go out and make a big time hire.
 
I want a guy from the NFL for HC like Michigan got. Touch bases with some NFL head coaches to see who they recommend. The problem is the University may not have the money to spend on a high octane coach.

Schiano has NFL HCing experience extra point... And will bring a shutdown defense. Something he did VERY will with at Tampa Bay. This NFL experience will also get us recruits.
 
Our admin is a joke. No high profile coach is coming to work for those buffoons. Doesn't matter how much you throw at them. They can make more working at places with competent, friendly administrators.

GS would be a steal right now. But would he do it?
 
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Just not a well thought out statement..." Will he get us to the elite level ? probably not " ... Bulletin : We don't want to be "middle of the pack in the B1G...what purpose would that serve...people in year 3 or 4 and perhaps sooner would be bashing Greg Schiano...the coaching staff ... the team... as for a better version...a leopard never changes his spots no matter how much you scrub.
No one, REPEAT, No one will get us to the elite level. STop being Delusional.
 
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Have to disagree that Schiano coming back is a good idea. I don't think that the damage done to the program is that deep or lasting at this point, and Schiano is not the only guy out there who can fix it. In fact, I think that most of what ails the program now are things that any good football coach should be able to fix within two years, and if Julie can't find a guy to do it, she should be gone as well. The problem is people often look at solving the short-term issues with these sort of hires when they really should be looking at the long-term. And if you think about it, that's how we ended up with Flood in the first place. TP wanted to hold the 2012 recruiting class together and Flood was there and...problem solved, right? Well, yeah, that problem was solved, but how's it working out now? Not so good it seems. Bringing back Schiano could be similar. We have issues with discipline and defense, Schiano's strengths. Why bring him back to fix those things? Well, financial issues aside, those are things that any good coach you bring in should be able to fix. And bringing back Schiano also means having to deal with his shortcomings. Yeah, he says he's changed, but saying you've changed and actually living it out are two different things. When people come under stress and pressure, they tend to go back to what they're familiar and comfortable with. That's why it's hard for addicts to overcome their addictions. So, it would be likely that under the rigors of a football season and coaching on gameday that Schiano would fall back into a lot of the patterns of behavior that caused issues in his first stint at RU. Look at it this way, going to Schiano now is kind of like Flood starting Laviano at quarterback. He's a guy you're comfortable with but seems to have a very definite ceiling. I'd rather go out and look for the coaching equivalent of a Rettig and give him a shot and see what he can do.
 
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Schiano's time has passed. He was fired so fast from the NFL it made his head spin. If the University has 5 mil to spend it should be for a young hungry coach like Schiano once was. I don't think Schiano will ever be a HC for a major college program again. He might become a DC somewhere or a tv commentator.
 
Schiano's time has passed. He was fired so fast from the NFL it made his head spin. If the University has 5 mil to spend it should be for a young hungry coach like Schiano once was. I don't think Schiano will ever be a HC for a major college program again. He might become a DC somewhere or a tv commentator.
We will never pay $5 million to a coach. REPEAT We will never pay $5 million to a coach. I expect $2-3 million. There is no guarantee we win 6 for $5 million unless it 's Meyer, Saban or Habaugh.
 
I would imagine we will have flood until probably the end of 2017. This year will be written off as rebuilding. 2016 will be written off as "rebuilding takes time but we are starting to get a little impatient" and 2017 will be "ok I guess it's not going to happen but we'll always have the 4 way tie for the last big east championship."
It would take a miracle for Flood to be retained after all that has happened.
 
You don't really believe that do you? And in any event if he is replaced odds are good they will find someone even cheaper with even fewer qualifications than him.
 
We will never pay $5 million to a coach. REPEAT We will never pay $5 million to a coach. I expect $2-3 million. There is no guarantee we win 6 for $5 million unless it 's Meyer, Saban or Habaugh.
You are right, I saw that the other poster said pay Schiano 5 million and I used that number.
 
Tampa Bay Coach Lovie Smith is making Schiano look like Vince Lombardi, he is 2-15 since taking over and being Mr Nice guy. I'm not saying Schiano is the right fit at RU , but his NFL record is looking better and better with what now is going on at Tampa Bay.

Schiano's time has passed. He was fired so fast from the NFL it made his head spin. If the University has 5 mil to spend it should be for a young hungry coach like Schiano once was. I don't think Schiano will ever be a HC for a major college program again. He might become a DC somewhere or a tv commentator.
 
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Have to disagree that Schiano coming back is a good idea. I don't think that the damage done to the program is that deep or lasting at this point, and Schiano is not the only guy out there who can fix it. In fact, I think that most of what ails the program now are things that any good football coach should be able to fix within two years, and if Julie can't find a guy to do it, she should be gone as well. The problem is people often look at solving the short-term issues with these sort of hires when they really should be looking at the long-term. And if you think about it, that's how we ended up with Flood in the first place. TP wanted to hold the 2012 recruiting class together and Flood was there and...problem solved, right? Well, yeah, that problem was solved, but how's it working out now? Not so good it seems. Bringing back Schiano could be similar. We have issues with discipline and defense, Schiano's strengths. Why bring him back to fix those things? Well, financial issues aside, those are things that any good coach you bring in should be able to fix. And bringing back Schiano also means having to deal with his shortcomings. Yeah, he says he's changed, but saying you've changed and actually living it out are two different things. When people come under stress and pressure, they tend to go back to what they're familiar and comfortable with. That's why it's hard for addicts to overcome their addictions. So, it would be likely that under the rigors of a football season and coaching on gameday that Schiano would fall back into a lot of the patterns of behavior that caused issues in his first stint at RU. Look at it this way, going to Schiano now is kind of like Flood starting Laviano at quarterback. He's a guy you're comfortable with but seems to have a very definite ceiling. I'd rather go out and look for the coaching equivalent of a Rettig and give him a shot and see what he can do.


Some good points, but GS in the B1G has a much different ceiling than Big East GS. I never put too much stock in Rutgers needing a NJ guy, but I do now. The press and people in the region are hostile. If not GS, it needs to be someone who understands Jersey dynamics. It is very different than other places.
 
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You don't really believe that do you? And in any event if he is replaced odds are good they will find someone even cheaper with even fewer qualifications than him.
Yes I believe that. We are on track to get 2 wins. In year three the win record should be climbing or sustained, not nose diving. Flood is supposed to teach these young men about football and about being fine men in life and some of them go and rob and fight. Flood talked about Ray Rice and how what he did is wrong yet his star player goes an assaults his girl friend. Flood is told not to meddle with a player's professor but he does it anyway and uses his personal phone to cover his actions. How can he possibly survive after that? And losing to Penn State! the way they did. That game was a very important game. Flood is done it is very clear now. But lets not boo and chant and act like jerks to Flood, the record is self evident and emailing Julie or stomping our feet is not needed.
 
I'd be more than happy if Schiano came back and was given the resources to hire a capable staff. You have to believe he is a better coach today than he was when he left. The thing that alot of people forget about Schiano is that early on he never really had a quality staff. I remember one interview where he said he spent alot of time coaching the coaches so they understood how he wanted them to coach the players. None of our assistants came from the NFL or big time programs. GS was a meticulous micromanager, but looking back, he almost had to be to get this thing turned around.

With all that said, if you're going to spend that much money to get GS, then we should be looking at other candidates too. That kind of money talks and there would be more than a few quality coaches interested in coaching a B1G school, with our recruiting territory, and that kind of money.
 
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We have to start somewhere man. Flood screwed everything thing that Greg built. Honestly I would rather hire schiano than take a gamble on a MAC head coach. One thing is for sure if Greg comes back we will play with an attitude and play great d-fence something that we haven't seen around here for about three years. Oh yeah he would kill it in recruiting also
Like somewhere over the rainbow...Greg Schiano is NOT coming back ...he's not Bobby Petrino @ Louisville #1 and he'll certainly command more than 2-2.5 mil...then figure staff $$$...we as a program would need between 4-5 mil per year to do this deal...talk is cheap when you're not footing the bill...
 
We have to start somewhere man. Flood screwed everything thing that Greg built. Honestly I would rather hire schiano than take a gamble on a MAC head coach. One thing is for sure if Greg comes back we will play with an attitude and play great d-fence something that we haven't seen around here for about three years. Oh yeah he would kill it in recruiting also
9 posts ...really ?
 
We will never pay $5 million to a coach. REPEAT We will never pay $5 million to a coach. I expect $2-3 million. There is no guarantee we win 6 for $5 million unless it 's Meyer, Saban or Habaugh.

I never said $5mill for schiano. i said $5mill total for schiano as well as assistants. From that schiano would probably make $2.5-3mill. Our donors aren't going to shell out that kind of money for an unknown but they will for Schiano. That's the key.
 
Some good points, but GS in the B1G has a much different ceiling than Big East GS. I never put too much stock in Rutgers needing a NJ guy, but I do now. The press and people in the region are hostile. If not GS, it needs to be someone who understands Jersey dynamics. It is very different than other places.
I guess we can agree to disagree about Schiano's ceiling in the B1G. But I think your point about getting a Jersey guy is interesting. You may very well be right about that.
 
We don't need Schiano. We need drugs, specifically marijuana.

Any sane analysis of what happened will show that all the arrests were due to a failure to keep the players' stashes topped off. If the players had enough drugs, then the 3 players involved in the home invasions wouldn't have needed to steal drugs and the other 4 would've been too stoned to get involved in fights.

Spend the 50K we got back from Flood on pot, have some folks in the engineering school build some homemade bongs, and we should be good to go.
 
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Why Schiano? What did he do while he was HC? The 2006 season was about a young RB named R. Rice. In the end he choked against a Cincinnati team led by Mark Dantonio and and a WV team led by R. Rodriguez.

You guys can't see the forest for the trees. The faculty has been adversarial toward football decades. The NJ media (newspaper and media) lurks over you like a vulture waiting for a sick animal to die. You thought the acquisition of the medical school and joining the B10 conference was going to solve all of your football troubles without taking the time to look at balance sheets and projected future liabilities. I hope I'm wrong but you will not see a Rose Bowl for decades but weirder things have happened, heck you had two diminutive Italian Tennis players play in the women's U.S. Open final.
 
Will he get us to the elite level? Probably not. But he'll defineitely repair the damage that Flood has done, make us a solid middle of the pack Big Ten team year in and year out, and set us on the right course again.

I'm also optimistic that he'll be a much improved version of what he was due to experience at HS, College and NFL levels of football.

Read this link. It's got me pumped to get him to coach on the banks again!

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off

Let me start off by saying that all I want is for us to be consistently competitive and do things the right way off of the field i.e. no embarrassments. But when I say consistently competitive, I mean against the Wisconsin's and Ohio State's of the world too, not just bad Michigan, PSU and Indiana teams. I don't think Schiano would have us consistently competitive with the Wisconsins, Michigan States and Ohio States of the world. When WVU and Cincinnati were at elite levels (as far as Big East play goes), they outclassed Greg in every possible way imaginable. Second, even if we were ok with being a "middle of the pack Big Ten team year in and year out" we are going to be paying Greg in the neighborhood of $3M per year for those results on the field and (hopefully) squeaky clean image off of it. That's a lot of dough for seasons that will probably look a lot like last years. And sure, with the backdrop of the Big Ten behind him and a stint in the NFL, i'm sure our in-state recruiting would improve under Greg, but I still think we'd be no better than 7-5, maybe 8-4 and in some second and third tier bowl games most years. Maybe once every 6 years we have a 2006 type season. Again, $3M per year is a LOT of dough, at Rutgers, to spend for those (objectively speaking) lackluster results. We need to find our own Jerry Kill or Pat Fitzgerald because I'd trade places with Minnesota and Northwestern's programs in a heartbeat right now. Schiano built our program and put us on the map and is a major reason why we are in the Big Ten but it's time to move on. We need to think more in terms of our program being like a Northwestern or Wisconsin or Stanford than a wanna be Penn State or Ohio State. That model simply will not work for us in the climate Rutgers is in academically and in the media.
 
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Let me start off by saying that all I want is for us to be consistently competitive and do things the right way off of the field i.e. no embarrassments. But when I say consistently competitive, I mean against the Wisconsin's and Ohio State's of the world too, not just bad Michigan, PSU and Indiana teams. I don't think Schiano would have us consistently competitive with the Wisconsins, Michigan States and Ohio States of the world. When WVU and Cincinnati were at elite levels (as far as Big East play goes), they outclassed Greg in every possible way imaginable. Second, even if we were ok with being a "middle of the pack Big Ten team year in and year out" we are going to be paying Greg in the neighborhood of $3M per year for those results on the field and (hopefully) squeaky clean image off of it. That's a lot of dough for seasons that will probably look a lot like last years. And sure, with the backdrop of the Big Ten behind him and a stint in the NFL, i'm sure our in-state recruiting would improve under Greg, but I still think we'd be no better than 7-5, maybe 8-4 and in some second and third tier bowl games most years. Maybe once every 6 years we have a 2006 type season. Again, $3M per year is a LOT of dough, at Rutgers, to spend for those (objectively speaking) lackluster results. We need to find our own Jerry Kill or Pat Fitzgerald because I'd trade places with Minnesota and Northwestern's programs in a heartbeat right now. Schiano built our program and put us on the map and is a major reason why we are in the Big Ten but it's time to move on. We need to think more in terms of our program being like a Northwestern or Wisconsin or Stanford than a wanna be Penn State or Ohio State. That model simply will not work for us.
Excellent post!!!!
 
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