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BoogieKnight said:
Let me start off by saying that all I want is for us to be consistently competitive and do things the right way off of the field i.e. no embarrassments. But when I say consistently competitive, I mean against the Wisconsin's and Ohio State's of the world too, not just bad Michigan, PSU and Indiana teams. I don't think Schiano would have us consistently competitive with the Wisconsins, Michigan States and Ohio States of the world. When WVU and Cincinnati were at elite levels (as far as Big East play goes), they outclassed Greg in every possible way imaginable. Second, even if we were ok with being a "middle of the pack Big Ten team year in and year out" we are going to be paying Greg in the neighborhood of $3M per year for those results on the field and (hopefully) squeaky clean image off of it. That's a lot of dough for seasons that will probably look a lot like last years. And sure, with the backdrop of the Big Ten behind him and a stint in the NFL, i'm sure our in-state recruiting would improve under Greg, but I still think we'd be no better than 7-5, maybe 8-4 and in some second and third tier bowl games most years. Maybe once every 6 years we have a 2006 type season. Again, $3M per year is a LOT of dough, at Rutgers, to spend for those (objectively speaking) lackluster results. We need to find our own Jerry Kill or Pat Fitzgerald because I'd trade places with Minnesota and Northwestern's programs in a heartbeat right now. Schiano built our program and put us on the map and is a major reason why we are in the Big Ten but it's time to move on. We need to think more in terms of our program being like a Northwestern or Wisconsin or Stanford than a wanna be Penn State or Ohio State. That model simply will not work for us in the climate Rutgers is in academically and in the media.
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Thoughtful post.

I tend to think that we'd have to spend a huge amount of money over a fairly long number of seasons in order to build the program to the point of being considered an elite football program. And even then, if RU did everything right, it's not like it would be easily achievable.

So, if that's true, the next question is, how much money should RU spend in order to be how much more competitive while still failing to be able to beat the big boys in the Big Ten on anything resembling a regular basis? I mean, is it worth spending an additional 4 million per year to win 1-2 more games per season on average?

And another question is, if we take this year as an aberration (the arrests and Flood's stupidity w/the impermissible contact), then how much better can a brand new low-cost coaching staff do than Flood over the next few years while we wait for more money to roll in from the Big Ten? Could spending an additional 4 million per year really lead to winning 1-2 more games in conference play per season on average?

I imagine that Julie and whoever else at RU must be asking themselves those sorts of questions. And I would imagine that they're coming up with answers very different from those of the typical obsessed message-board fan.

As a fan, I'd love to see them spend 15 million per year more than we are now. But if I were them, I think I'd be patient and would gather more data on what we have before I reboot everything. I'd hate to be spending an additional 4 million over several years just to find myself in exactly the same place. Which strikes me as a real possibility.

Huh. Well that was depressing. I think I'm going to stop thinking about this.
 
Blitz8RUCrazy said:
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In regards to the bolded section about BL, why?
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Its like Archie Griffin at OSU. Griffin was a fan fav and Griffin made a career out that and helped OSU. BL is also an all-time fan fav and he really like Rutgers. He would be good to have at RU in some capacity. He could start as RB coach. Can't imagine he would be worse than all the other ham-n-eggers that have been at RU. Bet he would be good recruiter. He could also lead the band
 
ScarletKid2008 said:
Please stop with the Schianio non-sense. Please. It's so sad and he wasn't even a suburb coach and people hated working for him.
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So what you're saying is that Schiano wouldn't be the go-to guy if I wanted to learn how to not be so metropolitan in my approach to things?
 
It's amazing how some people we can be a elite program in a couple of years. We're not doing it by trying to hire a Saban, etc. They're just not coming here. Saban wouldn't even go to TEXAS for what, $8-9 million a year? Look how long it took D'Antonio to make MS a top ten program.

Any coach that would come here for the $$ we'll pay will be a shot in the dark and if he doesn't win 8 games by the third year those same people will be calling for his head. Even if he does, he'll probably be poached away by an elite program going downhill.

Think of it a little like the BB program. The only reason we got a good coach there was the hometown discount. Who were we getting for $500k otherwise? And does anyone believe we're winning a NC soon? Aren't we just looking for a solid showing for a couple of years and moving up (over time) to a good, then very good level?

Schiano would bring us the respect, the recruiting, the solid showing, the clean and academic FB team that no one willing to come here for $2 could come close to guaranteeing. And who knows what the impetus of being in the B1G could do for Schiano in recruiting and ability sign top-notch coaches (look what we have now).

Remember: He's a coach the Michigan, Miami, and Tennesee wanted. (and who knows who else was serious about him.) And HE still wanted RUTGERS. Only the NFL could lure him away. Saban was crap in the pros. Jimmy Johnson was not good in Miami with DAN MARINO.

Schiano had us in the TOP 10!! Are you detractors so sure he could never do it again? Would a 3-4 year "experiment" be such a worse option than another shot in the dark with a coach we could afford? Just think of who's coming here for the money we'd give Schiano?
 
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NotInRHouse said:
Schiano would have a top half recruiting class in the B1G and a top half finish every year and would keep the players out of the police blotter.
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Schiano recruited more than half the arrested players. Saying he would've kept those same kids from doing what they did is pure speculation. Maybe you're right. Maybe not.

I think it's likely that at least some, if not all, of those kids would've done exactly the same sort of things they did. Because it's not like Flood or his staff were not doing all the same things every NCAA program does to try to prevent such things.

What was Schiano going to do that Flood didn't do, beat the kids? Throw basketballs at their heads? Somehow scare them more than the prospect of going to prison would scare them? Put some of them in his infamous doghouse before they did what they did? Because riding the bench would've motivated them to stay clean?
 
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NotInRHouse said:
Schiano would have a top half recruiting class in the B1G and a top half finish every year and would keep the players out of the police blotter.

I would take it in a heartbeat.
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Totally agree, I believe that the Tampa Bay experience humbled him and he will come back a much better coach.

Hopeful he could bring in Jeff Hafley with him and make him DC.
 
For all the crap you give Franklin, you sure do put a lot of stock and credit into a coach who has only beaten like 1 or 2 ranked schools In a decade as coach, and only had you finish in the top 25 once I'm 10 years. Plus, barely a .500 record.

Your defense? He's a good recruiter. Which is your dig at Frankin. Strange.
 
It's interesting that some people seem to think Schiano will come back a changed man. Presumably they mean he would no longer be the world-class control-freak he was. And others seem to think bringing Schiano back would somehow be some kind of mystical guarantee of running a clean program w/no off-field drama.

Other than his being a world-class control-freak, what quality is it Schiano has that people think would ensure there were no more players that get in trouble off the field?
 
jup540 said:
For all the crap you give Franklin, you sure do put a lot of stock and credit into a coach who has only beaten like 1 or 2 ranked schools In a decade as coach, and only had you finish in the top 25 once I'm 10 years. Plus, barely a .500 record.

Your defense? He's a good recruiter. Which is your dig at Frankin. Strange.
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Schiano was a better Xs and Os coach than Franklin. Not even close.
 
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I've always felt GS would be a phenomenal CEO type coach, but he can't just run the show, he has to...., well, you know........I used to listen to the coach's weekly show, and noticed that when GS became the head coach I didn't recognize callers, wondered what happened to the regulars (Skip from Elizabeth, John from S. Brunswick, to name two). All of a sudden it was Charlie from Long Island "Hi coach, say, I really don't know this, but, when do you decide to run an end around versus pounding the ball up the middle, at the start of a game?" GS "Oh, gooooooood question Charlie, thanks for asking, blah...blah....blah"....next caller Tom from High Point NJ, "HI coach, the screen pass versus a draw, what situation would you use them?" GS "Wow, good one Tom......I thought "the show has plants, and many, to avoid hot topic calls" If I'm right, too bad.
 
mildone said:
Schiano recruited more than half the arrested players. Saying he would've kept those same kids from doing what they did is pure speculation. Maybe you're right. Maybe not.

I think it's likely that at least some, if not all, of those kids would've done exactly the same sort of things they did. Because it's not like Flood or his staff were not doing all the same things every NCAA program does to try to prevent such things.

What was Schiano going to do that Flood didn't do, beat the kids? Throw basketballs at their heads? Somehow scare them more than the prospect of going to prison would scare them? Put some of them in his infamous doghouse before they did what they did? Because riding the bench would've motivated them to stay clean?
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You can't deny GS was a far better disciplinarian than Flood. To ask what Schiano would've done different is basically asking for speculation. Alot of players wouldn't have gotten the second chances that Flood gave and the overall discipline of the team would've been at a higher level. Schiano's body of work proves that out.

The fact that Schiano recruited some of those guys is such a weak arguement...they were under Flood's influence for the last 3 years, imo that carries more weight than who recruited them
 
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Not only did the players stay in line under Schiano, he had the media toeing the line as well.
 
KJ_RU said:
You can't deny GS was a far better disciplinarian than Flood. To ask what Schiano would've done different is basically asking for speculation. Alot of players wouldn't have gotten the second chances that Flood gave and the overall discipline of the team would've been at a higher level. Schiano's body of work proves that out.

The fact that Schiano recruited some of those guys is such a weak arguement...they were under Flood's influence for the last 3 years, imo that carries more weight than who recruited them
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I know that the common wisdom has Schiano as the greater disciplinarian. But I don't know, nor do you, that his approach would've prevented what happened from happening. How could anybody know that?
 
RUBand said:
I've always felt GS would be a phenomenal CEO type coach, but he can't just run the show, he has to...., well, you know........I used to listen to the coach's weekly show, and noticed that when GS became the head coach I didn't recognize callers, wondered what happened to the regulars (Skip from Elizabeth, John from S. Brunswick, to name two). All of a sudden it was Charlie from Long Island "Hi coach, say, I really don't know this, but, when do you decide to run an end around versus pounding the ball up the middle, at the start of a game?" GS "Oh, gooooooood question Charlie, thanks for asking, blah...blah....blah"....next caller Tom from High Point NJ, "HI coach, the screen pass versus a draw, what situation would you use them?" GS "Wow, good one Tom......I thought "the show has plants, and many, to avoid hot topic calls" If I'm right, too bad.
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That's kinda what Napoleon Bonaparte did while emperor. Controlling the media controls public perception of you and the program. BTW not saying Schiano did that but it's a good tactic to create legends and public fervor around yourself. It's likely one reason Joe Paterno chose to coverup Sandusky's pedophilia.
 
NewJerseyGuy said:
Does that apply to your talk, as well, Bob, or are you "footing the bill" for the next coach all on your own?
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NEWJERSEYGUY : Let's see how much of an idiot you are ... 4 seats with season tickets for 22 years ...2 seats season tickets for 16 seasons... I have donated anywhere from $500 - $1000 for 22 of those years...so you do the math...multi sports Football and Basketball...so yes, the reality is simple... since the majority of our alumni DON'T donate I 'd say yes I have helped fund Rutgers sports...guarantee you're nowhere close...It's clowns like you that think Schiano is the man...Bring him back as the DC and maybe I would think it's ok...
 
RUBOB72 said:
NEWJERSEYGUY : Let's see how much of an idiot you are ... 4 seats with season tickets for 22 years ...2 seats season tickets for 16 seasons... I have donated anywhere from $500 - $1000 for 22 of those years...so you do the math...multi sports Football and Basketball...so yes, the reality is simple... since the majority of our alumni DON'T donate I 'd say yes I have helped fund Rutgers sports...guarantee you're nowhere close...It's clowns like you that think Schiano is the man...Bring him back as the DC and maybe I would think it's ok...
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Well, it is settled then . . . You are a very generous man, and I am a clown and an idiot. Well done.
 
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Well you asked me NEWJERSEYGUY... we all want the best for Rutgers both academically and athletically...It's not about how much $$$$ someone gives and that wasn't anywhere near my point ... we have many things in our lives which dictate the giving amounts each year... I am a small donor in comparison to others who give much , much more ...however , we can do better than Greg Schiano as our coach... neither you nor I will make that decision someday in the future who the new guy will be...
 
Pritz99 said:
It's amazing how some people we can be a elite program in a couple of years. We're not doing it by trying to hire a Saban, etc. They're just not coming here. Saban wouldn't even go to TEXAS for what, $8-9 million a year? Look how long it took D'Antonio to make MS a top ten program.

Any coach that would come here for the $$ we'll pay will be a shot in the dark and if he doesn't win 8 games by the third year those same people will be calling for his head. Even if he does, he'll probably be poached away by an elite program going downhill.

Think of it a little like the BB program. The only reason we got a good coach there was the hometown discount. Who were we getting for $500k otherwise? And does anyone believe we're winning a NC soon? Aren't we just looking for a solid showing for a couple of years and moving up (over time) to a good, then very good level?

Schiano would bring us the respect, the recruiting, the solid showing, the clean and academic FB team that no one willing to come here for $2 could come close to guaranteeing. And who knows what the impetus of being in the B1G could do for Schiano in recruiting and ability sign top-notch coaches (look what we have now).

Remember: He's a coach the Michigan, Miami, and Tennesee wanted. (and who knows who else was serious about him.) And HE still wanted RUTGERS. Only the NFL could lure him away. Saban was crap in the pros. Jimmy Johnson was not good in Miami with DAN MARINO.

Schiano had us in the TOP 10!! Are you detractors so sure he could never do it again? Would a 3-4 year "experiment" be such a worse option than another shot in the dark with a coach we could afford? Just think of who's coming here for the money we'd give Schiano?
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I have no problem with Schiano, per se, but thinking Rutgers best chance for future success resides in its past is a frankly uncreative, paranoid and narrow-minded outlook.

Besides, we've got a pretty good head coach right now, and he still has a job.
 
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Schiano's players will be graduating this year. We need more of them. Time to bring him back. When you haters can name one coach with his recruiting ability, and his experience (yes that includes NFL) that would come to Rutgers I'll listen. We couldn't even get the coach from FIU last time. I don't give a damn if he's hard to work for, if players or scouts don't like him, or if he doesn't know crap about offense. 2011 was the high point for this program. We were pulling in top notch recruits, and Schiano finally felt comfortable enough to let someone else handle the offense (Cignetti). There was no ceiling reached then, and even the next year with Flood and that joke of an offensive coordinator Dave Brock, we still went 9-4 based on the strength of Schiano's recruits alone. Look at what has happened since. Our recruiting has gone into the toilet. With Fridge retiring we have no one who can run an offense. And now our reputation as a program that doesn't recruit thugs and miscreants has been forever tarnished. Yes it's time to take two steps back to 2011 and pick up where we left off.
 
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RUsojo said:
Rutgers cannot attract a better candidate than Schiano. The sooner the Schiano detractors understand this the better. Let's hope Greg wants to come back.
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Why? Please give reasons to support your silly statement that we can't hire somrone better than a mediocre college coach or complete bust nfl coach?
 
You hire schiano because you have nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain.
What's the worst that could happen? We have some tough years with Greg and it doesn't work out? We're going to be playing football for the next 50+years so who cares...? It's totally worth any associated risks.
 
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mildone said:
I know that the common wisdom has Schiano as the greater disciplinarian. But I don't know, nor do you, that his approach would've prevented what happened from happening. How could anybody know that?
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Schiano kept Kenny Britt off the police blotter, enough said.
 
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KJ_RU said:
You can't deny GS was a far better disciplinarian than Flood. To ask what Schiano would've done different is basically asking for speculation. Alot of players wouldn't have gotten the second chances that Flood gave and the overall discipline of the team would've been at a higher level. Schiano's body of work proves that out.

The fact that Schiano recruited some of those guys is such a weak arguement...they were under Flood's influence for the last 3 years, imo that carries more weight than who recruited them
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Under Schiano, the players were monitored and kept on a very tight leash. Flood changed all of that, and he loosened the reins. One notable example is that they were required to sit in the front row of every academic class under Schiano, but this was rescinded by Flood.
 
"Besides, we've got a pretty good head coach right now, and he still has a job".

With all due respect, I think that sentence would be more accurate if it read:

"Besides, we've got a head coach, and he still has a pretty good job...right now".
 
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RUsojo said:
Rutgers cannot attract a better candidate than Schiano. The sooner the Schiano detractors understand this the better. Let's hope Greg wants to come back.
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You are making a big assumption that he would even want to come back here.
 
RUBOB72 said:
Well you asked me NEWJERSEYGUY... we all want the best for Rutgers both academically and athletically...It's not about how much $$$$ someone gives and that wasn't anywhere near my point ... we have many things in our lives which dictate the giving amounts each year... I am a small donor in comparison to others who give much , much more ...however , we can do better than Greg Schiano as our coach... neither you nor I will make that decision someday in the future who the new guy will be...
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Here's the thing Bob, I don't care if you donate 10 million to keep flood here; that has no bearing on whether I have and post my opinion that Greg Schiano is what this program needs right now. This is a free message board, generally open to the posting of opinions re Rutgers football. The size of your donation is irrelevant to my opinion or privilege to post my opinion here.

i didn't ask you how much you donate but you sure seemed itching to let everyone know the figures. Glad I could help.
 
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I think he would come back. Time is ticking for him and he needs another coaching job on his resume to stay relevant. To keep the job till 2021, he would just need to consistently get 7-9 wins each year and keep a clean image off the field. That's it. He won't be getting a P5 job with this much leeway at any other school imo.

Plus he built this program up, i'm sure he'd like to see it through to the next level. As far as the program goes, we need little else until our full share of the big ten revenue comes in, in 2021. We need a guy that can give us an identity and manage the program well for the next 5-6yrs. Schiano would be a great fit for this. After the next 5-6yrs we can start looking for that every elusive elite tier coach once we have the cache built up again as a solid program with solid facilities and support.

I also don't understand those that think he wouldn't work for Julie Hermann. Why exactly not? Because she's a woman? She's a good administrator, a good fundraiser, comes from a good athletic admin background and has the best interests of all our athletic programs at heart. I seriously don't get the negatives from Julie other than the bad PR during the first year of her hiring. From that point on she seems to be doing a good job despite some machinations, in the athletic department, to bring her down out off pure spite.
 
Well that tells you everything about Franklin as an OC. Kansas St had a terrible offense that game. We totally shut them down and Josh Freemen was running for his life.
 
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