Well, there goes another one
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Yay. Another genius joins the crowd offering us retardation by message board.
Lemme ask you a question - do you believe that Flood is formally evaluated by any metric linked to the average star rating of his recruiting classes?
No. He will be evaluated by his wins and losses going forward. Given his track record and his inability to show much prowess on the recruiting trail the past couple years, I expect that it will be tough sledding going forward. Maybe one of the last two bowls this year and a sub .500 record in conference with the last of the experienced corp still here. But of course, that is pretty successful to guys like you.
How much did Vanderbilt pay Franklin? How much did it take to get Dan Mullen at Mississippi State????
You keep waving your brain damage around like it's some kind of battle flag.
Trust me, it's not.
Your answer regarding Flood's performance evaluation is correct. Your little editorial dig at the end just makes you a confirmed idiot. Once more, you'll need to be reminded that two of us on this thread were, just two years ago, holding a sizable amount of donor money earmarked for - and contingent upon - Flood's potential replacement.
He'll either win, or he won't. If he doesn't, then he gets replaced - certainly no thanks to people like you. It's much more substance than myth among this group that the people who whine the most donate the least.
It's great that we have you two big donors on this board to let everyone know how to think. It's nice that your early retirement affords you the ease of life that allows for 25K posts on the board. You must be an 8 figure guy, as we know that's the type of donor that makes an impact on a P5 program.
Franklin made close to 3 million. Who is the person with no head coaching experience the school should be willing to throw 1.5 million or more at. Many on this board wanted to offer that to Narduzzi. How is he lighting up the recruiting trail?
You are quoting what Franklin made after he got an extension following his 2nd year there.
Keep 'em coming. That's 3 in a row that a reeeeeeal hummmdingers!!!! You've got half the board on their knees in awe and the other half on their ass laughing!
Well correct me with facts and tell us who you want. Or does your plan stop at firing or coach.
Mullen got $1.3 million when he signed on with Mississippi in 2009 that eventually went up to $3.0 million.
Franklin got $2.9 million from Vandy in 2013,
Franklin made $1.5 million in base salary his first year at Vanderbilt (2011, ended up taking in 1.8 with retirement and bonus'). There are at least 20 coaches out there that could be hired and be successful at RU - probably more. If you don't believe me, rewind the past 10 years and check all the successful coaches who have emerged.
That was Franklin's 2nd contract - they tore up his first after 2 years. Perhaps RU is unwilling to hire a coach who will be successful enough to warrant more money that early in his contract. Hmmmm.......
I can agree that Franklin's a better recruiter.
I don't think he's necessarily a better coach than Flood. (Lots of PSU fans question his use of Hackenberg and even suggest that he has regressed -- perhaps a product of an over-reliance on bubble-screens and quick-hitters?)
One could actually make a very strong argument that Flood is the better value, comparing price tags.
Obviously that could change with the results on the field this year (maybe Franklin's recruits pan out).
But going purely on W/L results so far, neither is head and shoulders over the other.
I don't think he's necessarily a better coach than Flood. (Lots of PSU fans question his use of Hackenberg and even suggest that he has regressed -- perhaps a product of an over-reliance on bubble-screens and quick-hitters?)
One could actually make a very strong argument that Flood is the better value, comparing price tags.
Obviously that could change with the results on the field this year (maybe Franklin's recruits pan out).
But going purely on W/L results so far, neither is head and shoulders over the other.
Sorry, I can't disclose them because it would be a conflict of interest as I am the AD of a P5 school.
Sure bets????? Who are you???? And who do you think I am - Carnac???????
Well now you've gone and completely removed any remaining doubt regarding your idiocy.
True. But for every Charlie Strong or Art Briles, there are 3 Narduzzis, 2 Addazios, 4 Randy Edsalls, 5 Al Goldens, 7 Bob Diacos and a supersized Charlie Weis.
Well you say there are success stories but as indicated by your generous use of punctuation you must realize that for every success story there are multiple failures. Do you just want to roll the dice every year until you get the right guy or do you have possible coaches who would both have high probability and select our offer? Give names or STFU
Yes - although every year is obviously hyperbole. But, yes, that's what top teams do. They hire until they get it right.
But I really don't think Flood should be fired, yet. I just know he can't recruit. And he's no Chip Kelly, although he is more than adequate on the sidelines and as the CEO of the program. But more than adequate + can't recruit is going to end up bad.
Again...
Narduzzi, Addazio, Edsall, Golden, Diaco, and Weis. [Edit]: Add Mario Cristobal to the list... :eek:
All names that many of us have wanted and would have probably cost more than Flood. Can anyone here say with confidence that we would have done significantly better with one of the above at the controls?
I say significantly because they would have cost significantly more.
Narduzzi, Addazio, Edsall, Golden, Diaco, and Weis. [Edit]: Add Mario Cristobal to the list... :eek:
All names that many of us have wanted and would have probably cost more than Flood. Can anyone here say with confidence that we would have done significantly better with one of the above at the controls?
I say significantly because they would have cost significantly more.
Don't know what happened to Barkley..don't know him. I do know not a whole lot of Pa kids grew up rooting for Rutgers and didn't have any interest in PSU. As for zip codes, how is that an excuse? You are going to judge the class my distance rather than rating? What RB in NJ(other than Walker) would you want over Sneed? What LB over Pollack?
Yea, that's what top teams do. I'm still going to need you to define top teams for me because every year we read about schools who can't afford to fire their coach.
I'd venture that not a whole lot of NJ kids grow up rooting for Nebraska and don't have any interest in Rutgers, either.
Back to recruiting. Sneed and Pollack are not bad gets, not sure why you are making it out like I'm saying they are. They are also probably not the kind of kids that tOSU, Michigan, PSU or ND are grabbing on their first go round either, so let's not make it out like Flood killed it with them.
The problem specifically with you is you are always on here posting some type of positive gobbledigook - which would be ok on the surface - but it hardly ever turns out to come to fruition. You've been spouting it for two years and it's always around the next corner in terms of recruiting. And the spin is ever morphing so that - yeah, it's right around the next corner.
Dream Team 16 has morphed into "going to judge the class and not the zip codes
2016 QB has morphed from any one of the top guys, to Guarantano, to hey "we're going to end up with the better guy in Haskins." On Friday it will turn into "this isn't over until February." Then by February, whichever QB is signed to a LOI, will be a steal and will have turned down a late push by a big time recruiting school. And so on and so on and so on.
Honestly, I probably wouldn't be so down on Flood's recruiting if it wasn't for you, lol...
By which you're essentially admitting that your only reason for posting in this thread is to be an asshole.
It's amazing that you don't have any clue how stupid you seem.
No. It's not. Who are you, Alanis Morissette?
You should probably just give up and maybe lie down, before you hurt yourself.
If I were Alanis Morissette, would I be able to donate as much money as you??????
Just getting them all organized for safe keeping. You know I'm kinda slooooooowwwwwwww.
IMO: We can win with the level of talent that we get. How?
On offense, install Noel Mazzone's spread offense. It's actually available online here. Those of us who were at the Kent State game should be familiar with it. You don't need an overpowering OL to be successful -- just a few one-cut RBs, a pass-catching TE, a diverse WR corps, and a game-manager at QB (not necessarily a runner). This exactly matches the profile of a typical Rutgers recruiting class.
On defense, run Narduzzi's cover-4. It's not overly complicated. In fact, it's shockingly simple. On the plus side, you can get away with undersized (but speedy -- ie: Kemoko Turay) DEs. Here's an overview. Here's another. The reason not everyone runs this kind of defense is because you MUST have NFL-caliber DBs to run it. Guess what? We're good at attracting/developing NFL-caliber DBs.
On offense, install Noel Mazzone's spread offense. It's actually available online here. Those of us who were at the Kent State game should be familiar with it. You don't need an overpowering OL to be successful -- just a few one-cut RBs, a pass-catching TE, a diverse WR corps, and a game-manager at QB (not necessarily a runner). This exactly matches the profile of a typical Rutgers recruiting class.
On defense, run Narduzzi's cover-4. It's not overly complicated. In fact, it's shockingly simple. On the plus side, you can get away with undersized (but speedy -- ie: Kemoko Turay) DEs. Here's an overview. Here's another. The reason not everyone runs this kind of defense is because you MUST have NFL-caliber DBs to run it. Guess what? We're good at attracting/developing NFL-caliber DBs.
