Whacked in throat
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These are the same refs who called a shooting foul late when Thornton was not in the act of shooting? Also, was questionable if a foul even occurred on the play, but he certainly was not shooting, he was dribbling and driving, but not in the act of shooting. Trust those refs…………okay
Bardo’s actual comments: “Well his elbow got high. You wanna hit someone in the chest when you’re trying to keep him out of the paint. And his arm just got up too high that time. Hit Cliff right in the windpipe.”
Cliff didn’t exit the game until about a minute and a half later, when his breathing got heavier after running up and down the floor a few times. Or are you suggesting he was still trying to sell the call a minute and a half later?
Welcome to the club! What took you so long?
And don’t forget Fernandes also got whacked in the throat earlier in the game
For those of you who haven’t seen it. In every other sport, you HAVE to be in control of your body. In hockey for example, if your stick gets too high and you accidentally high stick a player in the face it’s a two minute penalty. This type of play needs to exit the game. There’s no reason to be “boxing out” this high. This is a very dangerous play. Intentional or not, you have no reason to be hitting someone in the throat
And I repeat, you sit on you fvckng fat ass and continually make up BS conspiracies to denigrate Rutgers teams, players, coaches and posters here constantly.....always returning.
Now a conspiracy about Cliff faking injury? How's your nonsensical conspiracy about Schiano not bringing in AK going?
Should be like hockey. You gotta control your stick. You should have to control your arms. Hit someone in the head should be a foul.
You do have to control your body. Contact above the shoulders generally is/should be reviewed. A flagrant does not have to be intentional.....it has to be excessive, reckless or unnessesary. It coukd definitely be debated that Key's arm/elbows were carried too high.
Watching the replay the defender was looking at Cliff as he extended his arm high. Absolutely should have been a flagrant foul.
That’s not a conspiracy. A conspiracy is the multiple refs agreeing to ignore a flagrant foul they had the opportunity to review. Learn the game and learn what conspiracy means.
He was beginning to box out. Listen to Bardo and take your homer hats off for once. That’s how you do it. Plant your arm to the guys chest to create space and ward off the rebounder, then turn and look for the ball. Was his forearm too high ? Probably. But that is not enough to make it flagrant. Neither was the force behind it.
You simply do not know more about basketball than multiple professional refs and the announcers who reviewed it.
Get over yourselves.
Disagree! If refs let things like this go it encourages this behavior to be repeated. The player knew what he was doing!
You two clueless ones sit this one out and learn the rules . A direct blow to the head or neck area is an automatic flagrant one. Go crawl back to your hole and while there read a book. “ Basketball for dummies “.
It's definitely a borderline call that (in this instance) all RU fans would want called and all OSU fans would say it's a play on.
But gimmie a break saying it's minor contact or that Cliff is faking here. Have you ever taken a shot to the windpipe? Me and my buddies use to screw around and tap guys in the neck when they weren't looking and a finger basically makes you grab your neck before you get your breath back. An elbow from a huge dude that hit you in the neck would be absolutely brutal.
Nothing worse than a guy doing nothing telling someone who is doing everything to toughen up and hey it's just basketball. Cliff bangs every game out there for his team and is a physical player. He's tougher than damn near everyone here.
But gimmie a break saying it's minor contact or that Cliff is faking here. Have you ever taken a shot to the windpipe? Me and my buddies use to screw around and tap guys in the neck when they weren't looking and a finger basically makes you grab your neck before you get your breath back. An elbow from a huge dude that hit you in the neck would be absolutely brutal.
Nothing worse than a guy doing nothing telling someone who is doing everything to toughen up and hey it's just basketball. Cliff bangs every game out there for his team and is a physical player. He's tougher than damn near everyone here.
It looked like a basketball play. The OSU player was trying to box out.and was reaching for Cliff’s chest. I didn’t see any intent to injure. It could’ve been a flagrant one at worst but that’s within the discretion of the refs. Perhaps it should’ve been reviewed.
Should have been thrown out of game.
Should actually be suspended for that crap.
Replay shows clear intent to lead with his elbow, has to be at least a common foul, even if you want to give Key the benefit of the doubt he "accidentally" hit Cliff in the throat. I bet if Woolfolk did that to a tOSU player last night it's called a flagrant. In fact, I'd turn Woolfolk loose on Key when we play the rematch at the RAC 3/10.
Blow
we know where exactly he got hit ? Or are we believing Bardo’s explanation, the same guy who also said Cliff had a high ankle sprain in the game. Amazing recovery from a serious injury. Bardo knows basketball, not medicine.
You guys are entitled to your opinions but mine is that Cliff is a diva. Too many in-game ‘injuries’ to just be unlucky.
Believe what you want.
it was borderline and could have been called either way after the review. even though he looked back to look for guy to box, he didn't "lunge" at him with an elbow to the throat. was arm too high, coming from a player who knows exactly what he's doing? yeah , it was. but it was not an egregious motion/action. only getting called intentional 50% of the time, imo especially at home. if was Draymond would have been called though lol.
not denying they blew the Thornton call. they didn’t call the clear push off on Noah’s made jumper either. Mag shuffled his feet twice, good call. Refs make mistakes. In this case, it was reviewed and multiple refs agreed it was not flagrant. They are professionals and are not going to ignore that. There is no bias.
Correct, in hockey you’re responsible for your stick and here you’re responsible for your hands, elbows, arms making contact above the shoulders. Same concept. Should have been called last night.
Huh? He led with his elbow and didn't even try to establish his feet or body for a box-out.
i'm not saying it shouldn't have been a no call...just saying that play is not going to be called intentional 95/100, 90/100, or whatever high percentage somebody thinks it might be. he didn't lunge with elbow, arm was straightening out you can see from the under basket angle. i am just saying it wasn't a WWF move that would warrant auto flagrant. my first reaction live after first replay was , "not going to be called". definitely borderline though from guy with some incidents. if nobody hammers him next game we are pussies.
he didn't lead with anything. he extended his arm out to begin boxing out and Cliff ran into it. no box out ensued because the shot went in.
Let's say it was a much taller player who extends his arms downward to create space and box out just like Key did, but accidentally contacts a smaller player in the neck. Is this a flagrant foul ? Of course not. Bodies in motion at game speed. Also incidental contact. It's proper rebounding.
best take (imho). Arms extended up into head area. Aggressive play and contact. Don't think he was trying to him Cliff in the throat.
Key's elbow to Cliff's throat was avoidable. Flagrant 1 should have been called. If it's not, hope Woolfolk practices that "block-out" technique for Key in R next game with osu at the RAC.
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Flagrant foul
A flagrant 1 foul is two shots and the ball and that means excessive in nature or unnecessary or avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play.A flagrant 2 foul is two shots and the ball and the player is ejected from the game. The rules committee added more words to describe this scenario, including brutal, harsh or cruel or dangerous or punishing.
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Refs do make mistakes, that’s why instant replay has been incorporated into sports. HOWEVER, just like we see instances with the NFL, the refs still can manage to get it wrong. That’s why this was so egregious and makes it worse. They went over, reviewed it, saw the contact above the shoulders to the neck AND STILL GOT IT WRONG! Players are not taught at any level to make a basketball play of boxing out by making contact above the shoulders. You use your body or you put a hand, elbow, forearm into the CHEST of the opponent to locate the player and then body him up…..no one is taught to deliver a forearm to the neck……contact above the shoulders, not a basketball play and they got it wrong. It was a flagrant 1, add it to the list of calls they got wrong last night……that was the worst one though because they had the benefit of instant replay AND STILL BOTCHED IT.
no, no one is taught to "deliver a forearm to the neck." but they are taught to extend, and in this case Cliff ran into it.
but is it a basketball play if a taller guy contacts a much smaller guy above the shoulders with hand/forearm/elbow to locate and create space ? Intent matters.
See the problem ?
Pretty simple. Key intentionally put his elbow up to box out Cliff, and unintentionally nailed him in the throat. The result is the same — Cliff got his windpipe whacked. Should be a flagrant 1 or at least a common foul.
Stop deflecting, not the circumstances here. Plus, I would say in your example, it would depend on whether it was excessive in nature or unneccessary or avoidable……intent does not enter the picture. I can have the greatest of INTENT, but I am responsible for my forearm/elbow if I deliver an elbow to the neck of my opponent. What we saw last night was clearly NOT REQUIRED BY THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PLAY……contact with Cliff’s chest was required, not his neck. I can intend to hit a guy’s chest but if I miss and hit the neck then that’s on me. You make it sound as if Cliff did the limbo, contorted his body, brought his neck down, then did an acting job to make it look like a foul??? Really?!?!?!? You saw the same thing we did, Z Key is responsible for making contact above the shoulders that is not required by the circumstances of the play.
Flagrant foul
A flagrant 1 foul is two shots and the ball and that means excessive in nature or unnecessary or avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play.
agree to disagree. i see it as a normal boxing out movement and incidental contact. i don't see any conspiracy or a blown call.
i didn't see it, but using your logic i assume you also believe Noah's neck contact must also have warranted a flagrant call because "you have to control your own body" and it couldn't possibly "have been required by the circumstances" ?
That logic falls flat. Contact happens incidentally, even above the shoulders.
Thank you!!! He should have been tossed. I don’t think he was actively trying to disable Cliff but that was without a doubt an intentional dirty play. If this was a college football it would have been targeting and he would have been justifiably thrown out of the game. Kinda play that Pope of SHU would use.
Agree to disagree, there is no conspiracy, no grand scheme, they just got it wrong…..like I said, this is way worse and stands out more than all the other typical missed calls that took place because THEY HAD THE BENEFIT OF REPLAY AND STILL GOT IT WRONG. I just watched it again and Key delivered an elbow that was too high…….Cliff ran into it…….lol
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