What’s next for Rutgers basketball after Cam Spencer’s stunning transfer?

[NickRU714]

And that has value.

So he should have stayed at Loyola?
He was a conference POY there.

Much more "legacy" at his local school and subsequent "value".

 

[Shelby65]

In sports it does. It's why people in NY treat Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, etc like gods, while they simultaneously shrug their shoulders at Rickey Henderson, Dave Winfield and say, "they were pretty good." Players who spend their entire careers with one team always have heightened legacies.

Value to who ? I disagree. Why should Cam care whether staying 1 more year matters to his legacy (1v2). What entire career are we talking about ? He shouldn’t and It wouldn’t

The Yankees you cite made tens of millions of dollars over long professional careers and being your favorite Yankees means nothing to them. They are pros and got paid. That’s what mattered to them.

Cam is looking to get paid too.

 

[MiloTalon13]

In sports it does. It's why people in NY treat Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, etc like gods, while they simultaneously shrug their shoulders at Rickey Henderson, Dave Winfield and say, "they were pretty good." Players who spend their entire careers with one team always have heightened legacies.

Rivera could have played for 5 teams, he'd still be a god. He's not in the conversation with those other two.
As a Sox fan, we'll always have 2004 and the biggest choke of all time by Mariano and the Yanks.

What baseball fan shrugs and says "Ricky Henderson, first ballot hall of famer? he was pretty good"?
Top 5 left fielder of all time.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Rivera could have played for 5 teams, he'd still be a god. He's not in the conversation with those other two.
As a Sox fan, we'll always have 2004 and the biggest choke of all time by Mariano and the Yanks.

What baseball fan shrugs and says "Ricky Henderson, first ballot hall of famer? he was pretty good"?
Top 5 left fielder of all time.

He's my all-time favorite player. But he doesn't have the loyal fandom that Mattingly does. For whatever reason, fanbases develop unbreakable attachments to players that stay with a team their entire career. It's why Wayne Chrebet is viewed far more favorably than Keyshawn Johnson among Jets fans.

 

[MiloTalon13]

He's my all-time favorite player. But he doesn't have the loyal fandom that Mattingly does. For whatever reason, fanbases develop unbreakable attachments to players that stay with a team their entire career. It's why Wayne Chrebet is viewed far more favorably than Keyshawn Johnson among Jets fans.

Ah yes - People in NY, I forgot you're talking about Yankee (or Jets) fans. 😃
I kid, I agree, that's pretty much every fan base - loyalty is taken personally by many

 

[pmvon]

So he should have stayed at Loyola?
He was a conference POY there.

Much more "legacy" at his local school and subsequent "value".

Obviously we should apply some logic. No it would matter at Loyola all that much. But if he’s making an equivalent change in school for an equivalent amount I d money, then yes it’s matters.

 

[Shelby65]

this isn’t about a 15 year pro career. Easy for people to whine about his legacy after 1 year instead of 2 when he’s got more much important fish to fry.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

this isn’t about a 15 year pro career. Easy for people to whine about his legacy after 1 year instead of 2 when he’s got more much important fish to fry.

Fine for you to feel this way but I bet Pike doesn’t. Kid just represented us at an Rfund event and spit in our face. Should’ve backed out of attending that. Didn’t.

He burned a networking bridge that couldve helped him land future jobs that pay more than what he’s likely getting next year. Maybe his new school helps with that too but it’s not a given at all. Definite risk for him in the long term.

 

[Shelby65]

Fine for you to feel this way but I bet Pike doesn’t. Kid just represented us at an Rfund event and spit in our face. Should’ve backed out of attending that. Didn’t.

He burned a networking bridge that couldve helped him land future jobs that pay more than what he’s likely getting next year. Maybe his new school helps with that too but it’s not a given at all. Definite risk for him in the long term.

Am sure he considered all that. As the saying goes, “never judge a man until you’ve walked in his shoes”. Cam made a decision he feels is best.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Am sure he considered all that. As the saying goes, “never judge a man until you’ve walked in his shoes”. Cam made a decision he feels is best.

Actually, I doubt he put that much consideration into it. He thinks he’ll be an impact player at his next stop and have plenty of post play networking opportunities there just the same. It might be true. But then again, injuries happen. Situations change. If the team he plays for isn’t good the surrounding attitude might just be apathy even if he scores 16 ppg.

He already built great relationships at Rutgers and now he’s burned them down. There’s no question about that.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

If he gets a Masters degree from Georgetown and a bag of money what mistake did he make? Georgetown while insignificant in Basketball is a hell of a college and extremely hard to get into. Kid did what is best for him financially and academically.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

My point is that there are benefits to staying somewhere for more than one year. Yes he will get a Georgetown degree but he also should get an RU degree. No one will identify with him from Georgetown though outside of Normal alumni networks. If you stay somewhere for a while you build a bigger reputation which I believe pays dividends down the road. Mike Teel is a good example. Works in HNW and reaches out to alumni. I wouldn’t even take the call if it wasn’t Mike Teel. One year guy, no way.

He did get a Rutgers degree. That is what allowed him to transfer after the portal closed.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

From what I understand we could have matched. While I agree it’s a personal choice, I thinks is a mistake objectively for mainly the reason I’m citing. I don’t think 20 year old kids put this in their calculator. Hard to quantify for sure and also irrelevant for elite kids.

Matched what? The bidding is still going on and multiple high major schools are involved. Lots of teams need a starting SG and are desperate. Sucks for us, but it is what it is.

 

[pmvon]

Matched what? The bidding is still going on and multiple high major schools are involved. Lots of teams need a starting SG and are desperate. Sucks for us, but it is what it is.

For what others said is that it was 90k.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

For what others said is that it was 90k.

There are multiple high major teams now talking to him, and there good reason to believe the number could get higher than $250k. A lot of top teams still need to add a SG, not much quality left in the portal, and so he has moved to the top of the board for teams like UConn, Creighton, Miami, Indiana, and Michigan.

 

[pmvon]

There are multiple high major teams now talking to him, and there good reason to believe the number could get higher than $250k. A lot of top teams still need to add a SG, not much quality left in the portal, and so he has moved to the top of the board for teams like UConn, Creighton, Miami, Indiana, and Michigan.

Insane

 

[JavaDunk18]

Losing Cam does not make us an NIT team. Stop..
Losing Mag might have. Look at last year(even though NCAA committee did screw us).
Much rather have Cam leave & Mag stay.
As in my previous post, we will still
have a better team this year than last year

 

[Shelby65]

Losing Cam does not make us an NIT team. Stop..
Losing Mag might have. Look at last year(even though NCAA committee did screw us).
Much rather have Cam leave & Mag stay.
As in my previous post, we will still
have a better team this year than last year

Disagree. Cam was our best player, only decent 3 pt shooter and the big shot go-to guy and will still have mulcahy getting big minutes which isn’t a good thing. Plus, McConnell was a vg defender. Last year’s team was better for sure. Griffiths is an untested question mark despite the fanfare.

 

[Yeah Baby]

Not so sure. Key returning contributors are a year older so that’s a plus. However, Hyatt, Paul, and Cliff have not improved much in the last two years, so I expect more of the same…which is fine.

We essentially replaced Cam and Caleb with Noah and Gavin. Difficult to tell but I’d guess a slight net negative here…especially early in the season and defensively, and defense has been the core of the team. However, if Gavin is all that is expected, by season’s end it could be a different story. Yes, he’s a 4/5 star. He’s also a freshman.

We did absolutely nothing to replace Mag and even if we get Mag back at 85-90%, it won’t be until later in the season. Woolfolk should be better but we don’t even have a Reiber to back them up if necessary. 3rd year in a row we have failed picking up a legit backup big. Cliff often picked up two fouls in the first half and Wolf fouls repeatedly. Big negative.

You must be really thirsty.

 

[JavaDunk18]

Say it was Cam, & not Mag who got hurt in the MSU game last year. Do not think we lose 6 of 8,. We make the NCAA comfortably.
Cam had a good half vs Wisconsin, but was still part of a lackluster offense during that stretch.
The Big 10 figured him out after some early success.

 

[Scarlet Blind]

344 CCSU FG 6-8, 3pt 4-6, 18pts
340 CoppinSt 6-11, 3pt 5-7, 17pts
338 Columbia 7-13, 3pt 3-5, 17pts
335 Sacred Heart 6-10, 3pt 3-6, 18pts
300s Total FG 25-42, 3pt 15-24, 17.5 pts

289 Bucknell 3-8, 3pt 1-5, 9pts(came from Patriot)
222 Rider FG 7-12, 3pt 4-7, 19pts
207 Minnesota 5-6, 3pt 3-3, 17pts
207 @ Minn FG 7-12, 3pt 2-2, 21pts
200s total FG 22-38, 3pt 10-17, 16.5 pts

120 UMass Lowell 3-9, 3pt 1-3, 15pts
105 Temple FG 5-12, 3pt 0-5, 17pts
100s total FG 8-21, 3pt 1-8, 16.0 pts

94 Nebraska 3-11, 3pt 2-6, 8pts
87 Hofstra FG 8-16, 3pt 6-11, 22pts
85 Wake Forest 5-5, 3pt 2-2, 15pts
59 @ Wisconsin 7-14, 3pt 6-10, 22pts
58 Seton Hall 2-7, 3pt 0-4, 4pts (71/5)
100-51 Total FG 25-53, 3pt 16-33, 14.2 pts

50 @ Illinois 1-5, 3pt 0-1, 2pts
45 @ Ohio St 5-8, 3pt 1-2, 11pts
*45 vs Ohio St 5-13, 3pt 2-6, 21pts*
*44 Vs Michigan 5-12, 3pt 1-3, 11pts*
44 N Michigan 6-11, 3pt 2-6, 18pts
*41 vs Iowa FG 4-10, 3pt 3-6, 11pts*
41 @ Iowa FG 4-10, 3pt 0-3, 10pts
*36 vs Penn St FG 1-7, 3pt 0-3, 3pts*
36 @ Penn St FG 5-11, 3pt 1-2, 13pts
*35 vs Indiana FG 1-5, 3pt 1-3, 3pts*
35 @ Indiana FG 5-11, 3pt 2-5, 14pts
32 @ Northwestern FG 7-14, 3pt 6-7, 23pts
*32 vs Northwestern 2-5, 3pt 1-3, 9pts*
*31 vs Maryland FG 3-10, 3pt 3-6, 13pts* (162/14g)
50-31 Total FG 54-132, 3pt 23-56, 11.6 pts

7 games RAC- 21-62 33.9%, 3pt 11-30 36.7%, 2pt 10-32 31.2% 71pts
7 games Road- 33-70 47.1%, 3pt 12-26 46.1%, 2pt 21-44 47.7% 91pts

27 @ Miami FG 1-10, 3pt 1-5, 3pts
25 @ Mich St FG 3-14, 3pt 1-8, 8pts
25 MSG Mich St 1-8, 3pt 0-5, 7pts
7 @ Purdue FG 6-8, 3pt 2-4, 14pts
7 N Purdue FG 5-13, 3pt 2-5, 13pts (45/5g)
30-1 Total FG 16-53 30.2%, 3pt 6-27 22.2%, 9.0 pts

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The bottom line is the college basketball landscape has shifted even faster than I thought would happen.

The State of the Rutgers Basketball program is in complete flux.

2023-24 is completely dependent on Cliff coming back
2024-25 is dependent on committed players coming here and what is done in the portal
2025-26 no one can have any clue...possible 70%+ minutes are played by players we currently don't know

The entire Rutgers athletic department can go in many directions at this point. It is almost impossible to predict what is going to happen.