2 years total? Please look at our roster. We WILL NOT be .500 either this or next season. Just not happening.
What if he's not the right coach?
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2 years total? Please look at our roster. We WILL NOT be .500 either this or next season. Just not happening.
So what you want is a coaching carousel then. No recruit is going to come him his coaches change every 2 years.
They don't? What is the new plan? With examples, please.
Most schools give coaches 4-5 years. The only ones that don't give 4 years are where the program has a ton of talent on roster to begin with, or where there are other problems.
Also, say we hire the likes of Chris Ash, a top coordinator under the best coach in college football. And we run him out of town after year 1. For not having a winning record -- its hard to type this without laughing -- with the on roster talent at Rutgers (despite the fact that we were a 4 win team last year). Who do you suppose would take the job next? Answer: Only someone way worse than Chris Ash.
Crazytown.
Please name the last 10 P5 coaches who got ONLY 2-years without being fired for, let's say, banging their assistant or something similar. Actually, let's be fair, name the last 5.
Sometimes it does not matter if you adjust or not, if the pieces are simply not there.
I do have issues with the illegal formations on the punt team. That should not happen regardless of any talent issues.
Oh, okay. So In that case I guess Urban Meyer is a complete moron for hiring Ash and going on to win a national championship with him.
Harbaugh on the other hand has gone on to win what exactly? He had Andrew Luck and Richard Sherman and still couldn't get the job done. I guess he needed the almighty Al Golden [eyeroll]
Thanks....I'm posting this piece from NJ Online ...because it's relevant.
Don't click if you have that issue.
MO
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...rew_mehringers_spread.html#incart_river_index
Just off the top of my head .
Like fickell Ohio state . He was interim , but still not given the permanent job.
Jeff jagodizibski Boston college . I think the spelling is wrong .
Steve sarkasian USC . Probably more for off field incidents
Steve kragthoroe Louisville . He may have gotten 3 years .
You do realize Luke Fickel is still listed as Defensive Coordinator along with Schiano, Right. Do you seriously believe Fickel is running that defense this year or last? I think you're a little smarter than that. This is simply a title to get a favorite OSU son more money. His real job, he coaches the LB's this year and last.
Kansas and Colorado moved on after 2 years with Weis and Embree (sp?)...I am not saying we should fire Ash after 2 years, but plenty of p5 schools do, especially ones that fall flat with two bad hires in a row.
Turning into that is a fear of mine.
Yessir, correct. Skippy Holtz was out at USF in 3. Tony Levine same at Houston. Tyrone Willingham twice.
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I don't think anyone that is logical is saying ash should be fired after 2 years . Maybe 3 , if recruiting falls aid and he is something like 5-31 in three years . Then yeah he should be fired . But it's only been 5 games.
No, it's not.
It's only critical for you, determining whether you run your mouth loudly or less loudly.
agree and we've not seen any of this to date by any coach on the staff.
i expect at least one first down and one completed pass in every quarter, im only asking for 4 first downs and four completions. we are now officialy the worst offence in d1 we rank 128 out of 128. we should win saturday but even vegas is not that sure.
Like it or not, the Illinois game will be a true barometer of where this program is going. We will be playing a very beatable
Illinois team at home.
If Ash allows his OC to try and run a power spread with a QB that can't run, not capable of reading a defense, or expect his offensive linemen to miraculously double team and drive a 3 tech DL back and seal up the OLB when they could barely hold a block, then we all should be asking WTF is going on with this entire coaching staff.
I get it, we all get it, he doesn't have the talent, but don't exacerbate the problem by forcing the kids to play a style of football they're not capable of playing. If that's being loud then ........ deal with it.
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JMHO, but I think Niemann "has" shown this ability to date.
Against the 3 top 5 teams it was really simple, the OL gave us 2-3 seconds before serious pressure came. We couldn't complete screens or short passes. Offensive system doesn't matter. Defense gets to stack the box against the run.
So how does any coach fix that when it starts with OL execution, followed by WR getting no separation and QB missing the few open receivers. How does any coach, even a 5 million dollar a year coach fix that before he gets a full year of recruiting?
So how does any coach fix that when it starts with OL execution, followed by WR getting no separation and QB missing the few open receivers. How does any coach, even a 5 million dollar a year coach fix that before he gets a full year of recruiting?
Recruiting is often referred to as the lifeblood of the program. It's probably 50% of the job. But you still have to coach players. And coaching is teaching and helping them improve and preparing them to execute. When an OLineman doesn't execute a few plays, that's on the lineman. When he does a tremendous job a whole game impersonating a turnstile, that's on the coach. Something is wrong on offense and it's bigger than only lack of talent and lack of depth.
Don't you think it is an issue on his hiring judgement stating his assistants need time to grow into their roles? I can see you can have a young guy or two sprinkled into the staff, but he put an inexperienced guy running the show on a side of the ball that is not his area of expertise. These guys should be up to the task when they are hired. The OC should not be a training experiment for a guy who has 2 paid years of coaching experience and needs time to grow into his job.
I think that whether he's the right coach or not is dependent on how well he recruits. It's not like Flood left Ash with stable of studs like Harbaugh was gifted with at Michigan. Don't you think it's better to wait until he has his own guys on the team before drawing too many conclusions?
Except when the defensive lineman are top of the chart and offensive are seniors and have struggled for a few seasons. There are some things coaching cannot overcome.
True tests will be the remaining games.
Big change from co-dc on a team with top recruits and topHC and top coaching staff members to HC for a team with marginal/good recruits and an inexperienced (P5 experience) staff.
He may be in over his head. Money limitations brought on by Rutgers receiving limited share money from the B1G put ASH in this predicament.
Again, not saying he won't succeed but I think many on the Rutgers board may have had too high expectations on what ASH (one guy) can do.
He has a good rapport with young recruits who seem to relate to him which is positive.
However, Rutgers final record could result on how many he can retain in February.
Time will tell.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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that's a tough call but see why you think that. I'm objective, I can see the argument
If Rutgers is able to get a very talented OC, but have to deal with a couple years of inexperience to do so, I think I take it.
Especially if Rutgers knows that the first of those years is not going to be very successful no matter who the OC is.
Edit: same goes for Ash as the HC.
