Which lot are they putting the students in?
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Well somebody has to be there since I don't think the RUPD is big enough to do the whole job by themselves
But as I have said in the past, there are enough agencies close by that would love to get some OT for their members if given the chance.
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I got that, just wondering if the MCSD was being used because there was some connection or political reason.
The Monmouth County sheriffs also send several vehicles and officers to every game. There also uniformed officers from nearly every surrounding town, state troopers, as well as plainclothes officers from nearly every level of jurisdiction working on game days. MCSO certainly doesn't have a monopoly on anything, besides a virtual one on Blue/Yellow Lot harassment and underage drinking tickets..
Spoke to a friend today who is pretty pluged into the political scene in New Brunswick and he said the MCSD is full of political appointments and many of the deputies are there due to favors being given out by politicians. That's not saying that all of the deputies are or have not paid their dues. But the is a feeling of entitlement that runs through the department.
Oh yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
And a lot of them are just there to get drunk, and party. Let them do it somewhere
else.
I played at a private Div II school up here in the Boston area. For the last 9yrs after I moved back up here from NYC, I would go to 1 game a year. Last season the school just opened the end zone to alumni/adults (no students) for food beer and wine. I go to 4 games a year now. The atmosphere in the endzone is great. Yup, a cold beer brings me in.
I would like to address the point made much earlier in this thread that the events that have led to the crackdown by police was just because of the PSU game. I think that game was the tipping point but the issues had been building for quite a few years. I have been in the blue lot since the mid nineties and have seen the party seen evolve and sometimes ebb and flow based on enforcement. We were there when they outlawed beer balls and we railed it would be the death of tailgating as we knew it. But tailgates survived. My crew was once a group that was in the first few rows early and as we evolved we showed up later arrived in the more sedate back part of the lot but always enjoyed the atmosphere up front and sprinkled about with students and younger alumni. In my opinion the real issue isnt student tailgating in general, it is the "parties". For at least a few years the black pick up trucks have become more numerous and those parties that invite 50+ to a one car space encroach on everyone around them. I remember an older couple sitting at a table eating sandwiches surrounded by students. Rowdy students too. And I thought that looks miserable and definitely not what they paid for or were promised. 3 years ago a student came from just such a party tailgate into our tailgate sat down and passed out In one of our chairs. We had 5 kids under 8 with us. We tried to give him time to shake it off but eventually he wouldn't wake up or move. We had to flag the EMT and when he woke up he started fighting with them and got cuffed. All while we tried to explain this to the kids. Two years ago students from such a tailgate mosied on over to our space and started stealing things. Now I've been around long enough to know how a few bad apples spoil the bunch and have seen how the pendulum swings too far one way and now too far the other. This isn't the first time there has been a crackdown of sorts in blue. Unfortunate kids in normal tailgates are now being hassled but that's the pendulum swinging away. It will swing back. Always does. My only opinion is "parties" need a dedicated area. They are too big and over the years became too numerous across the lot. But student tailgates I welcome and they will be survive. Enforcement gets old and things always seem to lighten up with time.
When I was a student we tailgated in the yellow lot. Although it had no name then, and it included what's now the Visitor Center, Campus Road, and the intramural field complex area beyond that. Of course the only time it was close to full was on homecoming.
I don't know anyone who is telling you to deal with that or suggesting that is okay. Me personally, I have said ITT that those large parties in Uhauls and Rockstar energy trucks are a problem. What is being suggested by me in particular is A-forcing students to tailgate in a certain area doesn't work and now some students are choosing not to come at all to the game from College Ave (maybe they wouldn't have if they were in Blue but still not a good sign). B-complaining to the AD relentlessly about safety and recklessness (while I see it was necessary) has lead them to just hire more cops who do nothing but fish for tickets and harass people, regardless of age group. As for your last point, I suggest you talk to any owner of an RV, bus, ambulance and bread truck in any of the lots. They are all great people and most of them have great tailgates that aren't raging parties...so not sure where you get that from? Probably the email group that you talk with.
The parties definitely need a dedicated space. But I tend to think that whatever the school comes up with will resemble an eighth grade dance out of fear of lawsuits, PC mores and the need to create an 'inclusive safe space'.
Hopefully RaySt is right and the pendulum of enforcement will start to swing back sooner rather than later.
Hopefully RaySt is right and the pendulum of enforcement will start to swing back sooner rather than later.
Man, there is not one post by you that I read and say to myself: Master troll or shittiest poster on this site?
Kudos to you either way, sir.
You take one too many snaps with your helmet off?
I didn't suggest you weren't a great guy who throws great parties. That isn't what "disingenuous" means. I'm suggesting that it is easy for you to say that those who complained are getting what they deserve now, when you are parked up against a fence with no one encroaching on your space, puking on your shoes or stealing your gear.
There is nuance in the real world. The dynamic in the lots is just that, a dynamic. It's not an either or situation.
U-Hauls and Rockstar parties are a non-starter. They would never be allowed to exist in a B10 environment. There is a big difference between hosting Michigan, OSU and Nebraska fans--thousands of them per weekend--and 15 fans from SMU or UCONN.
The PSU and Michigan tailgates were not Uhaul parties. They were a single pick-up truck party with a generator, DJ equipment and stocked bars. At one point during PSU, the frat across from us was hosting a total sausage party. We shot video of 10 dudes dancing to the Bask Street Boys. 2 hours later, there were 200 people on a single parking pass. If you permit that to exist in the front 4 rows of the Blue Lot, how do you "police" it when it gets out of control? Which it will with 100% certainty. At that point, the cops have to roll heavy. There are 200+ drunk kids in a 300 s/f area.
I don't care if they end up not coming. Come up with some more gimmicks like the Grant thing if they are that disinterested. If you can't fill a 10k seat student section, without tacitly agreeing to let students get fall down drunk, then that's not my problem.
This is the story with pretty much any sheriff's office. Some folks are there through civil service test but at least half are appointees from one administration or another.
this is a great post, thanks for sharing your experience....this is a post that the younger ones on this board bitching about the new blue lot policies have to read.
Fact is that when students get in numbers greater than 50 its uncontrollable. Are we losing kids going to the game? Hmm I am not so sure, for one the student section was pretty packed for a shitty opponent on a hot day, secondly I have sometimes made it into the game a little late and I can tell you that these kids in those large groups are not the students going to the game. So they have to tailgate elsewhere...big f'n deal. Its not the university job to support underage drinking or look the other way. If you are underage and want to drink you can do it but be careful and inconspicuous about it. Some here want a free for all..no it does not work that way.
The police crap is another issue all together so I think its important to separate it from the student tailgating issue.
I think that's the point.
I've said it at least 6 times in this thread.
It's two different issues.
Those who want more of a party scene are purposely conflating the issues to try and make a point. Logically, it falls short. Then they are saying, "well, NOBODY wants U-Haul parties." Also, not the central issue.
And frankly, if the AD needs to make a decision between making their current donors happy or laying the seeds for future donors by placating students who want to get drunk in the Blue Lot, there is no decision to be made. Hopefully, those students will eventually grow up.
I've said it at least 6 times in this thread.
It's two different issues.
Those who want more of a party scene are purposely conflating the issues to try and make a point. Logically, it falls short. Then they are saying, "well, NOBODY wants U-Haul parties." Also, not the central issue.
And frankly, if the AD needs to make a decision between making their current donors happy or laying the seeds for future donors by placating students who want to get drunk in the Blue Lot, there is no decision to be made. Hopefully, those students will eventually grow up.
you are right, given the choice the donors will be made happy and the students will have to suck it up and take it on the chin just like other times in the past where student drinking was cut back on. There generally was a free for all in the 80s albeit the tailgating scene wasn't so intense but when Callahan fell down those steps and died things changed...and you know what everyone survived. I remember I think for one homecoming either 90 or 91 the school made it clear they were going to crack down on underage drinking. So as a student facing that you weighed your options, if you partied responsibly you made it without being written up. This generations constant need to draw attention to oneself, act like idiots while partying with 500 people they don't know just to be part of something is well flat out stupid.
In the end we may lose a hundred students but others are taking their places and you better believe that the student section will be packed to capacity when Michigan St and Ohio State roll through and Julie knows this. The school gave them an area one time and they pissed on everyones shrubs, they gave them an area to congregate in front of Werblin and they don't want to be there. I don't know what else they can do besides ignore all the state laws on underage drinking
Exactly
And when an 18 year old girl dies face down in her own vomit in the Blue Lot, the entire shootin match will get shut down. And it doesn't take a U-Haul or Rockstar Energy drink party to create a situation for that to happen.
Hold up......Just want to reaffirm, I still the hold the "brings nothing useful or tactical to the group position"
Bribes might be more accurate.
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Somehow I completely missed this thread originally. Didn't read the entire thing but some questions/observations.
1. I've always thought that the drinking age should be lowered to 18. Especially for high school graduates/college students. Have alcohol responsibility taught in high school. Make years 18-21 probationary where Alcohol related offenses are harshly punished basically easing young adults into alcohol.
2. You have lots designated for students? That seems strange to me looking through my Penn State glasses. We just have general parking, preferred parking, and reserved parking. Students are basically scattered throughout the general parking areas. For those of you that made the trip up how did that work out compared to what you all deal with?
3. We have some of the larger parties you are talking about but again they are in the general parking $15 no donation required areas so there are usually enough cars brought in to support the size of the party.
4. To control the large parties in you donation required lots how about a simple guideline that only 10 people per parking pass are allowed. The idea is you get away from the militant breaking up of tailgates and raise the expectation of reasonable tailgates
5. Are your donation required lots numbered spaces? It sounds like they are not. I think this helps people take ownership of that space. You also keep that space year to year as long as you continue to donate at the same level. You have mini community form. This in turn keeps people from selling a pass on the secondary market to strangers that might give the actual spot holder a bad name. Would it be possible to add numbered spaces to your lots? Our are temporary and removed at the end of the season.
6. How much tailgating space do you have? Is there enough space for everyone who wants to tailgate and go to the game plus additional partiers?
7. There definitely needs to be a balance of people and students allowed to have fun while maintain everyone safety. Not that I support underage drinking but back to point one that largely goes away by reducing the drinking age to 18 and then the focus of enforcement can be on responsibility instead of the legality. It'll take some of the money out of the equation so you won't have the PDs looking to write a bunch of tickets for revenue.
1. I've always thought that the drinking age should be lowered to 18. Especially for high school graduates/college students. Have alcohol responsibility taught in high school. Make years 18-21 probationary where Alcohol related offenses are harshly punished basically easing young adults into alcohol.
2. You have lots designated for students? That seems strange to me looking through my Penn State glasses. We just have general parking, preferred parking, and reserved parking. Students are basically scattered throughout the general parking areas. For those of you that made the trip up how did that work out compared to what you all deal with?
3. We have some of the larger parties you are talking about but again they are in the general parking $15 no donation required areas so there are usually enough cars brought in to support the size of the party.
4. To control the large parties in you donation required lots how about a simple guideline that only 10 people per parking pass are allowed. The idea is you get away from the militant breaking up of tailgates and raise the expectation of reasonable tailgates
5. Are your donation required lots numbered spaces? It sounds like they are not. I think this helps people take ownership of that space. You also keep that space year to year as long as you continue to donate at the same level. You have mini community form. This in turn keeps people from selling a pass on the secondary market to strangers that might give the actual spot holder a bad name. Would it be possible to add numbered spaces to your lots? Our are temporary and removed at the end of the season.
6. How much tailgating space do you have? Is there enough space for everyone who wants to tailgate and go to the game plus additional partiers?
7. There definitely needs to be a balance of people and students allowed to have fun while maintain everyone safety. Not that I support underage drinking but back to point one that largely goes away by reducing the drinking age to 18 and then the focus of enforcement can be on responsibility instead of the legality. It'll take some of the money out of the equation so you won't have the PDs looking to write a bunch of tickets for revenue.
I was at PSU this past weekend. The biggest differences are probably the amount of open space you guys have over there to tailgate and like you mentioned the general/ preferred/ reserved lots.. The way it works at RU is you get assigned a lot based on the amount of priority points you've racked up through donations and consecutive yrs of buying season tix.. So you have the high donors in scarlet, then yellow, blue, etc.. There aren't really any general lots where anyone tailgates so you get students mixed in the lots, usually blue which is i believe requires the 3rd most points behind scarlet and yellow.. And thats the problem, you end up with big parties mixed in with people who donated a decent amount of money. When i was in school the frats would usually either buy a blue pass or have one given to them from an alum. The reserved/preferred/general breakdown would probably help a lot but I don't think there is enough space for that. Penn State has a ton of huge empty fields which is perfect for the tailgating setup.
We have reserved and general lots (General is the RAC and the Med School lots). About 5 or 6 years ago students began throwing over-sized parties in the Blue lot (reserved), using passes acquired like the poster above described. In the last couple years, there have been a couple attempts to provide a space for students to have their over-sized parties in separate areas, but the current group of students feel entitled to the Blue lot, so they refuse to use these areas. It appears to me that the current plan is to wait a few years and see how it goes. Collective student memory doesn't last very long since they are only there for 4 years.
A good way to erase student memory is to have a construction project that temporarily relocated them somewhere and when the construction project is complete voila the temporary move becomes permanent as they've become used to their new digs. It just can't be portray as a punishment.
It has nothing to do with student entitlement to the Blue Lot. It's about a pointless crackdown on underage drinking (and I'm not talking about oversize party tailgates of bombed people, nobody wants those) by Middlesex County cops in many the lots for $$$, which drove most students away from tailgating completely. The first solution, Hamsterdam near the Green Lot, failed due to people and visiting walking through from the Greek Church, as well as proximity to nearby homes. The Werblin is a failure because students aren't interested in hanging out in a 'dry' area, isolated completely from all lots and sitting ducks for cops once again.
Now that the team's performance is resembling that of a Nickelback concert, student attendance can and will decline even more precipitously, especially after a few blowout losses. There have been many reasonable options for compromise proposed, and I seriously hope that the school considers seriously.
Well that's part of the problem as well. The open fields that represent some of the most desirable reserved parking have been shrunk by half over the last 20 years due to various construction projects. Now we have joined the B1G and demand for this reserved parking is higher than ever. The system used to assign parking based on "priority points" is akin to a blind auction held each year. People now must donate anywhere from $500 - $3500 to get a blue parking pass, depending on how many years they have had season tickets and other factors. 10 years ago you could get Blue with no donation. Students are oblivious to these changes, but the people parking and tailgating in these lots are not.
Now if with all that construction they could just get wifi in the Blue Lot to make the video stream of Gameday come through clearer, I'd be happy...can't they put a giant antenna on the Visitor's Center? haha
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