Why the hate for laviano ?

[RUChoppin]

Nobody "booed Flood" or "booed Laviano".... they just booed. You don't get to call your shot when booing - it's free to interpretation by the people on the field.

It's like going into a church and yelling "what a bunch of a$$holes!"... and then trying to explain later that you meant three particular guys sitting in the sixth row, and nobody else should have taken offense.

 

[Yeah Baby]

In 2009, Dom Natale started our home opener.

It wasn't pretty.

The rest of that year was Tom Savage's coming out party.

Going into camp, I suspect the staff already knew Tom was the "better" QB, but Schiano decided to start Dom anyway.

If Tom was indeed vastly superior to Dom (which he was), then that's precedence to believe that 1.) it's the coach's job protect his QBs, 2.) that doesn't necessarily mean the best QB always plays, contrary to coach-speak, 3.) fans aren't always misguided in their belief that the better QB is on the bench, and 4.) the Rutgers coaching staff didn't always get it wrong in handling the QB situation, even if immediate results weren't positive.

Schiano was not the type to throw a True Freshman QB into the fire Game 1 against a superior opponent. You have to go into each game putting the guy out there that is the most game ready. Teel did not play until his 2nd year and even then only split time with Hart. Nova split time his first year as well. There is no doubt that Savage was going to play his Freshman year no matter what Natale did that first game. That is how Schiano operated and many of our fans complained about it and "booed Schiano."

Flood said early on that he was going to pick one guy and stand by them. Many of our fans applauded this comment. But then they "booed Flood" every time Nova or Laviano were not having good games.

I have talked to coaches at RU and those 3 QB's had the most upside of our QB's while they were here by a wide margin.

 

[wheezer]

Pat Hobbs has stated several times that RU fans should not boo their own team or players. Pat Hobbs is a gentleman and a scholar and 100% right on this.

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This of course, is correct..... But what was done is done...... We can't go back in time to change it now, and hopefully fans do not boo anything related to the program, coach or player, from this point forward

As to who got booed, I am certain in my mind who it was directed at, and some will disagree

It no longer matters..... Move on.

 

[Knight Shift]

This. Its just slang.

"I'm hating on x" isnt as serious as "I hate x"

"There is Laviano hate" is less serious than "there is hatred for Laviano".

Op is trying to pinpoint where the negativity is coming from.. he's not accusing ppl of actually detesting the kid.

As an aside, when did "hating on" or "hate on" become acceptable usage? For those defending or fans of Chris Laviano, would you say they are "loving on" or "liking on" him because it would be too serious or weird to say "I love Chris Laviano?"

 

[Yeah Baby]

The crowd booed loudly in 95 when Ray Lucas trotted on to start the Cuse game after Rob Higgins lit up Penn State the week before. Higgins replaced an injured Lucas to throw for 285 and 3td in 3 quarters. Was the crowd booing Lucas or the decision to choose him?

Lucas went on to play in the NFL. No question who our starter was so this is another example of our fans clinging to the backup QB. Any more examples?

 

[RUChoppin]

As an aside, when did "hating on" or "hate on" become acceptable usage? For those defending or fans of Chris Laviano, would you say they are "loving on" or "liking on" him because it would be too serious or weird to say "I love Chris Laviano?"

Would you prefer "drinking Haterade?"

 

[cRURah]

I know he stunk last year, but the whole team stunk . The Maryland and Twitter thing please get over people . The Michigan state fourth down spike was one of the worst plays by anyone in Rutgers history , I get it . He will probably be best remembered for that in Rutgers and BIG infamy .
But ash is going to pick the best qb for this team and that guy is laviano . Hope for the guy to play well and Rutgers wins games .

You answered your own question in the OP

 

[seels2662]

Sorry for being late on this thread, been on vacation, first time I had time to post.

Let me first say that this is not hate for Laviano. But I really think that this is a big mistake for Ash. Nothing personal to Laviano its just that the offense works better with the most athletic QB on the roster. Laviano isn't that. Allen could have run for first downs when things went sideways. Laviano can't do that. Now we are going to rely on two tackles with I believe one start combined and wide receivers who cannot separate. We are going to be a spread offense who can't score. I had us winning 6 games with Allen. With Laviano I think we struggle to get 3.

 

[knightfan7]

Nightfan 7 would have probably been smart enough to read the situation and protect his starting QB and family from boos.
In touch coaches know about crowd behavior. and mentality.
Good coaches in touch with the moment will not put a kid in an obvious position to be booed.
You'll say it's not the coaches job to monitor ass hole fans....umm yes it is!
There are times where it's out of your control and there's nothing as a coach you can do to prevent it...this was not one of those times. Only an imbecile would not have allowed Rettig to finish a series.

I understand what you and others have said. Some of my responses have frankly been because I was in the mood to argue but.....

- He was having the best game of his short career. He was playing the way we all were hoping he could.

- The game was not decided. It was tight and RU had a chance to win.

- As it turned out, a win would have put RU in a Bowl Game. I understand with all the issues and a 5-7 record that would have been a small consolation to the fans but have to believe it was important to those in the program.

- I hate saying anything negative about anyone in the program but as we've seen 3 staffs (including LSU) have not had faith in Rettig's ability to lead the team.

- You will never hear me say in retrospect Flood wasn't an idiot of epic proportions. Just don't think he was wrong in this case.

 

[newwavedave1]

The word hate gets thrown around quite liberally.
Even if you think a guy stinks, you don't hate them.

+1. He did "stink it up" quite often last season. Hoping for improvement this year and am in a "wait and see" mode.

 

[miketd1]

I understand what you and others have said. Some of my responses have frankly been because I was in the mood to argue but.....

- He was having the best game of his short career. He was playing the way we all were hoping he could.

- The game was not decided. It was tight and RU had a chance to win.

- As it turned out, a win would have put RU in a Bowl Game. I understand with all the issues and a 5-7 record that would have been a small consolation to the fans but have to believe it was important to those in the program.

- I hate saying anything negative about anyone in the program but as we've seen 3 staffs (including LSU) have not had faith in Rettig's ability to lead the team.

- You will never hear me say in retrospect Flood wasn't an idiot of epic proportions. Just don't think he was wrong in this case.

Good on you to write this.

As an aside, I personally have never booed the Rutgers team or staff. Apparently I too was simply in the mood to argue.
[cheers]

 

[bac2therac]

[QUOTE="Yeah Baby, post: 2258555, member: 524"immediately put him back iniOh that makes it ok then. Boo the coach for putting the starter back in when he is having the best game of his career (perhaps Indiana was as good or better). Either way, our fans who booed are morons. No questions no doubts. Total stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Laviano was banged up good..no good reason to immediately put him back in..flood deserved all the boos in the world that maryland game for a plethora of reasons

 

[bitnez]

Nobody "booed Flood" or "booed Laviano".... they just booed. You don't get to call your shot when booing - it's free to interpretation by the people on the field.

It's like going into a church and yelling "what a bunch of a$$holes!"... and then trying to explain later that you meant three particular guys sitting in the sixth row, and nobody else should have taken offense.

When one boos there is certainly the possibility (or perhaps likelihood) that the reason for booing could be misinterpreted by someone. At the same time, when someone says that they booed for "X" purpose, even if you don't believe it, of course that's why they booed. There is distinction between intent and result.

 

[knightfan7]

Nightfan 7 would have probably been smart enough to read the situation and protect his starting QB and family from boos.
In touch coaches know about crowd behavior. and mentality.
Good coaches in touch with the moment will not put a kid in an obvious position to be booed.
You'll say it's not the coaches job to monitor ass hole fans....umm yes it is!
There are times where it's out of your control and there's nothing as a coach you can do to prevent it...this was not one of those times. Only an imbecile would not have allowed Rettig to finish a series.

I understand what you and others have said. Some of my responses have frankly been because I was in the mood to argue but.....

- He was having the best game of his short career. He was playing the way we all were hoping he could.

- The game was not decided. It was tight and RU had a chance to win.

- As it turned out, a win would have put RU in a Bowl Game. I understand with all the issues and a 5-7 record that would have been a small consolation to the fans but have to believe it was important to those in the program.

- I hate saying anything negative about anyone in the program but as we've seen 3 staffs (including LSU) have not had faith in Rettig's ability to lead the team.

- You will never hear me say in retrospect Flood wasn't an idiot of epic proportions. Just don't think he was wrong in this case.

Good on you to write this.

As an aside, I personally have never booed the Rutgers team or staff. Apparently I too was simply in the mood to argue.
[cheers]

Back at ya. Enjoy the season!

 

[zappaa]

Holy shite, our defense was poor last year!.
for the most part.

 

[knightfan7]

Holy shite, our defense was poor last year!

Ummm, yeah. Just sticking to the UMd game, look at the rushing stats and how many 20+ yard gains they had. Disaster.

 

[BaseballFan913]

You also missed the 5 game stretch leading into Maryland where #findanotherteam threw for a total of 515 yards, 0 TDs & 5 picks.

Personally I blame Flood & am willing to give Laviano the benefit of the doubt. But if he struggles & isn't pulled for the next man up, the honeymoon is over with this staff.

LOL then find a new team. go to grad school and root for them

 

[knightfan7]

LOL then find a new team. go to grad school and root for them

Here's the thing with the better pull (fill in the blank) if he isn't playing well. I believe coaching staffs put the guys in who give the team the best chance, right? They're not wired to put someone in just to "give him a chance" as so many like to say.

I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Our fans need to realize we're not in a made for TV movie where the career backup comes in and wins the big game for ol State U. This isn't Varsity Blues. It's real life and the staff will make real life decisions.

 

[G- RUnit]

Sorry for being late on this thread, been on vacation, first time I had time to post.

Let me first say that this is not hate for Laviano. But I really think that this is a big mistake for Ash. Nothing personal to Laviano its just that the offense works better with the most athletic QB on the roster. Laviano isn't that. Allen could have run for first downs when things went sideways. Laviano can't do that. Now we are going to rely on two tackles with I believe one start combined and wide receivers who cannot separate. We are going to be a spread offense who can't score. I had us winning 6 games with Allen. With Laviano I think we struggle to get 3.

He broke off some nice runs at Nebraska and seems tough. More worried about decision making in lieu of the infamous spike but hopefully matured in many ways.

 

[bitnez]

Here's the thing with the better pull (fill in the blank) if he isn't playing well. I believe coaching staffs put the guys in who give the team the best chance, right? They're not wired to put someone in just to "give him a chance" as so many like to say.

I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Our fans need to realize we're not in a made for TV movie where the career backup comes in and wins the big game for ol State U. This isn't Varsity Blues. It's real life and the staff will make real life decisions.

I agree that the backup often is the backup for a reason. At the same time I don't believe that the best players necessarily play all the time. Coaches are human -- they have favorites.

 

[knightfan7]

I agree that the backup often is the backup for a reason. At the same time I don't believe that the best players necessarily play all the time. Coaches are human -- they have favorites.

Can understand that. You would hope this staff keeps that mindset to a minimum.

 

[G- RUnit]

Here's the thing with the better pull (fill in the blank) if he isn't playing well. I believe coaching staffs put the guys in who give the team the best chance, right? They're not wired to put someone in just to "give him a chance" as so many like to say.

I mean this in the most respectful way possible. Our fans need to realize we're not in a made for TV movie where the career backup comes in and wins the big game for ol State U. This isn't Varsity Blues. It's real life and the staff will make real life decisions.

On the other hand for a few years we did have a back up QB that did win comeback games and even a bowl game and our coach did not pull the starter despite two of the worse performances in winnable games, Kent State and Va Tech. We also saw Rettig play very well, without Carroo, when our starting Qb was serving a suspension. Sometimes coaches make awful decisions and the fans were indeed correct and those coaches become ex-coaches.

 

[knightfan7]

On the other hand for a few years we did have a back up QB that did win comeback games and even a bowl game and our coach did not pull the starter despite two of the worse performances in winnable games, Kent State and Va Tech. We also saw Rettig play very well, without Carroo, when our starting Qb was serving a suspension. Sometimes coaches make awful decisions and the fans were indeed correct and those coaches become ex-coaches.

vs Howard. Let's not go overboard.

I may be going overboard here because I had thought RU would win but when you look at it from an unbiased stance, Kent State was the better team. Not only that day but that year. QB play just made their job easier.

 

[zappaa]

Sorry for being late on this thread, been on vacation, first time I had time to post.

Let me first say that this is not hate for Laviano. But I really think that this is a big mistake for Ash. Nothing personal to Laviano its just that the offense works better with the most athletic QB on the roster. Laviano isn't that. Allen could have run for first downs when things went sideways. Laviano can't do that. Now we are going to rely on two tackles with I believe one start combined and wide receivers who cannot separate. We are going to be a spread offense who can't score. I had us winning 6 games with Allen. With Laviano I think we struggle to get 3.

I thought the exact same thing.
You've got to believe the extra size and mindset to run has transformed CL

 

[Plum Street]

Lucas went on to play in the NFL. No question who our starter was so this is another example of our fans clinging to the backup QB. Any more examples?

You must not have watched Rutgers football then . Lucas was the most overrated qb we've ever had here . And he stunk against penn state and in that game against Syracuse . So this is not a case of our fans clinging to the backup . Higgins deserved a shot . Fans were right in that case .

 

[G- RUnit]

vs Howard. Let's not go overboard.

I may be going overboard here because I had thought RU would win but when you look at it from an unbiased stance, Kent State was the better team. Not only that day but that year. QB play just made their job easier.

Nobody wins when you throw six interceptions. We only lost by 12. At home.

Still cringe at Va Tech game.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

I have no problem with the booing and think those trying to quiet it are trying to shave without a razor. Football at this level is a highly competitive sport played by adults who are well compensated for their time. I have booed the staff but never a player for what it's worth.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

You must not have watched Rutgers football then . Lucas was the most overrated qb we've ever had here . And he stunk against penn state and in that game against Syracuse . So this is not a case of our fans clinging to the backup . Higgins deserved a shot . Fans were right in that case .

spot on....

I would say overrated is an understatement

 

[Plum Street]

I have no problem with the booing and think those trying to quiet it are trying to shave without a razor. Football at this level is a highly competitive sport played by adults who are well compensated for their time. I have booed the staff but never a player for what it's worth.

Mostly correct . But I wouldn't call them highly compensated . They are pretty much owned by the program during their time . Some choose to get a worthwhile degree , some don't . It's not easy having a full time job like football and taking hard classes .

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Mostly correct . But I wouldn't call them highly compensated . They are pretty much owned by the program during their time . Some choose to get a worthwhile degree , some don't . It's not easy having a full time job like football and taking hard classes .

agree it's not easy but their compensation is very good. The opportunity alone has much more intrinsic value than ever given credit for. If a student athlete chooses to ignore the percentages and majors in basket weaving then all I have to say is,'don't get my car dirty when you put the cap back on' ...said in jest but you get my meaning

 

[Yeah Baby]

You must not have watched Rutgers football then . Lucas was the most overrated qb we've ever had here . And he stunk against penn state and in that game against Syracuse . So this is not a case of our fans clinging to the backup . Higgins deserved a shot . Fans were right in that case .

Yes I also missed all of the NFL games that Higgins played in. LOL. I had nothing against the kid or any of our backups. Lucas was better. But you keep clinging to the thought that we would have been National Champs if we only played our backups QB's more often.

 

[Knight Shift]

Sorry for being late on this thread, been on vacation, first time I had time to post.

Let me first say that this is not hate for Laviano. But I really think that this is a big mistake for Ash. Nothing personal to Laviano its just that the offense works better with the most athletic QB on the roster. Laviano isn't that. Allen could have run for first downs when things went sideways. Laviano can't do that. Now we are going to rely on two tackles with I believe one start combined and wide receivers who cannot separate. We are going to be a spread offense who can't score. I had us winning 6 games with Allen. With Laviano I think we struggle to get 3.

And you know all of this better than the coaching staff how? How many times have you closely observed Laviano and the other QBs on staff since Ash took over?

 

[Yeah Baby]

On the other hand for a few years we did have a back up QB that did win comeback games and even a bowl game and our coach did not pull the starter despite two of the worse performances in winnable games, Kent State and Va Tech. We also saw Rettig play very well, without Carroo, when our starting Qb was serving a suspension. Sometimes coaches make awful decisions and the fans were indeed correct and those coaches become ex-coaches.

Again, I would have rooted for Rettig and I liked Dodd a lot but Flood wanted a one QB system as was well advertised on here and the media outlets.

Kent St was the epitome of being stubborn. Sometimes it is better for the QB to just sit one out and that was clearly one of those times.

I disagree a whole lot on Va Tech. Nova had zero chance to do anything. They stuffed the box and played press coverage. He had no time and nobody to throw to either. I blame not changing up some of our play calls but I leaving in Nova was not the issue. Should we have pulled out the entire OL too? No you leave in your best players and try to come away with a win.

 

[RUChoppin]

When one boos there is certainly the possibility (or perhaps likelihood) that the reason for booing could be misinterpreted by someone. At the same time, when someone says that they booed for "X" purpose, even if you don't believe it, of course that's why they booed. There is distinction between intent and result.

Yeah, but the intent is meaningless at the end of the day. Laviano felt (and reacted) as though he was being booed... and he wasn't wrong to feel that way. Whether or not someone was booing his return, Flood's decision to hold Rettig off the field, Flood's decision to risk Laviano's health, the color of our uniforms, or the font on the program, is irrelevant.

Laviano came out on the field, and people booed... and once the boo was out of their mouths, they have no control over how people (in this case, Laviano) interpret and respond to it.

If you drive past a group of people on the street and yell "F--- you!" out the window, how are they supposed to interpret that? Your intent may have have been to target all of them, one of them, or even the poster of a political candidate on the wall behind them... but intent is divorced from the actual action.

Boos can't be targeted. They're not addressed to anyone, so intent is meaningless. The only thing people hearing a boo have to go by is their own assumptions in the moment, and the booer has no control over that.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Yes I also missed all of the NFL games that Higgins played in. LOL. I had nothing against the kid or any of our backups. Lucas was better. But you keep clinging to the thought that we would have been National Champs if we only played our backups QB's more often.

I don't think he's saying that and I also think we can all agree that often times, kids in college will often blossom under NFL instruction just as some will fade away having reached their peak. Often times, one coach can make the kid the player he was meant to be while another can't.

 

[Dpgru]

As for the booing: some were definitely booing Laviano, others were booing Flood for being Flood, others were booing the fact that Rettig was being pulled. In any event it was a bad scene all around. The fans may very well have been guilty of poor behavior and Laviano's response was an equally poor decision. As for the people who keep bringing up Flood's decision not to switch QB's, you are right that it should have been done but there is no evidence, none, that had he done it there would have been a different outcome. Clearly Rettig is not as good as many of you think. Your ire at Flood assumes that had Rettig been put in the season would have been different because you believe he is such a good QB. But this is the third staff that has chosen not to go with him. Maybe Flood knew that Rettig couldn't do it and felt his only hope was CL. it didn't work but maybe he felt he had no other real choice. In any event, it is over.

 

[Yeah Baby]

I don't think he's saying that and I also think we can all agree that often times, kids in college will often blossom under NFL instruction just as some will fade away having reached their peak. Often times, one coach can make the kid the player he was meant to be while another can't.

I agree with your comments but he is not just saying Higgins was good he is saying Lucas was not. BTW, Graber had some very, very good Offenses so it's hard to argue with his QB decisions.

 

[Caliknight]

Holy shite, our defense was poor last year!.
for the most part.

Compounded by our offense mastering the 3 and out.

A recipe for losing.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Okay, I tired of reading everything over and over, so if there was anything relevant in the last 30 or so posts, please feel free to bring it to my attention.

Much aboo about nothing. Was totally directed at Flood. Poor Retig but ignore that part of the equation.

Are you referring to our 4th string QB under Ash? Nice pun by the way.

Laviano reenters game, stadium erupts in boos.

Yeah, it was for Flood.

Just how much you asking for that bridge?

And how many bridges are you trying to sell?

Nobody "booed Flood" or "booed Laviano".... they just booed. You don't get to call your shot when booing - it's free to interpretation by the people on the field.

It's like going into a church and yelling "what a bunch of a$$holes!"... and then trying to explain later that you meant three particular guys sitting in the sixth row, and nobody else should have taken offense.

This is a pretty good analogy for the situation.

 

[seels2662]

And you know all of this better than the coaching staff how? How many times have you closely observed Laviano and the other QBs on staff since Ash took over?

Its not smart to think a first time head coach isn't going to make his fair share of mistakes. My prediction is this is one of his mistakes.