Women’s Hoops Suffers First Loss to Stony Brook
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He doesn’t give credit easily. It’s not a good look. More than once today he called a time out, then had no play to give the team. All of the players waiting in the huddle while he’s consulting with the assistants. He’s in over his head, but blaming it on the players.
Where’s he going to go? The head coach is collecting a $1 million a year to sit on a couch in South Brunswick after the AD let himself get strong-armed.
They play like they just showed up at the Y for a pick up game.
No one knows where to go. Hard to watch. Poor coaching.
I think he needs to develop two fives with wholesale substitution.
That way each 5 will more quickly learn where their teammate will be.
And some here think we weren't going to miss Diamond!
No one knows where to go. Hard to watch. Poor coaching.
I think he needs to develop two fives with wholesale substitution.
That way each 5 will more quickly learn where their teammate will be.
And some here think we weren't going to miss Diamond!
When you have 6-7 new players , some who appeared shell shocked , just shows the importance of having the HC around the team. Assistants are fine but Tim needs to step it up. Being good players helps solves problems but knowing the system, having goals and realizing you are a team is more important.
Not a fan of 14 player rotations. Leads to inconsistency, particularly offensively & best players become frustrated in LACK of PT. How did RU staff plan to utilize its 7 experienced transfers, (mostly guards) into a cohesive unit with its returners? Do you think the graduate transfers who averaged 30+ minutes PT & 16+ points per game at their previous school are second guessing their decisions?
How is this roster being built not only for this year but for the years ahead? Our all state Texas recruit is playing the least of all players on the roster.
How is this roster being built not only for this year but for the years ahead? Our all state Texas recruit is playing the least of all players on the roster.
There’s probably a better interim coach sitting on the bench.
I've been trying to find the right words to describe what we saw today and I can't think of one that is harsh enough. Today was worse than horrible. It was a train wreck...a total embarrassment.
It squarely lays at the feet of the coaching staff. I want to be fair and give Tim more time before making a judgement but I have to say his first impressions are not good at all. Is there a method to the madness, is what I keep saying to myself.
Listening to him at Big Ten Media day and all of the post game interviews so far, I can't get with what he's saying. After the limited success he had when taking over a few years ago in the Big Ten Tourney, I expected things to be a lot smoother than they have been so far this year. I really thought we would see the platoon system again with so many players who seem to be close in skill level.
Sadly, I have to agree that if this continues, he will need to be pulled before the season is completed. That was inexcusable, what we saw today. The players deserve a whole lot better than the game plan that we are seeing.
If you're gonna throw the team under the bus and not take any responsibility for that trash that we saw today, that's not good leadership in my opinion.....unless the team has just been uncooperative in practice, and slacking. and not listening to the coaching staff and you wanted them to learn a lesson. I kept saying to myself that his coaching moves made it appear as though he wasn't trying to win the game.
He keeps saying they have to learn to play the right way. And that they played a veteran team. He's got players with 3 and 4 years experience but has them looking like freshman in HS. He needs to own most, if not all of this loss.
It squarely lays at the feet of the coaching staff. I want to be fair and give Tim more time before making a judgement but I have to say his first impressions are not good at all. Is there a method to the madness, is what I keep saying to myself.
Listening to him at Big Ten Media day and all of the post game interviews so far, I can't get with what he's saying. After the limited success he had when taking over a few years ago in the Big Ten Tourney, I expected things to be a lot smoother than they have been so far this year. I really thought we would see the platoon system again with so many players who seem to be close in skill level.
Sadly, I have to agree that if this continues, he will need to be pulled before the season is completed. That was inexcusable, what we saw today. The players deserve a whole lot better than the game plan that we are seeing.
If you're gonna throw the team under the bus and not take any responsibility for that trash that we saw today, that's not good leadership in my opinion.....unless the team has just been uncooperative in practice, and slacking. and not listening to the coaching staff and you wanted them to learn a lesson. I kept saying to myself that his coaching moves made it appear as though he wasn't trying to win the game.
He keeps saying they have to learn to play the right way. And that they played a veteran team. He's got players with 3 and 4 years experience but has them looking like freshman in HS. He needs to own most, if not all of this loss.
For our new hire, it is too bad Ginny Boggess hasn’t had more time at Monmouth to see how she would be as a head coach. Has been an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator at Penn State.
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Ginny Boggess - Women's Basketball Coach - Monmouth University Athletics
Monmouth University named Ginny Boggess as the ninth head women’s basketball coach in program history on April 8, 2021. Boggess made an immediate impact on the
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All I know listening to his post gsme interviews I almost fell asleep. I just wonder how the players react to him. Hobbs better do something to add someone dynamic to coach this team or with the lack of a decent recruiting class coming in the upcoming years look bleak. Sad.
It does make you wonder what role Michelle and Nadine play in the whole scheme of things. They are so quiet on the bench, for having so much experience in the game of basketball. I'm sure they make their presence felt during practice but it just seems like it's all Tim on the sideline during games. Like he doesn't seek their input much and they don't offer it unless approached.
Contrast that with the opponent today. After watching them for the second time (watched them beat St Johns Sunday), they are a very impressive staff. The coach's demeanor and the collaborative effort with her staff during every timeout was exemplary today. Watching that staff and seeing the command she has of the team, .....it made me think, for the first time, about a replacement for CVS. Stoney Brook, with much less talented players, outsmarted us and clearly just played better basketball than us. We were not playing basketball today.
Contrast that with the opponent today. After watching them for the second time (watched them beat St Johns Sunday), they are a very impressive staff. The coach's demeanor and the collaborative effort with her staff during every timeout was exemplary today. Watching that staff and seeing the command she has of the team, .....it made me think, for the first time, about a replacement for CVS. Stoney Brook, with much less talented players, outsmarted us and clearly just played better basketball than us. We were not playing basketball today.
I think it was the last postgame conference that Tim was talking about the players need to get this offense down. He said something that caught my attention in a bad way, but I just figured that I should give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing. He said(paraphrasing), 'We haven't even gotten into putting in our quick hitting stuff yet.'
I'm thinking, you would need to spend time practicing both because you need both in every game that you play, right. it's like ....you have to put in inbounds plays, end of quarter plays, etc.
That is the problem. You need some simple plays that put your talent in position to utilize their strengths. You can't expect Tiya, Sakima, or Osh to look good when a team is packing it in around them and no one looks to shoot the open shots on the perimeter. You're not asking the posts to draw and kick out to open threes. You end up with what we saw today. They really had to scrap for every point they did get down there today. Coach is responsible for that.
Lasha, Liz, Jailyn, ...no one can drive into a packed-in defense successfully. And Lasha scored most of her points when we were in desperation mode to get a shot off. So I didn't understand when Tim was saying the players are playing for themselves instead of playing as a team when reporter asked about Petree's success. Doubled down that she is not playing team ball. I'm not seeing it that way. She, like everyone else is in complete disarray on offense and just looking to save face from being totally embarrassed. Tim's got to own it before he loses the team. They appear to be giving 100% out there.
BTW, Chyna looks like she could be a real contributor if given a chance. I can't figure that one out. You're playing everyone else, ....and none of them are looking like world-beaters. Why does she get so little time? We still don't know what she can and cannot do.
I'm thinking, you would need to spend time practicing both because you need both in every game that you play, right. it's like ....you have to put in inbounds plays, end of quarter plays, etc.
That is the problem. You need some simple plays that put your talent in position to utilize their strengths. You can't expect Tiya, Sakima, or Osh to look good when a team is packing it in around them and no one looks to shoot the open shots on the perimeter. You're not asking the posts to draw and kick out to open threes. You end up with what we saw today. They really had to scrap for every point they did get down there today. Coach is responsible for that.
Lasha, Liz, Jailyn, ...no one can drive into a packed-in defense successfully. And Lasha scored most of her points when we were in desperation mode to get a shot off. So I didn't understand when Tim was saying the players are playing for themselves instead of playing as a team when reporter asked about Petree's success. Doubled down that she is not playing team ball. I'm not seeing it that way. She, like everyone else is in complete disarray on offense and just looking to save face from being totally embarrassed. Tim's got to own it before he loses the team. They appear to be giving 100% out there.
BTW, Chyna looks like she could be a real contributor if given a chance. I can't figure that one out. You're playing everyone else, ....and none of them are looking like world-beaters. Why does she get so little time? We still don't know what she can and cannot do.
Petree is a player. She can score, pass and block shots. She needs to be included in any shortened rotation.
I’m not going to pile on here RUcrazee but wasn’t it you or scarlett who became upset when people tried to warn that Vivian not being around the girls and staff since last March was leading up to something like this? Tim is not the answer. Rutgers will know very soon how this going to turn outgoing forward. 14 player rotations as some have pointed out don’t cut it.
I know the Covid year has resulted in larger rosters on some teams.
And that has to be difficult to manage.
But someone has to sit.
Are any college teams (men or women) playing 14 players?
If not, I wonder how many are playing in successful teams THIS year.
And that has to be difficult to manage.
But someone has to sit.
Are any college teams (men or women) playing 14 players?
If not, I wonder how many are playing in successful teams THIS year.
Bob you can add me to your list of :"became upset when people tried to warn that Vivian not being around the girls and staff since last March was leading up to something like this?"
I feel it's too early in the season to say that's right, but so far that looks like the case.
The season is young and the team might turn it around under Tim , showing Stringer's involvement wasn't needed as much as some claimed.
But no turnaround and those claims are right and my stance was total wrong.
I'll just wait till later in season.
Dec.5th should be about the time for me to judge and you can hold me to it.
I don't hide my displeasure at some posts concerning this program and am more than willing to admit when I'm wrong.
The way this season is unfolding and the way team is playing against teams they should beat handily, makes my stance look wrong now, but if Tim gets it together by 12/05 then my stance might look better
MADHAT: 95% of our alums who follow sports will always be there for these players… money and support… sometimes a simple criticism is now labeled as HATE towards the team . This current start is the responsibility of CV ‘s late decision and Hobbs ( who has done a good job overall) for not anticipating this scenario. If Hobbs , knew during the summer Vivian’s mindset , then he alone bares the responsibility. Assistants are great but Tim ( interim HC coach) seems to be on his lonesome or he’s being just stubborn. This situation is worse because as we understand the NCAA prevents CV from having any interaction with the program. Is that a valid claim? It’s not that these ladies are not capable of winning consistently but they have been placed into a situation where the captain of the ship ( Tim) needs to choose a better route on the journey.
maybe so but you cant win with all new players, mostly transfers who are only here for a year. solid teams recruit and keep their players for 4 years so they can meld as a team. quick fixes rarely work
I am curious about the contact issue. It specifically said it was due to a limitation on the number of coaches, so, ok, who did RU promote as the 4th coach (even "acting")? Of course it could also be due to the terms of how Vivian is getting the time off, either you are working or using sick days (or leave or whatever). Or just the decision of the administration.
Some folks seem to miss that Tim Eatman did have 4 years head coaching experience, at UIC around the turn of the century (love that phrase). He was not successful, maxing at at a .500 record his last year.
I thought he looked ok in his past relief stints, while I haven't seen RU this year from what I read folks are not impressed. But, like others have said, given the situation, he has to get his chance.
As to what Madhat has said repeatedly, and I agree - there is a small group that comes to this board to find fault regardless. They want a program that does not take resources from football, men's basketball, wrestling, etc. and they want a program that shows a good return on investment (the more the coach makes the more often the team should be in the top 25). They think the team should be in the top 25 given it is a major program with a legendary coach and anything else is failure.
I have more modest expectations - I expect a winning program that makes the NCAA's regularly and can advance; that contends for conference championships as well. By my standards, Rutgers has been ok. Would I like more success - yes, but am I at "woe is Rutgers" status (prior to this year) absolutely not. I survived 9 win and 6 win seasons that followed (and were followed by) 19/20 win seasons.
It's unfortunate that someone chooses to misrepresent my opinions on here, but I feel like I need to be clear and reiterate, for those who may take that misrepresentation as my actual words, that my stance was always about respect for CVS. I always called for fairness when it came to CVS' job status and unwarranted calls for her to be removed. Under the current situation, as you may have read, I call for what is warranted.
I just believe she was worthy of the time and opportunity to play this out the way she has decided to. So far this season, the results are unacceptable. If CVS or Tim can't fix what we saw yesterday, then it will be time for them to move on. She will have had the opportunity to get it done in the new facilities and see if she could build on her recent momentum of the last four seasons. That's all I've been asking for since joining this forum. If things continue like they are so far this season, then that momentum is out the window and CVS' time as coach should come to a close. I'm all about fairness.
Whenever I talked about her absence from the team, I expressed hopes that she would rejoin the team at the start of the season. That's all I could do without inside info. is hope. I also expressed my opinion that her being away over the summer may not be the worst thing, if things worked out as hoped that she would return right before the start of the season, being that she conducts such long grueling practices. there's less chance that the players get burned out. Just my opinion. No anger toward anyone thinking otherwise. Those without inside info could only speculate on what was going on.
If you ask me, .......Who's to say that if CVS was back, that the team would look much different, offensively. We all know that wasn't necessarily her strength. I feel like we're seeing a reverting back to some of her old offenses of the past.
I'm all about fairness. I call 'em like I see 'em.
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I was told last night at the men's game that some of the transfers never even met CVS. If true that is sad for those girls and the rest of the team.
I heard something similar and if that is true there are no excuses. Still want to know what was shared with the team last spring that precipitated so many to transfer. Heard multiple accounts didn't put much validity to them until CVIV stepped away this year.
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No one is not or has not respected CVS her accomplishments here and before of course speak for themselves but when a top coach is being paid top dollars and her team has been underperforming for years now as we have not won an NCAA game in at least 6 years; There comes a time when it is time for someone to retire and of course her time has come and gone.
Of course she as I have stated basically has held Rutgers hostage with this new contract as she is going to get paid no matter what as she will eventually move into an administrative position which again as we know will be in title only. In the meantime womens basketball will be sinking further into the abyss and it will take a while now for us to come out of that deep hole no matter who is coaching next year. Quite frankly we will be lucky to field a team next year
If true, it is extremely unfortunate. Without knowing what is actually going on with CVS, that's all I can say about that. With the statement made by the University, I still feel like I need to know more to be able to pass judgement on CVS and her absence.
We can all have our own hunches of what is going on with CVS, but for me, I have no problem saying that I flat out don't know. With that said, I won't jump to a conclusion that she is being selfish or non-caring toward the transfers. I have nothing to lead me to make any assumptions.
I can respect your opinion regarding CVS' coaching status. It's perfectly fine for people to have an opinion on who they would like to lead a program. I thought I was clear when voicing my displeasure with comments that questioned her character and disregarded the recent successes(however limited) that the program has benefited from. Without the recent successes of the past season, we don't have the seven transfers choose to play here and we enter the season with 7 or 8 players, mostly sophomores who never really played last year.
So, you think she's holding the University hostage and is out to bilk them out of their money. I am just willing to be patient and see how things play out rather than make any assumptions about her having selfish motives especially when I have nothing that leads me to see her as a selfish person.
Coming off of last season and the 3 or 4 seasons before it, I did not see cause for CVS' job to be in jeopardy. Just my opinion. After the start of this season, I feel differently, but I didn't put the cart before the horse. I waited to see how things played out, just as Tim deserves the opportunity to see if he can get it fixed and even take us to a higher level.
CVS' and Tim's coaching futures at RU are tied together and all I ever asked of people on this forum is to be fair and let things play out. We'll get our answers to this situation very soon.
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🤦🏻♂️ (After 36 seasons of following RU WBB that emoji is all i got). At least there’s the RUMBB team for a ray of sunshine (I hope).
I hate to say it but if you crater this season badly enough, even a HOF legend at the very clear end of her career might not be enough.
Ponder that…scary!😵💫
I hate to say it but if you crater this season badly enough, even a HOF legend at the very clear end of her career might not be enough.
Ponder that…scary!😵💫
I don't frequent the women's board much, but happen to see they lost their first game on ESPN app. Just doing a little research on Stony Brook. SB has been 66-17 the last 3 years, 2018-19 23-8, '19-20 28-3, 20-21 15-6. Stony Brook lost to the eventual Runner Up Arizona in the first round. 4-0 this year. SB's coach left for George Washington, AE to A10. They hired a coach from James Madison who was 91-31 the last 4 years.
Wouldn't this be the equivalent of the men losing to a Belmont or Liberty? Kind of why most P6 conferences don't schedule teams like that.
Wouldn't this be the equivalent of the men losing to a Belmont or Liberty? Kind of why most P6 conferences don't schedule teams like that.
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I have no way to gauge how good some random team is vs RU, but I will give you props for silver lining the whole mess! 👏🏼👏🏼
And through 4 games, the 5 Stony Brook starters are a combined 26-54 from 3. 48.1%.... That kind of shooting helps....
Helps a ton.
Stony Brook is a testament to the growing parity in wcbb regarding teams outside of the 5 or 6 teams. The Belmont's, Dakotas, SW Missouris, etc. have to be reckoned with. SB is just another one of those. They are a well disciplined, confident, capable, well-coached team that shoots the three well.
They would beat a lot of teams in the Big Ten and be able to compete with all but Md, and Indy, IMO. Teams have to play their A game to beat them and we sure did not.
Another example that comes to mind was Troy( I think it was) that had Texas A&M beaten until the refs handed it over to Texas A&M. They looked like they could compete with anyone last year during the tourney.
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I've had time to recover from the last game and even regain faith in the team and coach. After reflecting, I realize that the last game, although extremely painful to watch, should serve as the wake-up call that all involved must step their games up. Coaches, players, and even we, the fans must persevere at a time like this and come out stronger than ever.. The fan support can go a long way in lifting the team to where we want them to be.
Stony Brook was a good team that taught us some lessons to grow from. Hopefully, we use the lessons of that game to really get better. SB should help in the prep for our upcoming game with Depaul. Similar style teams, disciplined, well-coached, usually decent from 3. Depaul is probably better(stronger) around the basket with A. Morrow.
But our first order of business is Harvard. Looking forward to seeing our crew make some big time adjustments and renew our confidence in the season.
Stony Brook was a good team that taught us some lessons to grow from. Hopefully, we use the lessons of that game to really get better. SB should help in the prep for our upcoming game with Depaul. Similar style teams, disciplined, well-coached, usually decent from 3. Depaul is probably better(stronger) around the basket with A. Morrow.
But our first order of business is Harvard. Looking forward to seeing our crew make some big time adjustments and renew our confidence in the season.
Do not fall into a trap of comparing DePaul and Stony Brook. They are unlikely to be comparable.
Stony Brook is a good team for its level, and perhaps can be over-looked by a better opponent (I'm not saying that is what happened). But in any case, Stony Brook plays in a very weak conference. They are apparently considered a possible conference champion, we will see. They are not more than that.
Stony Brook is a good team for its level, and perhaps can be over-looked by a better opponent (I'm not saying that is what happened). But in any case, Stony Brook plays in a very weak conference. They are apparently considered a possible conference champion, we will see. They are not more than that.
