I believe with what Hobbs is doing in this athletic department we will have a new and more than competent head coach next year. We are not going to win any more games this year. And like all our other sports if we can keep the good girls home this program can be top ten in no time just look at U of Florida I believe they were in a final four within 4 years when they started as a program
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Yes, we know, this has only been discussed 1,009 times now but you're spot-on. Fully expect a change at the top of this program.
A change is needed, but more funding is needed as well. . Goodale is the exception - what he did singlehandedly is just amazing.
Wrestling is the case study that, IMHO, ALL of our "Olympic" sports should use to build themselves (without waiting another 4+ years to be fully vest with the B1G).
Women's lacrosse is going to be tough now. Usual story for us- as we should have been building the program over the last 30 years, the sport has exploded and a large number of schools now are sponsoring the sport and have invested well in it. Sad the head start we had and never took advantage. Now we are playing catch-up with some world class schools that got in the game.
We must continue to grow and invest always in our men's side, as sooner or later, the growth at the youth levels is going to start happening at the college level. By that time, we need to be more than fully operational, invested, and successful. We are trending in the right direction now and more is always going to be needed if we want to win big and sustain it.
We must continue to grow and invest always in our men's side, as sooner or later, the growth at the youth levels is going to start happening at the college level. By that time, we need to be more than fully operational, invested, and successful. We are trending in the right direction now and more is always going to be needed if we want to win big and sustain it.
I don't have daughters but I do see the growth at the youth level as my boy's club progam has a girl's side too.
When my guys are done practice the girls are starting or vice versa. Every year I see more and more girls doing this.
It can happen here.
It can, itsjustgoing to be much harder now. Schools like SC, Florida, Staford, etc. are in the game in a big way now. The advantage we had is long gone.
Somebody said that about Wrestling once too.
I think there is a girl's LAX version of Goodale in NJ right now. More than one actually.
Maybe, but the point is schools aren't adding wrestling. In fact, a number have dropped it. The competition for wrestlers isn't increasing. You can argue it is decreasing. That is the exact opposite for women's lacrosse.
Schools are adding women's lacrosse. Big time schools who are funding it properly. Again, it can be done, but the amount of effort, investment and work is going to be much more than it was even 10 years ago.
Goodall has been amazing, but if we are expecting those kind of results with that same bare bones strategy across the board, there are going to be some unsatisfied people.
Schools are adding women's lacrosse. Big time schools who are funding it properly. Again, it can be done, but the amount of effort, investment and work is going to be much more than it was even 10 years ago.
Goodall has been amazing, but if we are expecting those kind of results with that same bare bones strategy across the board, there are going to be some unsatisfied people.
I would hardly call Goodale's strategy "bare bones" and, as a supporter of the program who knows some of its very, very big supporters, I take slight insult to that comment my friend. Goody and all those involved have busted their living asses off to get this program to where it is and, YES, it's a GREAT example for all Olympic programs at RU to follow. Now....it might not be necessary in some sports (see: soccer), and once we're fully vested in 4 years the game will change in a major way, but sports like women's lax, field hockey, swimming, crew, baseball and softball, etc etc, IMHO, could all benefit in a major way following wrestling's example. [cheers]
All I meant with the Goodale reference was that like him we have some darn good Girl's LAX coaches in NJ already and maybe we go that route going forward.
His results didn't happen over night but they did happen. He had a plan and I would hope the new or future (like BB had on the Men's side) Women's LAX coach has one too. And this one will have some of the benefit of the more funding.
No slight intended. I know I read an article where he asked not to have certain things. Is the wrestling program fully funded?
I believe wrestling still has a way to go before it can be fully fully funded (OOS). It's a lot closer than a few years ago, though. Around the turn of the century, didn't we have just a couple schollies to give out?
Which is sort of point, especially as it relates to women's lacrosse. Schools that started programs fully funded them immediately and have now taken control of the sport. NW isn't that old in the grand scheme, and Florida is very new. USC just started their program and they are in top 5. Oregon, Stanford are on the way, along with the other B1G schools who have or are taking it seriously.
Goodall is a needle in a haystack to me. Like everything at this level, to have a chance, you need big funding and great coaching. If there is a high school coach in NJ who can compete with the coaches at the highest level, who are they?
McDonough School hasn't lost in years and is the best high school program in the country ever and I bet their coach would have a hard time building a college program without everything in place.
Goodall is a needle in a haystack to me. Like everything at this level, to have a chance, you need big funding and great coaching. If there is a high school coach in NJ who can compete with the coaches at the highest level, who are they?
McDonough School hasn't lost in years and is the best high school program in the country ever and I bet their coach would have a hard time building a college program without everything in place.
Goodale brought Scottie Winston in with him, which brought a lot of excitement to the program. He made a lot of changes over the years, but much of that couldn't happen without the outside support of donors and the SKWC and whatnot. NJ is a prime wrestling state. HS fans go nuts over the sport.
Can the same truly be said for women's lacrosse? Could we bring in a women's coach that can rally up even a portion of that financial and fan support above, which will help make changes to the program year by year to make us more competitive? I know we're in a good area for lacrosse. I know I see top kids all the time, even in Rutgers' own backyard, go to smaller schools around us. With lacrosse being pretty big still in the higher incomes areas of NJ/NY/MD, I'm thinking it could possibly happen. I just don't know enough about girls lacrosse throughout the state to make a definitive statement on it. Your thoughts, Cali?
Can the same truly be said for women's lacrosse? Could we bring in a women's coach that can rally up even a portion of that financial and fan support above, which will help make changes to the program year by year to make us more competitive? I know we're in a good area for lacrosse. I know I see top kids all the time, even in Rutgers' own backyard, go to smaller schools around us. With lacrosse being pretty big still in the higher incomes areas of NJ/NY/MD, I'm thinking it could possibly happen. I just don't know enough about girls lacrosse throughout the state to make a definitive statement on it. Your thoughts, Cali?
I know NJ produces a lot of women's talent, as do other states now. Rutgers from what I can see isn't getting a large number of good players from the state.
I would be very skeptical of going the high school route. I don't know enough about the high school game especially in NJ, but that is a crapshoot imo. If serious, you go and get an assistant from Maryland, NW or Florida. I think there is something to be said for people that have been around winning at this level. It isn't a guarantee, but its a good start.
Then you think about funding, facilities, etc. We know some of that has already been assessed.
I would be very skeptical of going the high school route. I don't know enough about the high school game especially in NJ, but that is a crapshoot imo. If serious, you go and get an assistant from Maryland, NW or Florida. I think there is something to be said for people that have been around winning at this level. It isn't a guarantee, but its a good start.
Then you think about funding, facilities, etc. We know some of that has already been assessed.
Here's the thing: colleges are adding lax, across the nation, but so are high schools. All over the place, shit even Hoboken schools are playing lax now, and there are a lot more high schools than colleges. My point? There's a place for us as more and more high schools, townships (my hometown just started playing lax a few years ago and I'm from a middle-to-upper-middle-class suburban high school), et al, take up the sport, and more and more kids become better at it, et al, so I'm not too worried so long as we put the effort out there.
For future reference the great purge of college wrestling by Title 9 ended sometime around 1992. It's been pretty stable since then. So your premise that you can argue competition is decreasing for wrestlers is false. Unless we're talking about 20 yrs. ago which you clearly weren't.
Like Cali said I think in this case you have to go to the Maryland or Northwestern coaching tree and pluck an up and coming to top assistant and like in football or basketball if you keep the top recruits home in Jersey you will have a top ten program in no time.
posted this a few weeks ago. Coach Knobloch has an impressive resume. No clue if she's interested in coaching at the college level.
http://www.moorestownglax.com
Another non-competitive disaster yesterday, albeit against a great team. Laura's an alum and a cool person, but it's way past time for new leadership with the women's lacrosse program.
?? We're not winning any tournaments. This is a bad team, and a lousy program, but they fought and pulled off a hard win in the next-to-last home game for the seniors. No reason not to be happy for them so I'm not really sure what your attempting with you comment?
Fantastic Win over tOSU. Still though, back up the truck, and clean out the joint.
The Women's Coach at Towson or the Assistant from Princeton would be my first two calls.
The Women's Coach at Towson or the Assistant from Princeton would be my first two calls.
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