Would you rather be in the B1G or ACC?
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The ACC sucks (because of how they handled expansion and screwed us) but, yeah, I'd rather travel up and down the East Coast to games.
Money-wise.. and for the academic angles.. Big Ten is a better deal.
If you think the B1G is too tough for RU, the ACC would be a good choice.
Being with BC,Syracuse and Pitt in the middle of pack would be the reward.
Don't think RU would be in the same class as Clemson, Florida St (when they get their **** together), Miami and VT if you think OSU,PSU, MSU and the other B1G nasties will always have Rutgers number and the conference is too strong for the Scarlet Knights.
Why not just beg the AAC to take RU and stop looking for an easier conference.
Until the Rutgers Administration puts in the funding needed to make RU Sports competitive, every P-5 Conference will have teams RU can 't compete against and that includes the ACC.
Rutgers is a B1G school , just needs to grow into being a good B1G program.
Right now the ACC would be a challenge the way the Scarlet Knights Football and MBB programs are. Running away from being a bad B1G program won't make RU a great ACC program.
RU ( as it stands now) would have trouble being competitive with the top ACC programs and maybe a Syracuse type ACC team.
Being with BC,Syracuse and Pitt in the middle of pack would be the reward.
Don't think RU would be in the same class as Clemson, Florida St (when they get their **** together), Miami and VT if you think OSU,PSU, MSU and the other B1G nasties will always have Rutgers number and the conference is too strong for the Scarlet Knights.
Why not just beg the AAC to take RU and stop looking for an easier conference.
Until the Rutgers Administration puts in the funding needed to make RU Sports competitive, every P-5 Conference will have teams RU can 't compete against and that includes the ACC.
Rutgers is a B1G school , just needs to grow into being a good B1G program.
Right now the ACC would be a challenge the way the Scarlet Knights Football and MBB programs are. Running away from being a bad B1G program won't make RU a great ACC program.
RU ( as it stands now) would have trouble being competitive with the top ACC programs and maybe a Syracuse type ACC team.
If the ACC is so good: Why did Maryland leave [jumpingsmile]
Old BE rivals can be replaced with new B1G ones.
Maryland comes to mind and Indiana might not be a bad one until RU gets to be the type of program that MSU,PSU and OSU fans look at as competition.
Michigan is another program that RU fans like to hate. Rutgers just has to be competitive and new rivalries will replace the old BE ones
Old BE rivals can be replaced with new B1G ones.
Maryland comes to mind and Indiana might not be a bad one until RU gets to be the type of program that MSU,PSU and OSU fans look at as competition.
Michigan is another program that RU fans like to hate. Rutgers just has to be competitive and new rivalries will replace the old BE ones
ACC better deal. Regional rivalry , less travel, driving distance away games easier competition. Rather play Wake Forest than Northwestern, Florida State than Nebraska, etc...
It's all what you get used to. There were no rivalries that included Rutgers when the Big East started. We didn't belong there at the time, but they developed. Miami and VT had no history playing eastern schools and the eastern schools had no history playing us. Pitt and BC were lowering themselves to play us in the late 80s and when the conference began. Remember when beating Pitt was a milestone for the program? We didn't even have a rivalry with Syracuse. But we stepped up and rivalries developed. This is just a bigger step up, and it's a down couple of years for us at a time when the B1G is experiencing one of its greatest highs. We came into the conference on par with several other members, and I think we'll be right there very soon -- in the middle of the pack.
We're very lucky to be given this chance. I like where it will take us. The rest of the country has just started to consider us a P5 school -- and only because of B1G membership. People will get used to that too. The money will come. The recruits will come. We will be right there in the middle of the B1G, and we will be competitive.
People forget we never really competed with Miami. It was a guaranteed L on the schedule every year. We got killed by Pitt every year in the years leading up to the conference and in its first years.
Academically, there's no question. Membership in the B1G catapulted Penn State's ranking in the last 20 years to a point where it surpassed RU. In just a few years it has already paid off for Rutgers academically. The B1G affiliation is about much more than sports.
We're very lucky to be given this chance. I like where it will take us. The rest of the country has just started to consider us a P5 school -- and only because of B1G membership. People will get used to that too. The money will come. The recruits will come. We will be right there in the middle of the B1G, and we will be competitive.
People forget we never really competed with Miami. It was a guaranteed L on the schedule every year. We got killed by Pitt every year in the years leading up to the conference and in its first years.
Academically, there's no question. Membership in the B1G catapulted Penn State's ranking in the last 20 years to a point where it surpassed RU. In just a few years it has already paid off for Rutgers academically. The B1G affiliation is about much more than sports.
ACC is more focus on Basketball than football , and it always has been and always will be. The conference is also focus on North Carolina as it has 4 schools from that state. Many of their schools has the following in common, Basketball 1st, many are private, Southern.
The only thing Rutgers has in common with them is that Rutgers used to play some of those schools when they were in the Big East, which most people hated being in.... erm.. yep that's it!
Now let's look at the Big Ten....
The Big Ten are nearly all Large Land Grant Research focus schools. Just like Rutgers
Most are Flagship State Universities. Just like Rutgers
Most are members of the AAU. Just like Rutgers
Most are Football 1st schools. Just like Rutgers
Most have been Football for an extremely long time. Just like Rutgers
Most have strong Wrestling programs. Just like Rutgers
All Schools are located in the North. Just like Rutgers
Look EVERYONE with a brain knew that it was going to take time before we caught up with the rest of the Big Ten but there is no reason that Rutgers can't hang with and beat most Big Ten teams in football because, you know WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW. That's shouldn't change in the future, if anything we should be able to add more schools to the list. You also need to grow a pair and know that we may rarely or never beat the elite schools. If Rutgers was in the ACC (yuck) the same could be said of Clemson. The same can be said of MOST Big Ten schools, they may never be able to beat OSU either. Just like most SEC schools can't beat Bama. That is College Football. Deal with it!
The We are Doomed crowd must have said that Rutgers didn't belong in the Big East whenever we lost big time to Da'U or lost for the infinite timed to West Virginia. In fact I remember the same trolls saying that Rutgers should drop out of the Big East like Temple and join the Patriot League. Trolls will be trolls and fans overreact to any lost like it is the end of the world.
It is what it is.
We are in the only conference that Rutgers actually wanted to be in. The one that we belong in.
The only thing Rutgers has in common with them is that Rutgers used to play some of those schools when they were in the Big East, which most people hated being in.... erm.. yep that's it!
Now let's look at the Big Ten....
The Big Ten are nearly all Large Land Grant Research focus schools. Just like Rutgers
Most are Flagship State Universities. Just like Rutgers
Most are members of the AAU. Just like Rutgers
Most are Football 1st schools. Just like Rutgers
Most have been Football for an extremely long time. Just like Rutgers
Most have strong Wrestling programs. Just like Rutgers
All Schools are located in the North. Just like Rutgers
Look EVERYONE with a brain knew that it was going to take time before we caught up with the rest of the Big Ten but there is no reason that Rutgers can't hang with and beat most Big Ten teams in football because, you know WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW. That's shouldn't change in the future, if anything we should be able to add more schools to the list. You also need to grow a pair and know that we may rarely or never beat the elite schools. If Rutgers was in the ACC (yuck) the same could be said of Clemson. The same can be said of MOST Big Ten schools, they may never be able to beat OSU either. Just like most SEC schools can't beat Bama. That is College Football. Deal with it!
The We are Doomed crowd must have said that Rutgers didn't belong in the Big East whenever we lost big time to Da'U or lost for the infinite timed to West Virginia. In fact I remember the same trolls saying that Rutgers should drop out of the Big East like Temple and join the Patriot League. Trolls will be trolls and fans overreact to any lost like it is the end of the world.
It is what it is.
We are in the only conference that Rutgers actually wanted to be in. The one that we belong in.
During the first year in the B1G, we went 8-4 with a victory over Michigan and a last second loss to State Penn. (The blue bloods in this conference have bad years from time to time.) Coach Fudd had some bad recruiting classes and the program is where it is now. His poor recruiting should not be the reason to feel that our school (and my alma mater) do not belong in B1G. Our full share should come soon and Ash needs more time to undo the Flood damage.
Somebody above made a good point. The B1G is VERY strong right now, with a couple unstoppable monster teams at the top. That won't always be the case, just a couple years ago we beat a Hoke-coached Michigan team... came a hair away from beating PSU.
We just need to seriously upgrade our recruiting. That's the one thing I am very disappointed with Coach Ash. He is not recruiting anywhere near as well as I hoped and something needs to be done about that. We have no chance to compete in either the ACC or the B1G if we don't upgrade our recruiting immediately.
We just need to seriously upgrade our recruiting. That's the one thing I am very disappointed with Coach Ash. He is not recruiting anywhere near as well as I hoped and something needs to be done about that. We have no chance to compete in either the ACC or the B1G if we don't upgrade our recruiting immediately.
How about starting this thread in August and not moments prior to an impending beat down?? Results would be VERY different.
Yes it would. Money allows you to hire more qualified coaches with better resume's and acquire nicer facilities. If you should make a mistake on a hire, money allows you to move on quicker from that bad decision. We have no money thus are forced to hire coordinators, unknowns or retreads hoping to find lighting in a bottle. If they don't work out we're forced to keep them longer than necessary so the buyout is lessened. This is how the blue bloods stay on top. If they make a mistake boosters pony up and move on to the next quickly.
Big 10 for football and ACC for basketball. To choose one definitely big 10. To play penn state, Michigan, Ohio state every year is an honor. When and if we ever win one of these games such as against Michigan several years ago, life will be great and much more
Meaningful than a win against Clemson, Florida state or Miami etc
Meaningful than a win against Clemson, Florida state or Miami etc
The ACC is a garbage league composed of spare parts pasted together with Disney money. The B1G is one of the country's two most stable conferences and will endure in its present form long after the cable money dries up. I can't believe the ACC is getting more than, like, two votes in this poll.
Stupid poll we waited 100 years to get into a conference like this and now that we are in we have some that want to take their ball and go home to a lesser conference.
The athletic department is projected to loose $38.6 M this year. Where might the money come from to hire your dream coach and coordinators, seriously?
Expansion and conference consolidation has destroyed competition.
The top 10 teams play for real, the bottom 90 play for their fun.
The BE was great for northeast football. Expansion killed it, and with that northeast interest in college football. No Pitt, Cuse, BC and Va Tech amd West Virginia. Damn.
The underlying premise behind many of the comments is that since we can't compete with the traditional powers like OSU and Michigan then maybe we're in the wrong conference. I think that's mistaken . We should ascribe to be like an Iowa . They don't recruit at an elite level or live in a fertile recruiting area, and don't expect to be challenging for a Big ten division or conference title every year. But they are competitive with everyone and every once in a while pull off a surprising result, like last year when the stormed over OSU. There is no reason why we can't strive for or expect that level of success, especially being in a great recruiting area like NJ.
What many are overlooking is that it takes years to build a sustainable successful football presence unless you're located in a great area like Florida . It's not like basketball where one great recruiting class of 4-5 guys can get the ball rolling. Since resources are limited, it's also very hard to have highly successful programs in basketball and football. You probably can count on one hand those schools that have been able to pull it off. Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford , Oregon , Florida and OSU come to mind . Possibly others on occasion. Rutgers is trying to build up its football and basketball programs at the same time without having the benefit of a full Big Ten share of revenues. It's not easy and we can see the results....
What many are overlooking is that it takes years to build a sustainable successful football presence unless you're located in a great area like Florida . It's not like basketball where one great recruiting class of 4-5 guys can get the ball rolling. Since resources are limited, it's also very hard to have highly successful programs in basketball and football. You probably can count on one hand those schools that have been able to pull it off. Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford , Oregon , Florida and OSU come to mind . Possibly others on occasion. Rutgers is trying to build up its football and basketball programs at the same time without having the benefit of a full Big Ten share of revenues. It's not easy and we can see the results....
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We’re not spending $5+ mil on a HC whether we have a full share or not. This is our lot now. We’re the doormat of the B1G with our only hope being that we beat up on a weak OOC schedule and find a way to beat a few other dogs in the B1G to get 6-7 wins. It’s not about giving Ash time — it’s about the school making a real commitment to be great. That’s clearly not the case.
Culturally and academically we belong in the B1G. Pitt, Fruit U and Fredo will always be misfits in that conference. Always.
A northeast sports conference focused on both football and basketball could be among the best in the country. Unfortunately, the Big East was always going to be dominated by catholic schools w/o FBS programs.
Sorry I’m not enjoying these ass kickings. I had my fill during the Shea years. At this point I’d prefer to attempt to be king of the dipshits as opposed to being reminded every other week of what RU football will never be.
For all sports? No, the B1G is obviously superior. But for football alone? Yes, I’d rather be back there. We are never going to play for a NC and may have a shot at a B1G title once every 30 years.
At least in the AAC we could hope to become a Houston or UCF or Boise State type program.
quite quite honestly this may be one of the dumbest questions ever posed on this board. It's no wonder we are laughing stock
Almost as much fun as was reading the Round Table post games threads.
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The acc is the second tier. I’d rather lose to the big boys than being the tallest midget.
This may shock you, but I don't give a damn about the Athletic Department. I care about Football and Men's Basketball (just like 95% of the rest of the public). And Football breaks even. It's not Football's fault that the chess club (and pretty much everything else) loses money.
And even if Football did lose money, a successful football program is the single best and least expensive advertising the school has available. A smart school administration (in other words, not Rutgers) would pay anything it had to in order to make its Football team a perennial contender because perennial contenders get increased school applications, increased alumni buy-in, and increased donations.
What happened to the Rutgers fans I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest opportunity in our history, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to play in the Big Ten, we might get beat." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Kansas, we'll kill them! Buffalo, dead! Indiana, dead!
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From a pure football perspective, I've always said I preferred the ACC, for one very selfish reason. I like to go to 1-2 away games per year, but that's much harder in the B1G, as only PSU, OSU, and MD are easy driving distance (<8 hours), whereas the ACC has BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT, UVA, UNC, NCS, WF, and Duke all within 8 hours drive. I'd also rather be playing our historical rivals BC, Cuse and Pitt over most of the BIG schools.
I get that the money is better and the CIC is better, so I'm not complaining in any way about being in the B1G, but from a football perspective, I'd rather be in the ACC.
