WrestleStat Rankings - Week 5 2018-2019

[andegre]

As expected, there's quite a bit of movement in this weeks rankings after the CKLV tournament last weekend.

Looking through these, there are a couple confusing movements, but keep in mind that the low number of match results for some wrestlers will skew their ranking. Once a wrestler gets to the "equilibrium" match count [14], their ranking should become more accurate.

I'll provide an example where it's "tough" for the algorithm....Gable Steveson has propelled to #1 at 285 after an impressive start to his college career. He is currently 13 - 0 (12 - 0 vs D1) so he is ALMOST at his equilibrium, and rightfully-so, his ranking is pretty close to reality.

On-the-other-hand, Anthony Cassar from Penn State is also undefeated this year, where he just majored #6 Jordan Wood, while Cassar is still at #8. The reason for this is because he's well past his equilibrium match count, so those big upsets will not move the wrestler as much.

Here are the rankings for the week.

Wrestler Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/starters

Dual Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/dual

Tournament Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/tournament

Statistical Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/statistical

Don't forget you can project out the NCAA Championships for all top 120 placements to see who will win this year.

https://www.wrestlestat.com/tourney/projection

Lastly, the Pick'Em leaderboard has been updated for this week, and the race is getting a little tighter!

https://www.wrestlestat.com/pickem/leaderboard

 

[Abro1975]

125- Bresser still ranked over Sebatian Riviera ?

149- Micah Jordan still ranked over Ashnautl ?

133- DeSanto still ranked over Gomez?

All these higher ranked wrestlers lost to the lower ranked opponents only a few days ago.

I love the wrestlestat site, look at it a lot, but you guys do yourself a disservice with your ranking algorithms placing little emphasis on recent head to head results.

I tell my wrestling friends that the site's Functionality and robust data base is superior to and separates itself from Flowrestling and Intermat, but that it's ranking formula is regimented in an algorithm that few understand and apparently places little to no importance on recent head to head and common opponent results.

 

[c_husk]

As expected, there's quite a bit of movement in this weeks rankings after the CKLV tournament last weekend.

Looking through these, there are a couple confusing movements, but keep in mind that the low number of match results for some wrestlers will skew their ranking. Once a wrestler gets to the "equilibrium" match count [14], their ranking should become more accurate.

I'll provide an example where it's "tough" for the algorithm....Gable Steveson has propelled to #1 at 285 after an impressive start to his college career. He is currently 13 - 0 (12 - 0 vs D1) so he is ALMOST at his equilibrium, and rightfully-so, his ranking is pretty close to reality.

On-the-other-hand, Anthony Cassar from Penn State is also undefeated this year, where he just majored #6 Jordan Wood, while Cassar is still at #8. The reason for this is because he's well past his equilibrium match count, so those big upsets will not move the wrestler as much.

Here are the rankings for the week.

Wrestler Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/starters

Dual Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/dual

Tournament Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/tournament

Statistical Rankings: https://www.wrestlestat.com/rankings/statistical

Don't forget you can project out the NCAA Championships for all top 120 placements to see who will win this year.

https://www.wrestlestat.com/tourney/projection

Lastly, the Pick'Em leaderboard has been updated for this week, and the race is getting a little tighter!

https://www.wrestlestat.com/pickem/leaderboard

What do the green and red numbers next to wrestler rankings represent?

 

[obrats]

What do the green and red numbers next to wrestler rankings represent?

The number of spots they moved up or down from last week.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

125- Bresser still ranked over Sebatian Riviera ?

149- Micah Jordan still ranked over Ashnautl ?

133- DeSanto still ranked over Gomez?

All these higher ranked wrestlers lost to the lower ranked opponents only a few days ago.

I love the wrestlestat site, look at it a lot, but you guys do yourself a disservice with your ranking algorithms placing little emphasis on recent head to head results.

I tell my wrestling friends that the site's Functionality and robust data base is superior to and separates itself from Flowrestling and Intermat, but that it's ranking formula is regimented in an algorithm that few understand and apparently places little to no importance on recent head to head and common opponent results.

What you should be telling your friends is that wrestlestat is not a week in and week out ranking service. It is a career ranking.

As such, Jordans 86% win rate and 56% bonus rate are better than Ashnault's 83.6% win rate and 43.6 bonus rate. Therefore wrestlestat is doing exactly what it is designed to do.

The problem with algorithms is that as soon as you start trying to change one thing to get an expected result, it makes other comparisons look off.

 

[Abro1975]

What you should be telling your friends is that wrestlestat is not a week in and week out ranking service. It is a career ranking.

As such, Jordans 86% win rate and 56% bonus rate are better than Ashnault's 83.6% win rate and 43.6 bonus rate. Therefore wrestlestat is doing exactly what it is designed to do.

The problem with algorithms is that as soon as you start trying to change one thing to get an expected result, it makes other comparisons look off.

I understand that, but wrestlestat does update the rank of the wrestlers every single week, and the wrestlers wrestle at a single moment in time, not in slow motion over their careers. lol. Like I said above, wrestlestat does themselves a disservice with their rankings. They send them out to message boards all over the country, and you hear the same comments about their odd way of calculating rankings, from every single site. I'm sure andre , obrats and others connected with this fine site get tired of having to explain their algorithms, which very few understand, and those that do understand, think this is an odd way to update weekly rankings. Their site shouldn't be dismissed or be disregarded because of their different way of ranking wrestlers than Intermat or Flow or Open Mat. Or maybe they should show 2 rankings, 1 over a career, and 1 for the current week. I don't think they need or should take a back seat to Intermat or Flow just because the rankings are so difficult for fans across the country to comprehend.

I think possibly they should do away with their rankings altogether, in order to avoid the weekly comments about the rankings, instead of concentrating on the strength of the site, which is the database and functionality of the site itself.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I understand that, but wrestlestat does update the rank of the wrestlers every single week, and the wrestlers wrestle at a single moment in time, not in slow motion over their careers. lol. Like I said above, wrestlestat does themselves a disservice with their rankings. They send them out to message boards all over the country, and you hear the same comments about their odd way of calculating rankings, from every single site. I'm sure andre , obrats and others connected with this fine site get tired of having to explain their algorithms, which very few understand, and those that do understand, think this is an odd way to update weekly rankings. Their site shouldn't be dismissed or be disregarded because of their different way of ranking wrestlers than Intermat or Flow or Open Mat. Or maybe they should show 2 rankings, 1 over a career, and 1 for the current week. I don't think they need or should take a back seat to Intermat or Flow just because the rankings are so difficult for fans across the country to comprehend.

I think possibly they should do away with their rankings altogether, in order to avoid the weekly comments about the rankings, instead of concentrating on the strength of the site, which is the database and functionality of the site itself.

Actually, people that do understand their rankings do most of the talking for them, usually. Like me.

I love it because it is different, but there are a bunch of people that don't have open enough minds to want to understand. Or, they get ticked off because their guy isn't ranked where they want him to be.

Those same people have at least five other ranking services that all look pretty much the same, yet want one more that will look the same as every other ranking service. Wrestlestat could just as easily be me-too's, do their rankings manually, and then we would have six ranking services that all look identical. Yippee!

 

[johnstownsteel]

Actually, people that do understand their rankings do most of the talking for them, usually. Like me.

I love it because it is different, but there are a bunch of people that don't have open enough minds to want to understand. Or, they get ticked off because their guy isn't ranked where they want him to be.

Those same people have at least five other ranking services that all look pretty much the same, yet want one more that will look the same as every other ranking service. Wrestlestat could just as easily be me-too's, do their rankings manually, and then we would have six ranking services that all look identical. Yippee!

Do you know if this algorism places more weight on current season results than prior ones or are they weighted the same? What I mean is, if you have two wrestlers that only faced each other the past two seasons....Wrestler A won by decision last year and then wrestler b won by decision this year. I think the most current decision should be weighted higher than the previous seasons result consider the ranking is for this year not last. So if those two wrestlers only wrestled those two matches and no others, wrestler b would be ranked higher even though they are both 1-1 against each other.

 

[KidDagger]

This algorithm is flawed if it doesn't put more emphasis on recent results over results from seasons ago.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Do you know if this algorism places more weight on current season results than prior ones or are they weighted the same? What I mean is, if you have two wrestlers that only faced each other the past two seasons....Wrestler A won by decision last year and then wrestler b won by decision this year. I think the most current decision should be weighted higher than the previous seasons result consider the ranking is for this year not last. So if those two wrestlers only wrestled those two matches and no others, wrestler b would be ranked higher even though they are both 1-1 against each other.

I do not believe there is a recency bias in the algorithm.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

This algorithm is flawed if it doesn't put more emphasis on recent results over results from seasons ago.

We will wait patiently for your perfect algorithm.

 

[Tango Two]

Fresh off its top-10 finish at the 2018 Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational, Rutgers wrestling is as high as No. 13 in national polls, which were released Tuesday. The Scarlet Knights are the No. 13 tournament team according to TrackWrestling and The Open Mat, and are also No. 14 in tournament rankings by Intermat and FloWrestling. In dual rankings, RU checks in at No. 15 by The Open Mat and No. 21 by Intermat.

For the first time this season, RU fell out of the NWCA Division I Wrestling Coaches Poll but is currently receiving votes.


https://scarletknights.com/news/2018/12/5/wrestling-rankings-update-week-5.aspx

 

[johnstownsteel]

I do not believe there is a recency bias in the algorithm.

Ok thank you. Hope you didn’t misunderstand. I absolutely love wrestlestat. Those guys put in a lot of work pretty much just out of love for the sport. It’s definitely a “go to” site for me daily.