TKR guys are way too harsh on Gavin

[arigoldrutgers]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

 

[e5fdny]

I wish we had a season from the QB position like the 2015 Laviano.

 

[arigoldrutgers]

I wish we had a season from the QB position like the 2016 Laviano.

Yes I wish we had a qb that led us to 2-10 and 0-9 in conference play

 

[e5fdny]

Yes I wish we had a qb that led us to 2-10 and 0-9 in conference play

60% completion rate/16 TDs + our running game + current defense + Schiano - Flood = not too shabby

 

[RuSnp]

I wish we had a season from the QB position like the 2016 Laviano.

2015 I think you mean but I agree.

 

[Plum Street]

I wish we had a season from the QB position like the 2016 Laviano.

Oh stop he stunk

I am not a huge GW fan. We need an upgrade in 24 and that can be an improved GW or something else.
Many people here talk about how great nova was in 14 …he led us to 8 wins and GW led us to 7 this year … And nova had a better supporting cast

 

[RUTGERS95]

Yes I wish we had a qb that led us to 2-10 and 0-9 in conference play

you need to learn more about this game and then opine. Remember what we tell kids to do before they speak

Gav has had more benefit of the doubt, less looking over his shoulder, more support, and less scrutiny by the coaches and local media than any RU qb I can remember. newsflash, he's awful and will be awful tomorrow. How anyone can say the worst qb in d1 under center for a team in the premier conference in the country has people being too harsh defies sensibilities of rational people

Gav is a kid that is athletic and has an arm that someone decided to try and make a qb. He's the shortstop you try to make a pitcher cause his arm is good but you shouldn't. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ashokan]

Gavin has 11 rushing TDs ( 3 more than Mongo) and is tied for 6th among P5 QBs.
Many RU fans wanted a dual option QB and then they got one.
Yet he never gets to run as much as he probably should (and as much as TV crews expect).
Now some are excited for a QB who is not much better passing.
You want the Subaru with Limited trim package or Limited XT?
Both are still Subarus

 

[e5fdny]

2015 I think you mean but I agree.

Yeah. Small iPhone and no glasses will do that. 🤷‍♂️

 

[vkj91]

What’s with this the mods are to hard on Gavin, the fans are to hard on him etc etc. when did this become pop Warner? These guys all wanted NIL, they all wanted pay for play, well they got it. You want to get paid like a pro expect to be treated like a pro.

 

[Knight Shift]

I wish we had a season from the QB position like the 2015 Laviano.

Seriously. What a swing and a miss taking a shot at Laviano. He was very good in 2015 until he was burned and reduced to Ashes in 2016. For some silly reason, last week I randomly thought about Ash having Tylin Oden trying to punch the ball in the end zone at the goal line against Iowa. Laviano was far from perfect, but he still holds the best season passing performance of a QB since 2015:

187/307 (60.9% 2247, 16 TD/12 INT.

 

[needmorecowbell]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

All QBs struggle. Many people forget that. PSU fans are questioning their QB after a bad game. Everyone, including the TKR guys, just want to focus on completion rate for Gaulin. There is so much more going on. Gavin limited turnovers, ran very well and is only scratching the surface of his abilities.

That all being said, Gavin has to play better. He needs to increase his competition rate and he needs to be more dangerous running the ball and keep the defense guessing. Now he will be forced to.

I’m interested to see what happens when Gavin has real competition this spring. Does he rise to the occasion or does he continue struggle with those situations? Either way this is good for the team.

 

[ruinac]

I don’t listen to podcasts and have no idea what was said. But I do know that a 66% adjusted completion rate is a lot better than 57%. A lot.

 

[needmorecowbell]

I don’t listen to podcasts and have no idea what was said. But I do know that a 66% adjusted completion rate is a lot better than 57%. A lot.

I did the math… it’s 9% points better

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

You mean the same Chris Laviano whose 2015 season that no RU QB has been able to surpass? Key reason why they hit the portal in the first place.

Which games did Gavin win on his own? This season was basically Kyle Monangai, the defense and special teams (in certain games) leading the way to victory. Gavin was part of those wins but he didn't really play a central role.

We'll just ignore the rest since you can't be taken seriously if you think a 9% difference is immaterial.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

The MN transfer isn’t much of a runner is he at 94 yards on the season (assume that number is net of sack yardage)? If I’m Ajani Shephard (sp?) I’m questioning roles and the plan for the offense. Dual threat or drop back passer.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

I don’t listen to podcasts and have no idea what was said. But I do know that a 66% adjusted completion rate is a lot better than 57%. A lot.

You should give them a listen. The information they cover in the podcasts gives you a better feel than anything written.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

You mean the same Chris Laviano whose 2015 season that no RU QB has been able to surpass? Key reason why they hit the portal in the first place.

Which games did Gavin win on his own? This season was basically Kyle Monangai, the defense and special teams (in certain games) leading the way to victory. Gavin was part of those wins but he didn't really play a central role.

We'll just ignore the rest since you can't be taken seriously if you think a 9% difference is immaterial.

I was at Indiana - that was Gavin’s game.

 

[Shelby65]

I did the math… it’s 9% points better

therefore, 9% = a lot

A duck !!

 

[rutgersal]

Athans resume isn’t that strong and he was slated to be replaced at Minnesota.

Athan Kaliakmanis 2023 Stats per Game - NCAAF - ESPN

The 2023 NCAAF season stats per game for Athan Kaliakmanis of the Minnesota Golden Gophers on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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Athan Kaliakmanis 2022 Stats per Game - NCAAF - ESPN

The 2022 NCAAF season stats per game for Athan Kaliakmanis of the Minnesota Golden Gophers on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

www.espn.com

You can take a look at his stats yourself.

 

[WhiteBus]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

Please stop. Adjusted rate?? What was everyone's else adjusted rate? Do you watch football? Do you watch Rutgers?? He is the worse passing QB who has played in 3 seasons.

 

[bitnez]

I get that some have an affinity for Gavin because he chose us, seems like a good kid, etc. That said, he’s basically been the worst P5 QB over the past 2 years. And we didn’t win 7 games because of him. We won 7 in spite of him. I have no idea if AK will be better but man it would be really hard to be worse.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don’t listen to podcasts and have no idea what was said. But I do know that a 66% adjusted completion rate is a lot better than 57%. A lot.

9% greater or 15.8% better percentage is significantly better, but such comparison are not that easy to make with different receivers and offenses.

 

[ruinac]

I did the math… it’s 9% points better

16% better.

9 percentage points.

 

[Extra Point]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

Plus the Minnesota receivers caught balls that would have gone into the non catchable %. They simply had better guys to throw to. In the Miami game GW had one over throw. GW is a better QB than some RU fans think. That being said, CB is about the same as GW. They are both solid and can win games.

 

[Knight Shift]

You mean the same Chris Laviano whose 2015 season that no RU QB has been able to surpass? Key reason why they hit the portal in the first place.

Which games did Gavin win on his own? This season was basically Kyle Monangai, the defense and special teams (in certain games) leading the way to victory. Gavin was part of those wins but he didn't really play a central role.

We'll just ignore the rest since you can't be taken seriously if you think a 9% difference is immaterial.

Led to victory and not leading to victory is such horseshit.

Lavs:
23/29 for 204 yards, 1 TD/1 INT against WSU, lost 37-24
18/25 for 201 yards 2 TD/2 INT against Kansas, won 27-14
15/24 for 208 yards, 3 TD/0 INT losing to #4 MSU
28/42 for 386 yards, 3 TD/1 INT to beat Indiana 55-52
21/33 for 344 yards 4 TD/1 IN loss to Maryland 46-41

To put those losses on the QB is silly.

Gavin did not break 200 yards in any game this year. He averaged 133 yards/game passing.
He has had exactly one game in his career where he passed for more than 200 yards, a loss to MSU in 2022.

That says one of two (or perhaps both) things. 1) He is not a very good passer; 2) the coaches are designing the offensive game plan to limit pass attempts.

Not exactly a recipe to win a lot of games.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

I was at Indiana - that was Gavin’s game.

Look at the drive charts. By the time Gavin ran for the 80 yd TD that made his stats look good Monangai had already rushed for over 100 yds and RU was winning the game by 10 thanks to a punt block TD.

Gavin's combined stats were 107 total yds (38 pass/69 rush) before the TD run. He didn't carry the game when it mattered and his box score misleads people into believing he did. He played a role in the win especially on the first drive where Monangai & him carried RU down the field.

 

[Jerseylegends]

People are too harsh on him, whether they want to admit it or not Wimsatt is part of the reason monangai and the offensive line looked so much better this year. Threat of him running makes defensive lines less aggressive. With that being said, he has to get in the lab starting yesterday and calibrate his passes. He's missing some easy throws while he has shown flashes. He should be having daily throwing sessions with a group of rotating receivers. The team seems to rally around him, don't know about the receivers though lol. Bringing in a transfer is good will put some fire under his a$$. Quarterback play will be better next year one way or the other. Also would like to see how Sheppard develops. But I've seen this guy play for Minnesota he should have some motivation as well to change that narrative around his play. Definitely not a lock that he's better than wimsatt. Lol but time will tell. Will be an interesting off season.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Led to victory and not leading to victory is such horseshit.

Lavs:
23/29 for 204 yards, 1 TD/1 INT against WSU, lost 37-24
18/25 for 201 yards 2 TD/2 INT against Kansas, won 27-14
15/24 for 208 yards, 3 TD/0 INT losing to #4 MSU
28/42 for 386 yards, 3 TD/1 INT to beat Indiana 55-52
21/33 for 344 yards 4 TD/1 IN loss to Maryland 46-41

To put those losses on the QB is silly.

Gavin did not break 200 yards in any game this year. He averaged 133 yards/game passing.
He has had exactly one game in his career where he passed for more than 200 yards, a loss to MSU in 2022.

That says one of two (or perhaps both) things. 1) He is not a very good passer; 2) the coaches are designing the offensive game plan to limit pass attempts.

Not exactly a recipe to win a lot of games.

Anyone using the QB's record at face value has a weak argument. There's so much that goes on in a game that a lot more context is needed.

On the Round Table we discussed Card and Sorsby weeks ago. And the first thing several brought up was their losing records made them non-starters (non pun intended) in any transfer discussion.

However, when you looked at their team's performances, it had nothing to do with the QBs like you showed with Laviano. Purdue & Indiana had two of the worst defenses in the conference. So those people got exposed like Ari above (post #3).

Of course, you're going to see Al spam tons of BS about Kaliakmanis over the coming days/weeks because Greg & Kirk just destroyed his whole offseason storyline and the dozen threads he started creating in his mind.

 

[Extra Point]

You mean the same Chris Laviano whose 2015 season that no RU QB has been able to surpass? Key reason why they hit the portal in the first place.

Which games did Gavin win on his own? This season was basically Kyle Monangai, the defense and special teams (in certain games) leading the way to victory. Gavin was part of those wins but he didn't really play a central role.

We'll just ignore the rest since you can't be taken seriously if you think a 9% difference is immaterial.

What in the world does that mean? lol

 

[Jerseylegends]

Gavin has 11 rushing TDs ( 3 more than Mongo) and is tied for 6th among P5 QBs.
Many RU fans wanted a dual option QB and then they got one.
Yet he never gets to run as much as he probably should (and as much as TV crews expect).
Now some are excited for a QB who is not much better passing.
You want the Subaru with Limited trim package or Limited XT?
Both are still Subarus

They had to bring in a QB either way because Simon left. Don't mind these guys the transfer is not a lock to start if you've seen him play. But you can't go into the season with Sheppard as your back up even if wimsatt keeps the job. When you don't have a star QB you need someone that can still win you games if the starter regresses..

 

[Knight Shift]

Anyone using the QB's record at face value has a weak argument. There's so much that goes on in a game that a lot more context is needed.

On the Round Table we discussed Card and Sorsby weeks ago. And the first thing several brought up was their losing records made them non-starters (non pun intended) in any transfer discussion.

However, when you looked at their team's performances, it had nothing to do with the QBs like you showed with Laviano. Purdue & Indiana had two of the worst defenses in the conference. So those people got exposed like Ari above (post #3).

Of course, you're going to see Al spam tons of BS about Kaliakmanis over the coming days/weeks because Greg & Kirk just destroyed his whole offseason storyline and the dozen threads he started creating in his mind.

I don't have a strong feeling on who plays QB. Like a lot of fans, it would be nice to see more of a passing game to balance the run game. None of what I said is meant to be harsh on Gavin. But it is evident they have designed the offensive playbook to emphasize the run game, supplemented by his running ability and minimize the pass game. It worked this year, but the TKR podcast guys are absolutely right that to take the next step(s) to 8 or more wins, we need a more balanced offensive attack.

 

[CERU00]

Gavin has 11 rushing TDs ( 3 more than Mongo) and is tied for 6th among P5 QBs.
Many RU fans wanted a dual option QB and then they got one.
Yet he never gets to run as much as he probably should (and as much as TV crews expect).
Now some are excited for a QB who is not much better passing.
You want the Subaru with Limited trim package or Limited XT?
Both are still Subarus

Most of those touchdowns were at the goal line and in those situations they usually go to the rb. Kyle should have, in fairness, been given the ball for some of those.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

They had to bring in a QB either way because Simon left. Don't mind these guys the transfer is not a lock to start if you've seen him play. But you can't go into the season with Sheppard as your back up even if wimsatt keeps the job.

Listen to the podcast, they basically had no competition when Gavin was named the starter this year.

So if the OC brings his prior QB from his last stop in, read the tea leaves.

It will go exactly how the "supposed Art Sitkowski/McClane Carter" competition went. You remember that one right? Art was in the lead all the way until the final week of training camp and then suddenly Carter jumped him. It was all a sham.

A B1G starter doesn't transfer to be a backup at the next school.

 

[jtung230]

It’s funny I never heard about the adjusted completion % until now. Do you also subtract the 50/50 jump balls that WRs made the catch? These guys are neck and neck. I just hope whoever isn’t the starter stays.

 

[jtung230]

Listen to the podcast, they basically had no competition when Gavin was named the starter this year.

So if the OC brings his prior QB from his last stop in, read the tea leaves.

It will go exactly how the "supposed Art Sitkowski/McClane Carter" competition went. You remember that one right? Art was in the lead all the way until the final week of training camp and then suddenly Carter jumped him. It was all a sham.

A B1G starter doesn't transfer to be a backup at the next school.

Unless they are losing their starting job to a transfer.

ETA I fully expect him to transfer again if he doesn’t get the start.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I don't have a strong feeling on who plays QB. Like a lot of fans, it would be nice to see more of a passing game to balance the run game. None of what I said is meant to be harsh on Gavin. But it is evident they have designed the offensive playbook to emphasize the run game, supplemented by his running ability and minimize the pass game. It worked this year, but the TKR podcast guys are absolutely right that to take the next step(s) to 8 or more wins, we need a more balanced offensive attack.

so to be clear for those keeping score, the tkr guys are regurgitating what a few of us have been saying most of the year...check lol
love to see the tide turn as was said it would

with a qb, we can be a 8 win team as we've got a GOOD team with some talent. Greg was good in using NIL to keep who we have that are vital. Now with a better qb, let's role!!!!!

 

[RUTGERS95]

Listen to the podcast, they basically had no competition when Gavin was named the starter this year.

So if the OC brings his prior QB from his last stop in, read the tea leaves.

It will go exactly how the "supposed Art Sitkowski/McClane Carter" competition went. You remember that one right? Art was in the lead all the way until the final week of training camp and then suddenly Carter jumped him. It was all a sham.

A B1G starter doesn't transfer to be a backup at the next school.

100% predetermined

 

[RUTGERS95]

Most of those touchdowns were at the goal line and in those situations they usually go to the rb. Kyle should have, in fairness, been given the ball for some of those.

cost him better national and media recognition

 

[RutgersDom]

The kid found a way to win 7 games and they act like he’s Chris Laviano.

Also in their latest podcast they talk about how Kaliakmanis is way better than Gavin if you account for adjusted pass rate (which accounts for dropped balls) because Kaliakmanis is at 66%, only to find out that Gavin’s adjusted rate is at 57%

Not that massive of a difference fellas.

Couldn't agree more, all year. AK is a nice add and will compete for the starting position. It will depend on how much GW improved in the offseason...May the best man win.