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Yeah really. When the committee says every year that they don't count bids, I guess we can believe them.Big East
G-RUnit noted that last night!Bac - why is the first 4 10 seeds this year and not 11 seeds
they had to be bumped up because Oregon/NC State had poor metric numbers that would not reflect 10 seedsBac - why is the first 4 10 seeds this year and not 11 seeds
Well the committee had them in until the last 2 bid stealers.Seton Hall didn’t deserve a bid.
4 conference wins Vs DePaul and GTown and their OOC schedule was horrendous.
Lost to USC / Iowa / Rutgers etc.
I’m getting tired of hearing about how the big east is so tough
If you take out four games against DePaul and Georgetown …they play a 16 game schedule …and it’s just not as grueling .
Now, having said that
Seton hall still went 9-7 outside DePaul and Georgetown …so it completely checked the boxes in their confrnce …but their out of confreence schedule … losses to Rutgers, Iowa and USC (a NIT team
And two sub .500 teams from the power 6)….that cost them a bid.
Big East was really hurt by the 2 absolutely terrible teams at the bottom of their conference - 3-29 DePaul and 9-23 Georgetown. That gave every decent BE team 4 automatic wins and really dragged down the conference ranking. Their bubble teams also had bad OCC losses - Nova lost to Drexel, St. joes and Penn; SHU lost to RU and USC, both bottom dwelling P5 teams; and SJU lost to an awful Michigan team.Seton Hall because they defeated UConn and finished fourth in the Big East.Its outrageous Big East only got three bids.
Big East was really hurt by the 2 absolutely terrible teams at the bottom of their conference - 3-29 DePaul and 9-23 Georgetown. That gave every decent BE team 4 automatic wins and really dragged down the conference ranking. Their bubble teams also had bad OCC losses - Nova lost to Drexel, St. joes and Penn; SHU lost to RU and USC, both bottom dwelling P5 teams; and SJU lost to an awful Michigan team.
I'm not going to argue UVA over a couple of teams, but the things people kept saying about Seton Hall beating UConn, but Clingan went out of that game early in the 2nd half. That margin of victory was inflated with Clingan missing the final 15 minutes of that game. Mix in a couple of missed games by Kadary Richmond and the OOC losses and the resume probably squeaks in most years.
I also think that losing to St John's at MSG in the Big East didn't help, because apparently St John's wasn't remotely close to a bid either. I think if they beat St John's and have a close loss to UConn the next night, they would have an iron-clad argument. The St John's resume was flimsy and aided by our local media people, pumping them up.
I agree with everything you said…. But eye test throws me off… lolBig East was really hurt by the 2 absolutely terrible teams at the bottom of their conference - 3-29 DePaul and 9-23 Georgetown. That gave every decent BE team 4 automatic wins and really dragged down the conference ranking. Their bubble teams also had bad OCC losses - Nova lost to Drexel, St. joes and Penn; SHU lost to RU and USC, both bottom dwelling P5 teams; and SJU lost to an awful Michigan team.
Virginia 2-7 in Q 1, strength of schedule 77,That 4-12 showed they do not win often
Just 2 wins vs teams in the field
Virginia was 8-3 in q2
I hear you but I don’t like the crossing of the quads. Quad 2 wins aren’t quad 1 wins. OK has twice the quad one wins. It’s like when Q4 wins used to be the worst, but then it started being Q3 and Q4 losses grouped together. Now it’s Q1 and 2 wins grouped together. Why not just have two groupings instead of 4? Bac you know those stuff way better than me, so I’m sure you’re right. I was just stating my case for OK being a better winning % in more games than VA. Splitting hairs for the last spot.That 4-12 showed they do not win often
Just 2 wins vs teams in the field
Virginia was 8-3 in q2
those Q1 wins were at Cincy and at UCF so we can debate the quality thereI hear you but I don’t like the crossing of the quads. Quad 2 wins aren’t quad 1 wins. OK has twice the quad one wins. It’s like when Q4 wins used to be the worst, but then it started being Q3 and Q4 losses grouped together. Now it’s Q1 and 2 wins grouped together. Why not just have two groupings instead of 4? Bac you know those stuff way better than me, so I’m sure you’re right. I was just stating my case for OK being a better winning % in more games than VA. Splitting hairs for the last spot.
thisThis is the problem when local media people who literally follow NFL 12 months of the year and can't name the starting 5 for St. Johns, Seton Hall or Providence, but have an audience, create a firestorm. It's frigging hilarious at this point and it's all Big East nonsense. None of these people said a word last year for RU.
and if they expand the same thing will happenNo such things as snubs once you get down to the last 4 teams in and out. There’s always a case for some and who gets in is immaterial.
Dayton says helloexactly..their ooc stuff was so damaging...they need to schedule tougher..thats why I keep saying RU has to schedule tougher...northwestern and Nebraska had poor ooc but they won what 21 and 23 games
msu got in at 18-14 because their sos was insane
yeah im at peace with last year..we freefalled and we had 4 Q3 losses and did nothing ooc with a poor sos oocSeton Hall is eerily similar to us last year. We both thought we were in, we gave SHU a bad loss at home similar to what they did to us last year at home, we both beat a number 1 team (ours on the road), and they were the 2nd team out. I remember even though we thought we were the biggest snub, we actually weren’t.
but they are in because the metrics were strong for them. thats the only way a 14 loss school can get inDayton says hello
New Mexico is in.Thought St John’s did enough but don’t mind Pitino on outside looking in.