0% chance that Eddie returns -- Thamel

[rulaw87]

Taking out the first season at ASU Sendek is averaging around 19 wins per year for his career. He has taken the three teams he has coached to at least the second round of the NCAA tournament and NC State to the Sweet 16. We would be lucky to have him come here given the current state of this program.

 

[RUskoolie]

The names listed would not excite fans, recruits or donors because they are low budget and lack the cache to stop the futility .Unless a coach like Sendek is hired Rutgers might as well keep Jordan for another year .Its the lesser of two evils for a program that has no relevance in college basketball right now.

This is my sticking point. People are screaming for change, pretending RU doesn't do hoops on the cheap. If they hire some loser from a tiny school this roster transfers, the new hire is a dead man walking and we see another single digit win season next year, with the same chucklehead calling for that guys head in Year 3 again. RU fans are going to get their wish but if they don't get a pretty good name (I have my doubts) the remaining fans will have screwed themselves out of seeing a pretty decent team next year (by RU standards) and "what if" will set in.

 

[bac2therac]

Same argument the Floodies were pulling

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

This is my sticking point. People are screaming for change, pretending RU doesn't do hoops on the cheap. If they hire some loser from a tiny school this roster transfers, the new hire is a dead man walking and we see another single digit win season next year, with the same chucklehead calling for that guys head in Year 3 again. RU fans are going to get their wish but if they don't get a pretty good name (I have my doubts) the remaining fans will have screwed themselves out of seeing a pretty decent team next year (by RU standards) and "what if" will set in.

yes my point (ex the chucklehead comment)...I want change BAD but not for change's sake. If we are not going BIG in the hire then save the cash, stick it out another year, expect better results with the team we'll have which should be significantly improved, and also remove ANY doubt about Jordan cause there will be ZERO excuses. (less I know there is impact to recruiting but I think this far outways that value)

 

[Plum Street]

Eddie should be fired . I think he will be , but not 100 percent sure . I can see this team winning a game or two in the BIG tourney and save his job .
I like the idea of sendek, just the way I liked the idea of al skinner a few years ago . Not sexy names , but solid and respectable track records.

 

[seels2662]

That is the worst list of candidates ever put in writing. There is not a single coach there that will bring us to a postseason before he is fired.

 

[MikeR0102]

You can't keep a basketball coach who doesn't win a conference game, just like you can't keep a football coach who goes winless, but we did that once upon a time, so what do I know.

 

[RickB113]

Same argument the Floodies were pulling

No BAC it is not the same argument. The Football program is light years ahead of the bball program and an attractive job. With all football had going for it we still were only able to hire a guy that 99% of the fanbase had never heard of. RU basketball has nothing going for it and you think we are going to end up with Sendek? If we have him locked up then I say do it. But I doubt we do. We need shovels in ground on new facilities when we make a change otherwise we are just throwing money away.

 

[bac2therac]

That is the worst list of candidates ever put in writing. There is not a single coach there that will bring us to a postseason before he is fired.

Sorry but you also said it would take months to hire a football coach and no one would want the job so lets keep Flood

 

[rutgersal]

Just to be clear the main reason I want Eddie back next season is because we would or will not be able to hire a component coach. I don't believe that anyone but Eddie is better like I did with Flood. It is a waste of money to buyout Eddie and hire ANY of the names that are being talked about. None of them will succeed without upgrades to facilities so we will be having the exact same conversation in 3 years and we will be out two million in buyout money for Eddie and then need another 2 million for the new guy. I would rather save the money on Eddies buyout and hope that by the end of next season we have a SET date on construction for the practice facility. We also then save 2 million dollars of buyout money on Eddie. Those two things would give us a chance to hire a good staff. That should be the plan. I also said that these last few blowouts might make that impossible to do which in the end is bad for us.

I agree with this completely. That said, looks like the winds of change are upon us. All I can do is shrug my shoulders. Bring on our next victim.

 

[RUskoolie]

That is the worst list of candidates ever put in writing. There is not a single coach there that will bring us to a postseason before he is fired.

And here lies the problem with this fanbase. We are no where NEAR a post season, nor will we be when we blown up this roster in a month, yet you guys want EJ fired and another clown hired and if he doesn't get the titantic floating again you'll want him fired.

Definition of insanity. AGAIN - THERE.WAS.A.REASON.HURLEY.WANTED.7.YEARS.

 

[megadrone]

Same argument the Floodies were pulling

Not really. Our support for the football program is LIGHT YEARS ahead of basketball, and we still brought in an assistant coach. With basketball, we're lucky if we don't look to the CYO (real CYO, not the Big East) ranks for our next coach. The closest we ever came to a name with our hire was Eddie and we still turned to him after Hurley was convinced we wouldn't support the program the way it had to be done. The same could still happen, especially with having to do a football buyout this year.

We played games with Hill on his firing and had no choice with Rice. Jordan isn't getting fired for cause, so it is possible that Hobbs is forced to let Eddie work out his contract (at least, in the Rutgers basketball universe, it's possible).

 

[ruman]

Not really. Our support for the football program is LIGHT YEARS ahead of basketball, and we still brought in an assistant coach. With basketball, we're lucky if we don't look to the CYO (real CYO, not the Big East) ranks for our next coach. The closest we ever came to a name with our hire was Eddie and we still turned to him after Hurley was convinced we wouldn't support the program the way it had to be done. The same could still happen, especially with having to do a football buyout this year.

We played games with Hill on his firing and had no choice with Rice. Jordan isn't getting fired for cause, so it is possible that Hobbs is forced to let Eddie work out his contract (at least, in the Rutgers basketball universe, it's possible).

We have a new AD - Hobbs is here. He knows basketball and can fund raise. Eddie gets fired and paid 70% of what he's owed, like his contract says. We hire a new coach. Not that hard.

 

[RU_DIO]

Not really. Our support for the football program is LIGHT YEARS ahead of basketball, and we still brought in an assistant coach. With basketball, we're lucky if we don't look to the CYO (real CYO, not the Big East) ranks for our next coach. The closest we ever came to a name with our hire was Eddie and we still turned to him after Hurley was convinced we wouldn't support the program the way it had to be done. The same could still happen, especially with having to do a football buyout this year.

We played games with Hill on his firing and had no choice with Rice. Jordan isn't getting fired for cause, so it is possible that Hobbs is forced to let Eddie work out his contract (at least, in the Rutgers basketball universe, it's possible).

You keep a coach even if the record is bad if he has the program pointed in the right direction.

The program is worse off right now with Eddie than it was after the Mike Rice era.

Imagine that.

 

[SAE96]

Me too. Not crazy big, don't get me wrong, but "hire the right guy who will come here and give him enough for an equally good coaching staff, et al..."

I made a post last week with more specificity about what I was told. So far these folks have been correct about Hobbs and RU's committeement to fielding winning programs. I think you're right about the tenor of the conversation.

 

[Mr Magoo]

You keep a coach even if the record is bad if he has the program pointed in the right direction.

The program is worse off right now with Eddie than it was after the Mike Rice era.

Imagine that.

This.

 

[megadrone]

You keep a coach even if the record is bad if he has the program pointed in the right direction.

The program is worse off right now with Eddie than it was after the Mike Rice era.

Imagine that.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that we historically have not supported basketball at all, and our hands may be tied, and admin higher than Hobbs may be satisfied to let Eddie work out his contract.

This is the bizarro world of Rutgers basketball. Rationality and logic doesn't apply here.

 

[bac2therac]

Hobbs is our AD..thats the difference. .we are investing for the first time ever

 

[megadrone]

Hobbs is our AD..thats the difference. .we are investing for the first time ever

While I think you're right, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[bac2therac]

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that we historically have not supported basketball at all, and our hands may be tied, and admin higher than Hobbs may be satisfied to let Eddie work out his contract.

This is the bizarro world of Rutgers basketball. Rationality and logic doesn't apply here.

Hobbs has complete control.thats why he is here

 

[mikefla]

While we won a game today, I agree EJs time is ending
but......ive been around RU for almost 40 years
it would not surprise me if he is kept another year

BUT,,,,you dont FIRE a "Loyal Son"...you relieve him of his duties and thank him for his effort

 

[MADHAT1]

When it came to the Floodies supporting Flood and comparing Kyle's tenure to Eddie's: take into account Flood was let go mainly because of off field problems, including his own, and not because of the product he put on the field.
There is a difference and if the same criteria is used for Jordan, the product off the court wouldn't have the same results and wouldn't cause Eddie to be let go.
It's the product on the court that's more of a problem for Eddie.
Flood's 4-8 wasn't enough to get him fired, Eddie's record is.

 

[bac2therac]

When it came to the Floodies supporting Flood and comparing Kyle's tenure to Eddie's: take into account Flood was let go mainly because of off field problems, including his own, and not because of the product he put on the field.
There is a difference and if the same criteria is used for Jordan, the product off the court wouldn't have the same results and wouldn't cause Eddie to be let go.
It's the product on the court that's more of a problem for Eddie.
Flood's 4-8 wasn't enough to get him fired, Eddie's record is.

Flood would have been fired at 4-8 even without the issues...almost wentvhis 2nd year at 6-6..most including the AD knew he was in over his head

 

[RC85]

You keep a coach even if the record is bad if he has the program pointed in the right direction.

The program is worse off right now with Eddie than it was after the Mike Rice era.

Imagine that.

I could write-off this year given the injuries and suspensions if EJ had some success in his first 2 years with a veteran team of decent talent, especially the first year with JJ Moore transferring in and Seagears returning. Time for a fresh start, again.

 

[jtung230]

I could write-off this year given the injuries and suspensions if EJ had some success in his first 2 years with a veteran team of decent talent, especially the first year with JJ Moore transferring in and Seagears returning. Time for a fresh start, again.

You expect EJ to be successful after the Rice thing? Rice wasn't successful before the Rice thing so why do you think EJ was going to?

 

[RC85]

You expect EJ to be successful after the Rice thing? Rice wasn't successful before the Rice thing so why do you think EJ was going to?

EJ went 12-21 with mostly the core group back that was 15-16 under Rice the previous season. JJ Moore was a good addition for Eddie that year. That 61 pt loss in the conference tournament under Eddie was the worst I can remember seeing a team "play".

Believe me I have been pulling for Eddie since Day 1 (even though I wanted Howland), but I look at the program today, its image and the recruiting class coming in, and feel we need a new guy in charge.

 

[MADHAT1]

Flood would have been fired at 4-8 even without the issues...almost wentvhis 2nd year at 6-6..most including the AD knew he was in over his head

That's your opinion, I have mine.
Flood had an overachieving season in 2014 and shocked many of the so called experts that predicted RU would have a losing season and some claimed it would be real bad.
If he had the 4-8 after his second year, then he would have been gone because of performance.
But , I believe, RU would have given Kyle another year , except for the ( off the field) bad PR the FB program and Kyle personally brought to RU that had Barchi dump him and Julie.

Heck Hobbs might not have been hired if Flood's antics and the( off field) football programs problems didn't make it best , from a PR standpoint )that they both went .
After the way the Rice affair was handled by Barchi and Julie's feud with the media Barchi had very little choice except to try to salvage the damage by getting rid of both for PR purposes.

Jordan will be let go because of the way the RU MBB looks under him and his W-L record.
Not anything else.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I could write-off this year given the injuries and suspensions if EJ had some success in his first 2 years with a veteran team of decent talent, especially the first year with JJ Moore transferring in and Seagears returning. Time for a fresh start, again.

Mike Rice's W-L record was in the Big East when it still was a beast (Syracuse, Pitt). Eddie underperformed in a solid, but certainly not old BE-caliber AAC in 2013-14.

 

[jtung230]

Mike Rice's W-L record was in the Big East when it still was a beast (Syracuse, Pitt). Eddie underperformed in a solid, but certainly not old BE-caliber AAC in 2013-14.

We were in the AAC for 1yr. EJ had 3 less wins than Rice w/o Miller and Carter in that year.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

We were in the AAC for 1yr. EJ had 3 less wins than Rice w/o Miller and Carter in that year.

We won 12 games and 4 or 5 were against UCF and USF.

Floodian.

 

[jtung230]

We won 12 games and 4 or 5 were against UCF and USF.

Floodian.

I forgot, you don't count Ws as wins in your argument.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

I forgot, you don't count Ws as wins in your argument.

Says the guy who wrote we only had "three less wins" than Mike Rice's 12-13 season. C'mon.

Wins count and Jordan hasn't had more than 12.

10 last year.

7 this year.

 

[RC85]

We were in the AAC for 1yr. EJ had 3 less wins than Rice w/o Miller and Carter in that year.

Dane Miller was mostly invisible his last couple years at RU. Carter's a career 30-something% shooter. EJ should've won more games with Jack, Judge, Mack, Seagears (yes he could be a head case but he did want to come back to play at RU) and Moore in the AAC.

 

[jtung230]

Dane Miller was mostly invisible his last couple years at RU. Carter's a career 30-something% shooter. EJ should've won more games with Jack, Judge, Mack, Seagears (yes he could be a head case but he did want to come back to play at RU) and Moore in the AAC.

Carter was so bad he transferred to UF. Miller was the most athletic guy who guarded the best player on the other team. I don't know what to tell you if you thought EJ was going to win after the Rice incident.

 

[MADHAT1]

Dane Miller was mostly invisible his last couple years at RU. Carter's a career 30-something% shooter. EJ should've won more games with Jack, Judge, Mack, Seagears (yes he could be a head case but he did want to come back to play at RU) and Moore.

When you talk about Rice vs Jordan , the edge goes to MR.
But add Freddie to the mix and you'll see Rice's best season was not one bit better than Hill's best[roll]

Which means that Jordan only makes Rice look good and Rice wasn't developing players either.
MR made his bones at RU with players Freddie developed and Jordan has some of Rices players playing better than they did under Mike or about equal.
The only thing my comparison shows, RU hasn't had a good coach since Waters left and Gary really wasn't cut out to coach a in one of the better conferences.
But is and was better than everyone that came after him.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Carter was so bad he transferred to UF. Miller was the most athletic guy who guarded the best player on the other team. I don't know what to tell you if you thought EJ was going to win after the Rice incident.

Then he shouldn't be surprised when we move on. He was a bridge. And we've seen enough of the experiment.

 

[RC85]

When you talk about Rice vs Jordan , the edge goes to MR.
But add Freddie to the mix and you'll see Rice's best season was not one bit better than Hill's best[roll]

Which means that Jordan only makes Rice look good and Rice wasn't developing players either.
MR made his bones at RU with players Freddie developed and Jordan has some of Rices players playing better than they did under Mike or about equal.
The only thing my comparison shows, RU hasn't had a good coach since Waters left and Gary really wasn't cut out to coach a in one of the better conferences.
But is and was better than everyone that came after him.

Rice W-L was .463 overall and .296 in conference at RU, FHJr was .379 and .186, respectively. The stats don''t support your assessment.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Carter was so bad he transferred to UF. Miller was the most athletic guy who guarded the best player on the other team. I don't know what to tell you if you thought EJ was going to win after the Rice incident.

Carter didn't help BC or Florida win many games.

 

[MADHAT1]

Rice W-L was .463 overall and .421 in conference at RU, FHJr .was .379 and .186, respectively. The stats don''t support your assessment.

Best seasons, not career.
Just pointing out Rice was overrated, not trying to make Freddie look like he was a good HC anytime in his RU HCing career.
Hill's last season was 15-17 and Rice never topped that, except his second season had one more conference win than Hill did.
But his other two matched Freddie's last season's 5 conference wins.

 

[RC85]

Carter didn't help BC or Florida win many games.

Right, he was role player at UF, probably would've had a better chance to develop had he stuck it out here.

 

[RC85]

Best seasons, not career.
Just pointing out Rice was overrated, not trying to make Freddie look like he was a good HC anytime in his RU HCing career.
Hill's last season was 15-17 and Rice never topped that, except his second season had one more conference win than Hill did.
But his other two matched Freddie's last season's 5 conference wins.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. KJack's broken foot slowed his development with Rice fwiw.