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[yessir321]

In a game we lost by 6 that our coach also made the decision that with 1:30 in the first half and 3 Timeouts that we were ok to go into halftime down a TD rather than attempt to steal some points before the half…

I get criticized like crazy on this board for calling out Greg Schiano… Ya’ll starting to realize it yet? We should be a 6 win team right now, we lost 2 games this year SOLELY because of coaching. The players are playing their guts out, we have talent. They are unfortunately being led by the blind…. Time to wake up and realize Greg Schiano is holding this team back.

 

[The RUT]

Blah blah blah

 

[yessir321]

Blah blah blah

Blind blind blind

 

[The RUT]

Blind blind blind

No. You are blind.
The team has clearly improved since Greg took over. The talent has clearly improved since Greg took over. Interest in the program has clearly improved since Greg took over.

By most metrics the program and team has improved.

It just hasn’t improved as much as YOU want.

It’s a slow build, Greg isn’t a moron, why do you think he locked up 8 years?

Take a seat buttercup, he ain’t going anywhere.

 

[jtung230]

The penalties have been problematic all seasons. Some of it are absolutely BS calls against us. That PI call that setup the 14-7 lead was so egregious even the B1G analyst called it out.

 

[jtung230]

We should just have AC fair catch KOs. Risk reward is not there. My observation on AC is that he lost the initial step (stop and start). Once he gets going, he still has the speed.

And yes, I hope the TKR jinx works and he returns one next week 😀

 

[yessir321]

No. You are blind.
The team has clearly improved since Greg took over. The talent has clearly improved since Greg took over. Interest in the program has clearly improved since Greg took over.

By most metrics the program and team has improved.

It just hasn’t improved as much as YOU want.

It’s a slow build, Greg isn’t a moron, why do you think he locked up 8 years?

Take a seat buttercup, he ain’t going anywhere.

‘By most metrics the team has improved’.
You are comparing him to the single most incompetent HC in the history of P5 football and rationalizing improvement from that???

wins and losses Rut, 2 games so far that we lost this year NOT because of the players, but because of the coaches…. Point blank

 

[rutgersal]

Gregs actions are inspired by history. In 2005, down by a little before halftime against Louisville, Greg decided to go for the points, rather than go into halftime down by a little. Mike Teel threw a pick 6, and the rest of the game was a rout. And people on this board killed him for it, saying he should have gotten to halftime and regrouped.

So it’s his nature not to be aggressive in that situation.

 

[yessir321]

No. You are blind.
The team has clearly improved since Greg took over. The talent has clearly improved since Greg took over. Interest in the program has clearly improved since Greg took over.

By most metrics the program and team has improved.

It just hasn’t improved as much as YOU want.

It’s a slow build, Greg isn’t a moron, why do you think he locked up 8 years?

Take a seat buttercup, he ain’t going anywhere.

Additionally, the reason it’s 8 years is because Greg strong armed the program. Rutgers was on the verge of losing half their season ticket holders after ash, all Hobbs heard from STH’s was ‘HIRE SCHIANO’. He went with an offer and Greg said ‘not enough guarenteed money’. They wanted to back out at that point but the fanbase started crying from the rafters. The only way to get Greg the guarenteed money he was asking for was to spread it out over 8 years… so if you really wanna know who ‘Screwed’ Rutgers this last coaching search… look no further than Greg schiano. HE is the one who f*caked us over. And why did he? Because our fans let him by thinking of him as a god-like figure.

 

[yessir321]

Gregs actions are inspired by history. In 2005, down by a little before halftime against Louisville, Greg decided to go for the points, rather than go into halftime down by a little. Mike Teel threw a pick 6, and the rest of the game was a rout. And people on this board killed him for it, saying he should have gotten to halftime and regrouped.

So it’s his nature not to be aggressive in that situation.

So if he’s still rationalizing decisions based on what happened in a game 17 years ago does that not sound like a coach who the game has passed by?

 

[rutgersal]

So if he’s still rationalizing decisions based on what happened in a game 17 years ago does that not sound like a coach who the game has passed by?

He’s a coach inspired by experience.

 

[pmvon]

Additionally, the reason it’s 8 years is because Greg strong armed the program. Rutgers was on the verge of losing half their season ticket holders after ash, all Hobbs heard from STH’s was ‘HIRE SCHIANO’. He went with an offer and Greg said ‘not enough guarenteed money’. They wanted to back out at that point but the fanbase started crying from the rafters. The only way to get Greg the guarenteed money he was asking for was to spread it out over 8 years… so if you really wanna know who ‘Screwed’ Rutgers this last coaching search… look no further than Greg schiano. HE is the one who f*caked us over. And why did he? Because our fans let him by thinking of him as a god-like figure.

Lol. Yeah we were in a better situation before Greg? After Greg 1.0? Get a clue. Could it be that he also understands that this is a longer build? No one is coming to RU and rebuilding in 3 years. No one.

 

[yessir321]

I’m curious Al and I genuinely don’t remember, how was our defense playing the first half of that Louisville game? That relevant based on msu going off for nearly 300 offensive yards in just the first half. Based on that a coach should think ‘it’s a miracle we’ve only given up 14, but I can’t keep counting on luck’. When your defense is getting shredded, it’s important to go after the points.

perhaps the game has simply passed him by because in both instances, we lost…

 

[yessir321]

Lol. Yeah we were in a better situation before Greg? After Greg 1.0? Get a clue. Could it be that he also understands that this is a longer build? No one is coming to RU and rebuilding in 3 years. No one.

I disagree, I can give you several, attainable names who would rebuild this team in 3 years. But let the record show yes, we were in a much better situation after Greg 1.0. Though funny how we have fans who forget how he abandoned the program at the last minute, leaving us with only flood to salvage a recruiting class.

what this really boils down to is folks who can’t move past 06’

 

[RUBOB72]

In a game we lost by 6 that our coach also made the decision that with 1:30 in the first half and 3 Timeouts that we were ok to go into halftime down a TD rather than attempt to steal some points before the half…

I get criticized like crazy on this board for calling out Greg Schiano… Ya’ll starting to realize it yet? We should be a 6 win team right now, we lost 2 games this year SOLELY because of coaching. The players are playing their guts out, we have talent. They are unfortunately being led by the blind…. Time to wake up and realize Greg Schiano is holding this team back.

We lost two of those games because A ) we committed too many penalties and turnovers B) we had no fully healthy QB’s C) we had an OC who began to play scared. Yes we do have talent but not yet equal to our top opponents.The players are playing their hearts out and contrary to board opinions seem to believe in Schiano. I have said many times Greg Schiano is not a great x’ and o’s guy however his teams show a propensity to evolve over time. He has his warts but do not sell him short. The problem is with no O line and no QB and no receivers group we coming into 2022 were still undermanned. Too many of this board forget or never understood how difficult coming into this conference was going to be. Schiano knows . I still support the scrum play until the final whistle. If yesterday was more than a TD separation between the two teams then I don’t believe Greg calls that play. He explained quite well how we lost Jennings, Konga and several others early on for this team that is a recipe for disaster. Y’all need to understand who is actually holding this team back.

 

[jtung230]

I disagree, I can give you several, attainable names who would rebuild this team in 3 years.

what this really boils down to is folks who can’t move past 06’

Everyone thinks they know football. A lot of fans were sure Hafley was the better choice too.

 

[rutgersal]

I disagree, I can give you several, attainable names who would rebuild this team in 3 years.

what this really boils down to is folks who can’t move past 06’

Most people believed that this build would take at least 5 years, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he got the full 8. This is what we wanted and this is what we’re getting. In this situation, you evaluate things after year 5. But I believe that sufficient progress has been made to date, to think he will get the full 8. Get a few more impact WRs and impact tight ends, and we’re good to go.

 

[yessir321]

We lost two of those games because A ) we committed too many penalties and turnovers B) we had no fully healthy QB’s C) we had an OC who began to play scared. Yes we do have talent but not yet equal to our top opponents.The players are playing their hearts out and contrary to board opinions seem to believe in Schiano. I have said many times Greg Schiano is not a great x’ and o’s guy however his teams show a propensity to evolve over time. He has his warts but do not sell him short. The problem is with no O line and no QB and no receivers group we coming into 2022 were still undermanned. Too many of this board forget or never understood how difficult coming into this conference was going to be. Schiano knows . I still support the scrum play until the final whistle. If yesterday was more than a TD separation between the two teams then I don’t believe Greg calls that play. He explained quite well how we lost Jennings, Konga and several others early on for this team that is a recipe for disaster. Y’all need to understand who is actually holding this team back.

What’s holding this team back is a coach who is making excuses for not having guys rather than embracing a ‘next man up’ philosophy. Find me another coach in cfb who blamed his teams losses on not having certain guys…. You won’t

 

[yessir321]

Everyone thinks they know football. A lot of fans were sure Hafley was the better choice too.

I never suggested Hafley, I’m well documented on this board for my admiration of specifically Mike Houston

 

[jtung230]

I never suggested Hadley, I’m well documented on this board for my admiration of specifically Mike Houston

he is 20-23 in a weak AAC conference. How is he going to cut it at B1G East? He is having a decent year but not sure why he stands out in your book. How were his recruiting classes at ECU?

 

[RU#1fan]

Poor Coaching.
No focus by the HC on fixing the ongoing on field discipline problems.
Just shakes his head on the sidelines.
Rutgers is the most penalized team in the B1G and among the top 5 most Penalized teams in all CFB.

 

[RUBOB72]

I think Schiano has admitted this fact. I believe he said something along those lines in his postgame presser.

 

[yessir321]

he is 20-23 in a weak AAC conference. How is he going to cut it at B1G East? He is having a decent year but not sure why he stands out in your book. How were his recruiting classes at ECU?

He inherited a program that was 9-27 in the 3 seasons prior to his hire. The AAC is arguably the strongest non P-5 conference in the nation. Even the games his teams have lost the last couple years they’ve fought to the bitter end. Now in his 4th season, ECU is headed for their second consecutive bowl game. Prior to ECU he won a NC with JMU, prior to that he turned around 2 other programs as a HC. All as a HC! That’s the single most important ingredient

 

[jtung230]

He inherited a program that was 9-27 in the 3 seasons prior to his hire. The AAC is arguably the strongest non P-5 conference in the nation. Even the games his teams have lost the last couple years they’ve fought to the bitter end. Now in his 4th season, ECU is headed for their second consecutive bowl game. Prior to ECU he won a NC with JMU, prior to that he turned around 2 other programs as a HC. All as a HC! That’s the single most important ingredient

Best of non-P5 vs best of P5 is a big difference. He definitely made each of the teams better but not dramatically. His biggest red flag is recruiting.

 

[yessir321]

Best of non-P5 vs best of P5 is a big difference. He definitely made each of the teams better but not dramatically. His biggest red flag is recruiting.

I understand this, I also understand we aren't going to be able to attract a "Big Name" ESTABLISHED Head Coach who other P5 schools will also be targeting. It's a sad reality but its true. Thus we have to look deep. I also think it's critical in our next hire to go after someone who is currently a HC, and understands and has shown success at running an entire program. We can't go the flashy coordinater route again. That's a tough list to find someone from but houston fits the bill

As for recruiting, what are you're expectations for an AAC team? very honestly the 23' ECU recruiting class is pretty close to Rutgers 2023 Class in terms of Rankings (rutgers is 51, ECU 67) while doing this in the AAC, again, inheriting a program that went 3-9 for 3 straight years prior to his arrival. Heck they have a receiver committed who is ranked higher than any incoming recruit in the 23' Rutgers Class... We could probably use that guy! lol

 

[jtung230]

I understand this, I also understand we aren't going to be able to attract a "Big Name" ESTABLISHED Head Coach who other P5 schools will also be targeting. It's a sad reality but its true. Thus we have to look deep. I also think it's critical in our next hire to go after someone who is currently a HC, and understands and has shown success at running an entire program. We can't go the flashy coordinater route again. That's a tough list to find someone from but houston fits the bill

As for recruiting, what are you're expectations for an AAC team? very honestly the 23' ECU recruiting class is pretty close to Rutgers 2023 Class in terms of Rankings (rutgers is 51, ECU 67) while doing this in the AAC, again, inheriting a program that went 3-9 for 3 straight years prior to his arrival. Heck they have a receiver committed who is ranked higher than any incoming recruit in the 23' Rutgers Class... We could probably use that guy! lol

No sympathy for taking over a 3-9 program. Nothing is worst then taking over Ash’a dumpster fire. His recruiting classes is consistently bad. Now if he can bring a stud QB with him, then I’m on board.

 

[yessir321]

No sympathy for taking over a 3-9 program. Nothing is worst then taking over Ash’a dumpster fire. His recruiting classes is consistently bad. Now if he can bring a stud QB with him, then I’m on board.

I'm not sure how you can call his recruiting classes bad. He hasn't coached in the P-5, it's a different type of recruit they target. TBH though just for some comparison to a more well known non P-5 program, ECU currently has a higher ranked 23' recruiting class than Boise state

I actually think we have a potential stud QB in gavin. I just don't have faith in our current coaches to maximize that potential. The right OC hire would go a long way

 

[jtung230]

I'm not sure how you can call his recruiting classes bad. He hasn't coached in the P-5, it's a different type of recruit they target. TBH though just for some comparison to a more well known non P-5 program, ECU currently has a higher ranked 23' recruiting class than Boise state

I actually think we have a potential stud QB in gavin. I just don't have faith in our current coaches to maximize that potential. The right OC hire would go a long way

His last 3 classes were 74, 98 and 85

 

[yellowlot]

In a game we lost by 6 that our coach also made the decision that with 1:30 in the first half and 3 Timeouts that we were ok to go into halftime down a TD rather than attempt to steal some points before the half…

I get criticized like crazy on this board for calling out Greg Schiano… Ya’ll starting to realize it yet? We should be a 6 win team right now, we lost 2 games this year SOLELY because of coaching. The players are playing their guts out, we have talent. They are unfortunately being led by the blind…. Time to wake up and realize Greg Schiano is holding this team back.

Hey I am big GS fan, but he was badly outcoached yesterdayday.....14 penalties inexcusable....time mgmt at end of first half....terrible. I don't think GS knew Aaron got that first down on other sideline, probably will never admit it publicly. Whatever Johnny was trying to do at goaline on jump pass?....crazy. Our punter is something....FULL STOP. But are specials have not been a positive, especially return game. Cruickshank has had a quiet year, and seems to be an adventure at times catching the ball.

 

[rudad02]

Terribly coached football team.

 

[jtung230]

Hey I am big GS fan, but he was badly outcoached yesterdayday.....14 penalties inexcusable....time mgmt at end of first half....terrible. I don't think GS knew Aaron got that first down on other sideline, probably will never admit it publicly. Whatever Johnny was trying to do at goaline on jump pass?....crazy. Our punter is something....FULL STOP. But are specials have not been a positive, especially return game. Cruickshank has had a quiet year, and seems to be an adventure at times catching the ball.

I agree about not knowing we got the 1st down because he was talking to the punter. GS spends way too much time talking to our punter.

 

[yessir321]

His last 3 classes were 74, 98 and 85

He's at a non P-5 program.... There are 69 <nice> programs in the P-5. You cannot possibly knock a non P-5 coach for his recruiting rankings in comparison to other P-5 schools. That's just silly, and looking for a reason to hate

 

[jtung230]

He's at a non P-5 program.... There are 69 <nice> programs in the P-5. You cannot possibly knock a non P-5 coach for his recruiting rankings in comparison to other P-5 schools. That's just silly, and looking for a reason to hate

Last 3 recruiting classes ranked 6, 8 and 7 in AAC . Middle of the pack against peers. I don’t think he has any recruiting ties in NJ.

 

[yessir321]

Last 3 recruiting classes ranked 6, 8 and 7 in AAC . Middle of the pack against peers. I don’t think he has any recruiting ties in NJ.

oh plenty of recruiting ties particularly from his time with JMU. had kids from Don Bosco, Bergen, St Peter's, and Seton Hall on those teams.

We're never going to recruit higher than #6-8 in our conference either regardless of coach. We don't have to, it's been proven you can win in this conference with #6-8 ranked recruiting classes.

 

[jtung230]

oh plenty of recruiting ties particularly from his time with JMU. had kids from Don Bosco, Bergen, St Peter's, and Seton Hall on those teams.

We're never going to recruit higher than #6-8 in our conference either regardless of coach. We don't have to, it's been proven you can win in this conference with #6-8 ranked recruiting classes.

1 Jersey kid in the last 3 years. He does have the VA ties thanks to JMU. He is a good coach but not sure it’s the right fit. If he is as good as advertised, should get a chance at ACC.

 

[newwavedave1]

Not sure if Wimsatt is the answer at QB or Schiano at HC. They both make the same mistakes over and over. Wimsatt too many high throws and Schiano too many bad decisions.

 

[brgRC90]

The penalties baffle me because one area Schiano often WAS good at was minimizing penalties.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Poor Coaching.
No focus by the HC on fixing the ongoing on field discipline problems.
Just shakes his head on the sidelines.
Rutgers is the most penalized team in the B1G and among the top 5 most Penalized teams in all CFB.

awful stat to have and it's all coaching.

 

[brgRC90]

awful stat to have and it's all coaching.

Well, you know, Schiano inherited the worst talent in the P5 so 3 years later he can't be expected to have them committing only a few penalties. Only after 5 years can he be expected to have improved the situation.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Well, you know, Schiano inherited the worst talent in the P5 so 3 years later he can't be expected to have them committing only a few penalties. Only after 5 years can he be expected to have improved the situation.

haha right!!!!!

I want him to succeed but he's just not a good head football coach. He'd be a great AD but his ability to use the talent he has and manage a game are average and we need better.